No, it's "hit up the parts of medical providers that are specifically tailored to help with this stuff". That is not "gofundme."
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France : "yellow vests" protest movement is causing political instability
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Didn't Macron announce (and start implementing) smaller class sizes as part of his program? I'm confused because the Gilets Jaunes appear to be demanding that on top of the other stuff.
Curious to see what he announces.
so did we really just spend an entire page discussing american health insurance and its Various Flaws because someone mentioned the ACA as part of a general point about tax freakouts
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Econ 101 people ITT: did they teach you about price elasticity of demand in these classes or did you all fall asleep for that one?
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=19191
https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-5/mobile/using-gasoline-data-to-explain-inelasticity.htm
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140988307001144
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=19191
https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-5/mobile/using-gasoline-data-to-explain-inelasticity.htm
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140988307001144
Far as i know he seeks to raise the retirement age to that of 64 or so, on equal terms with most other European countries. Like he's actually enacting what he said he would and people ain't too happy with that. It's gonna play France straight into disgusting people like Marine Le Pen, and if that happens then the EU is done.
There was more to this besides the Tax, ultimately it was just the straw that broke the back.
This shouldn't be used as an example of stuff like carbon taxes are bad, more so in a bad way of doing it since the tax is not equal. So far the tax hurts those whom emit the least and have the least impact while giving them the most of the burdon while larger emitters and wealthier off people whom emit more aren't as effected (not even adding in businesses).
Basically Carbon taxes aren't bad, no one in this thread has ever argued it is, but taxes like this should do more: higher emitters should be taxed more which is basically what people are saying when they critique the tax.
public transport should be heavily funded and strengthened (from what I understand the weakening of Public transport in France didn't start with Macron it was the president before and I don't think he has done much with it but should).
Cause other places like Canada have introduced such things (if I remember right) recently and haven't gotten protest like these.
This shouldn't be used as an example of stuff like carbon taxes are bad, more so in a bad way of doing it since the tax is not equal. So far the tax hurts those whom emit the least and have the least impact while giving them the most of the burdon while larger emitters and wealthier off people whom emit more aren't as effected (not even adding in businesses).
Basically Carbon taxes aren't bad, no one in this thread has ever argued it is, but taxes like this should do more: higher emitters should be taxed more which is basically what people are saying when they critique the tax.
public transport should be heavily funded and strengthened (from what I understand the weakening of Public transport in France didn't start with Macron it was the president before and I don't think he has done much with it but should).
Cause other places like Canada have introduced such things (if I remember right) recently and haven't gotten protest like these.
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He's planning to do a lot of stuff that make people angry :
Under investment in school system
A unemployment system reform that is shaping up to be gloomy as hell (totally destroying to almost nothing unemployment allocations)
Harming a lot retirement system and pushing for something à la US system
From the top of my mind
Edit : tomorrow high schools will be the thing to watch. Nobody really knows how this aspect of the movement will go on.
I find this to be a great response considering "centrism" is an OG phrase used by the parts of the left to handwave away criticism.
Canada's introducing a rebate to taxpayers funded by the tax to offset the costs for most households.
Macron didn't.
You should quote the policies instead of writing what you think that you know about them.
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I'm on my phone right now.
And some details about unemployment for example aren't public yet, just projects known by the unions who are going to negociate the deal. Some people I know are from these unions.
My wife is a teacher, she knows a lot about under investment in public school.
And you don't need to be so agressive, thanks
Which is dumb he didn't do something like this, again no one critique this tax is saying there shouldn't be a carbon/gas tax or whatever.
Just that its a bad tax and should have done more like what Canada is doing and tax higher emitters more.
Honestly have a dividend system.
Point I was making is that your alternative suggestion would have a similar effect on the lower class by raising fuel prices. It's not really actually a viable alternative if the goal is not to raise cost of living. Even policies like cap and trade/carbon tax have flow on effects on fuel/energy prices so they should be forgotten about as well. What you're left with is things like subsidies to EV manufacturers or buyers, exemptions from this tax based on income and (in the long term) better urban planning. I'm am not sure of the effectiveness of these policies on curbing emissions in the short term. These policies require repriotising budget spending and looking at other forms of tax revenue which do not affect lower income earners (directly or through flow on effects). Certainly something to consider but would require a radical rethinking of the budget (with dramatic and perhaps unknown effects on the economy). Simple exemptions and rebates are probably acheivable though.
Genuine question, why can't you just place price controls on fuel, like rent control but for transportation?
Feel free to respond to me in a PM after this, since I don't want to derail this thread with US politics, but an example would be when I criticized Jobs For All (endorsed by AOC and Bernie) in an earlier thread as inefficient and unworkable, and said that it was just an inferior, populist version of UBI (which I wholeheartedly support as one of the progressive solutions to inequality). And I had responses that UBI is just a centrist policy meant to co-opt socialism(?????)
While I'm sure a communist would prefer Jobs For All since it would be a step toward a command economy, denouncing anyone to the right of communism as a centrist would be handwaving criticism in my opinion.
There's actually a fuel voucher coming. It's not much (20€ a month was the amount floated around) and there are conditions (30km from home to work and less than twice the minimum wage). I don't know whether its value offsets the tax increase itself in a median case, but the right wanted to do the same thing at 100€ a month.
There's already an all-purpose voucher in place for heating and power, which they're expanding.
I honestly don't know about the specific values of these parameters, but the way these are built looks sound at least. The biggest issue with a tax rebate is that the most in need don't pay national taxes in the first place.
(Taken from here: https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeur...vernement-veut-ameliorer_5383440_4355770.html )
57% of french households don't pay taxes on their revenue, though.
Hard to offer a rebate on something most people don't pay...
Sorry i wish you america left stop trying to compare from European working class to American working class we're totally different.
Yes, the European ~~~white working class~~~ has been so welcoming of immigrants and refugees.
It's not me who hates white working class. Why don't you nuke rest of Europe get rid of white people if you hated us so much?. Only a minorities of white people hasn't been welcomed of refugees
Careful you're gonna burst their bubble
I wish there were counter protests to the ones we had, just re using far right trash's favorite slogan against immigrants/poc in general
"Love France or leave it"
This isn't true at all.
There was a poll last week in France that said that 80% of people didn't want anymore immigrants and 50% thought there were already too many of them.
Also:
https://voxeu.org/article/misperceptions-about-immigration-and-support-redistribution
If this was true then le pen would be surge in the polls at the moment. which she only getting 20%
If this was true then le pen would be surge in the polls at the moment. which she only getting 20%
Because Macron's already signed stricter immigration laws and DLF/RN are pulling another 15-20% of the vote. LePen is just more openly racist about it.
He did, but only for primary classes, and in priority for poorer districts. But the Gilets Jaunes ask for more, everywhere, and right now, without considering the feasability of it.
It's like their claim "no more homeless people !", it was actually part of Macron's own program, and he did raise the funds to build more shelters and social homes, but some people won't be pleased until all problems are entirely solved (at no cost for them, of course).
What a dickish response.
My wife's safety isn't an "inconvenience" you fucking prick.
Nuke "the rest" of Europe? What parts were nuked already?
And honey, I guarantee you my skin is as white or moreso than yours. It doesn't change the fact that a shitton of white people are racist and xenophobic regardless of country and seek to use political power to hurt minorities.
Do I have to get a Goldman Sachs tattoo on my ass now?
My bad. I read perturbance on the likelihood of canceling that vacation due to safety.
Your the one who being xenophobic to Europeans. Don't give shit to us when The US government has been at war for 93% of its entire history. An excellent grade for evil.
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20% isn't marginal at all, and LR is running on the same kind of xenophobic tripe, so that's really 32% of people comfortable with that. Add the smaller parties like DLF (6%), Philippot and Asselineau, and you're up to 39% supporting openly xenophobic platforms. So yeah, we have an issue.If this was true then le pen would be surge in the polls at the moment. which she only getting 20%
If this was true then le pen would be surge in the polls at the moment. which she only getting 20%
Even if most don't want immigrants, it doesn't mean most are willing to vote solely on that point.
I wonder if something similar will happen in the US once President O'Rouke ends up being yet another boring liberalist.
Fixing the price of fuel too low will not help in reducing its consumption and fixing it too high would have similar effects to this tax. But let's say some price is determined, it still is difficult to actually uphold as France is a price taker (being a net importer of crude oil by a massive margin) and oil prices tend to be volatile. When prices rise above the set price, I imagine the volume of imports will drop creating shortages.
Excuse me? Xenophobia means hatred and distrust of foreigners. I have no issue with Europeans (or Africans or Asians or South Americans or Australians or) who immigrate to the United States. I was saying, and truthfully, that a lot of the white people in Europe have behaved horribly toward immigrants and refugees. That's why you have the ghettoes in France and Denmark; white people consign them there so they won't have to look at them. That's why you have higher unemployment among immigrants; their resumes get thrown in the trash if their names sound "strange." That's why many of them struggle to integrate and learn the language; they aren't allowed to and don't feel welcomed.
I think immigration is one of the best things a country can do, morally and economically, and I believe that immigrants should be welcomed as neighbors, given every opportunity to integrate and succeed, and treated as Americans the moment they come here, no matter how much paperwork they have or don't have.
If I were French, I'd feel the same way because I'm not a douche who acts as though the ~~~white working class~~~ is anything but what they are.
So unlike Europe, which is world renowned for it's long history of peace between countries within its continent and with other nations across the globe.
it will never, ever stop being funny that less than a year and a half ago, prominent elite Democrats were gushing about Macron and hailing him as a model for the party to emulate
Which Democrats?
I remember some pundits - especially ones that thought he would challenge the status quo - were bullish on him but that's about it.
I mean they probably still like Macron and will blame the protests on nebulous "populism".