Lyon attack: Orthodox priest wounded in shooting
Police detain a suspect who resembles witness descriptions of the gunman.
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France is not having a good week
France - Lyon attack: 'Orthodox priest wounded in shooting'
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France is not having a good week
Where have you been the last two weeksWhat is even going on over there that's causing all these seemingly random acts of violence?
Radical Islamists got their knickers in a twist after the teacher that got killed used Muhammad caricatures during his class on freedom of speech, he got killed, Macron declared France is under attack, radical Islamists got even more bees in their bonnet and attacked people in Nice, Erdogan is now rattling the sabers and fuelling the conspiracy theories of a culture war between France/the West and Islam, and here we go. There's gonna be more of this coming.What is even going on over there that's causing all these seemingly random acts of violence?
Honestly, I’m just really fucking tired at this point, with this wave of attacks coming on top of every thing else going on.
And I’m gonna be honest : this forum hasn’t been a good place to feel better about any of it.
And I’m gonna be honest : this forum hasn’t been a good place to feel better about any of it.
In places with strict gun control, but lots of hunting weapons this is semi-common.
What is even going on over there that's causing all these seemingly random acts of violence?
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For f*cks sake... again ?
Hopefully he will manage to pull through...
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Hopefully he will manage to pull through...
Some additional details here
https://translate.google.com/transl...hodoxi-ekklisia-sti-luon-traumatias-o-iereas/
Uhh, nah. Religions aren't bad on their own. Shitty people just use it as justification for their own shitty actions, just like anything else.
This is coming from an atheist btw
They aren't allowed to vote in Middle Eastern elections anyway so they don't matter to dictators like Erdogan. So first action should be to disallow non-EU politicians like Erdogan to campaign in the EU.
2020 is fucked up. Erdogan is stocking his base , who are bitter with how the colonial powers drew lines across maps and those who wish for the return of a United Emprire of Faith with him as the caliph. Won’t work.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
Except for all those lines in those holy books that say kill those people and that if you don't accept what they say you will suffer for eternity. That's like, the biggest threat anyone in the world could ever make: suffer for eternity!
End privileges given to superstitions.
How do you seriously believe this? Religions TELL people the only way to salvation is to follow them. They do mental gymnastics to pretend their holy book is perfect, holy, divine, or otherwise free of moral fault. How can you seriously think religions don't build into them a justification for the shitty actions of people?
Moderates love to pretend extremists aren't their problem. Yet its moderates that believe In bullshit about their religion holding a monopoly of morality and bullshit about their holy books being divine. It's no surprise when an extremist takes these "normal" beliefs further.
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Religion isn't like anything else, Religion has privileges nothing else has.
I'd like to know this too. Not to downplay what has happened here at all, I don't condone this violence in the slightest.
Where does it say to kill people? This just seems like hidden Islamophobia.
you really bought into the whole thing with religions being inherently peaceful i guess.
You don't have to look far to find many questionable and many downright evil things religions demand of their followers
calling this Islamophobia is downright comical
You know, I’m all for dunking on religions or whatever, but it’s absolutely tone deaf, to be generous, to come into a thread about a priest who just got shot and yell for the fifteenth time in a week “all religions are bad”.
Read the fucking room, you’re not helping anyone.
Read the fucking room, you’re not helping anyone.
Haven't read the Quran so I can't speak on Islam but the amount of violent shit in the Old Testament is shocking.
Religious texts are incredibly outdated and out of touch with modern-day reality and we need to stop giving them so much importance (and that includes religious people) - I care a lot fucking more about human rights than not offending some religious people.
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I'm guessing you wouldn't have said the same if the complaint had been directed specifically at Islam, because then it would have been "topical"?
The reason this attack happened, like the others, is due to superstitious beliefs. Today it's a priest that god killed, could be anyone, such as a teacher. People have a right to not want to live in fear of being randomly attacked because we have given so much tolerance to institutions that promote superstition.
We throw statues in the rivers because they're associated with slavery, but we build whole institutions dedicated to books preaching in favor genocidal figures and bigots. Hypocrisy.
how is this any different to the people who go into a school shooting thread to call for a gun law change.
Addressing the issue that lead to these murders this week is not the problem. It's like people love to deflect when it comes to religious terrorism, because there are bigoted people that use these issues to further their hate.
Some of you read like Fox News saying "now is not the time to talk about gun change, lets say a prayer and send well wishes" when innocent children were murdered in schools
You know that people spend a lot of time writing and debating how to interpret religious books and tenets, right? Especially in Islam? And that at least in Christianity, there are people who debate the validity of the Bible, since it was written by humans? This is a misstep.
All religions are bad. Other toxic conservative organizations don’t get the same concessions religions do.
If most religions were YouTube channels or twitter accounts, I’m pretty sure they’d be banned here.
If most religions were YouTube channels or twitter accounts, I’m pretty sure they’d be banned here.
Of course I am aware of that. What does that have to do with how a majority of people believe in these texts being inerrant, divine, or accurate examples of living life morally?
When is an appropriate time to talk about how religions themselves contribute to justifications of religious extremism? Why is criticism of religions as one of the root causes of extremism not an appropriate topic and why do you get to decide who does and doesn't get to contribute to the discussion?
Why does that matter? Flat earthers debate with each other about whether there really is a wall of ice around the world or not. Can we not give privileges to the promotion of superstitious beliefs? It is this tolerance for institutions of superstition that has led to incessant climate change denial, something that could destroy civilization.
"And I establish My covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
At some point, society has to put the toys back in in the toy box and grow up.
Thank you for saying that. I am Catholic and I hate it when people use religion for justification. Most religions doing embrace hateful actions.
Forum been showing its ass over what's been happening in France this past week. Does not feel welcome to somebody with a Muslim background and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way
That's another issue. I'm pretty sure we have a ton of religious people on this forum. Shouldn't we make this forum as welcoming as possible? Especially since, you know, most religious people aren't assholes?
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Politics. Politicians like Erdogan are the biggest hypocrites on the planet, he wants to be on China's good side so he not only keeps quite, but extradites the Uighurs back to china. But over this he likes to act like he is a 21st century Caliph and leader of the Muslim Ummah.
He did the same shit when the UAE started diplomatic ties with Israel. He all but called them traitors, even though not only was was Turkey the fitst Muslim majority country to recognize Israel, it also has strong economic ties and is one of their biggest importers, they have joint military excercises together.
I don't think I've ever felt welcome here.
Kyrie eleison. Hoping he pulls through.
I'm Orthodox *and* my family is Muslim and I'm the grandson of immigrants. So I get to be anxious both about the priest's well being and the countless people who have decided the assailant has to be a Muslim immigrant... Plus the courageous takes I've been seeing about Islam and Christianity have been a bit too rich for me. (I don't mean on Era)
I'm Orthodox *and* my family is Muslim and I'm the grandson of immigrants. So I get to be anxious both about the priest's well being and the countless people who have decided the assailant has to be a Muslim immigrant... Plus the courageous takes I've been seeing about Islam and Christianity have been a bit too rich for me. (I don't mean on Era)
Thank you.
Yeah the thinly veiled islamaphobia is disappointing (generalisations of community intent). This is again, horrifying news, hope the Priest pulls though, and everyone unites in tackling this form of evil.
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Or in regards to the Saudis bombing the fuck out of the Yemeni people, and creating the worst humanitarian crises on the planet. The lives of those Muslims means nothing. People are being wholesale killed and starved out of existence by the thousands, but it’s words and cartoons that have some of the people of these nations enraged. I’m pretty sure the prophet would have been more moved by what’s happening to his followers than what certain people say about him, as it was the case when he himself would be verbally and/or physically attacked.
Well, looks like we know the motive now.
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The priest recovered from his coma earlier this week, apparently
At first they believed it was a rival priest or some beef like that, and the motive only got wilder, while the priest insisted it couldn’t be terrorism or anything like that.