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Freedom of speech debate heats up in France after death threats to 16-year-old girl who called Islam "religion of hate"
- Thread starter DiipuSurotu
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All religions are blaphamous against each other but the Religious Cartel only go after the weak instead.
Way to prove her right you cunts.
Way to prove her right you cunts.
As a gay man, that's always how it works - people can criticize you on the basis of their religious beliefs, if you respond that the religion is horseshit you are labeled the bigot. Happens with any religion btw.
Oh, she is one of those people.
I have no doubt that her intentions are pure and there is nothing more to this story.
Pêches congelées!
Anyone who cries about blasphemy deserves to get their religion mocked. Normalizing ideas of blasphemy shouldn't be tolerated. Got to love it when religious people dish it out but can never take it back.
You're missing the response from a high ranking member of the French council for Islam (CFCM), who basically said she got what she deserved (regarding death threats) , 'he who sows the wind reaps the whirlwind'. Luckily the head guy disavowed those statements later on.
Couldn't she have called out the commenter without calling out the whole religion? I feel that most Southern Baptists are bigots, but I don't think it's inherently a bigoted religion, it's just being misused as cover to push individual agendas.
Yes, one of "those people" who won't put up with being harassed because of their sexual orientation. It must be difficult for you to handle being around "those people" because they won't just take it.
The person who harrassed her because of her being LGBTQ said it was because of his religion. Calling out said religion doesn't seem odd as a response.
If someone is just harassing people because they are religious, they're a hateful asshole. But that's a bit different than what was presented in the OP.
Actually what's weird is how we neuter our own posts by giving out about religion when it's one speciific religion in this case.
Which is what I did above. I didn't call out Islam even though that is the problem here because I've been conditioned not to.
Because if I do, I'll be called racist, or asked why I don't attack Christianity, and then have some long drawn out argument over that. Or at least that's the fear.
Which is exactly what the Catholic Church defenders do when you talk about their fucked up behavior and there's plenty fucking of it.
Ahhh! Religion is a pox.
Here in Québec we had a ton of racists and right wingers poorly make this argument aswell when defending law 21, didn't expect to see it here on Era.
Thinking racism only exists in terms skin color or ethnicity isn't an accurate description of what racism is, or how it affects groups of people.
Anti-Muslism prejudice is at an all time high everywhere in the west, I recognize this argument for what it is.
Getting hate aimed at you isn't an excuse to say vile shit about an entire religion, even less to go on national television to do so. The Right always use LGBTQ people as props to shit on Islam, seeing this girl go on the news must have made them so fucking hard.
No I'm not? Can you quote me the part I am misreading? her quote is pretty clear on this
I can definitely imagine where this can get dicey, as many Islamophobes conflate the worst abuses of sharia law to the entire religion and its followers and defend it under the guise of criticizing big religion. Had she referred to it as a "death cult", something I have personally heard several a conservative American say, then I imagine she'd be receiving far less sympathy.
All of that said, she is clearly not the main instigator, nothing justifies homophobia thrown anyone's way, and no religion is beyond reproach.
All of that said, she is clearly not the main instigator, nothing justifies homophobia thrown anyone's way, and no religion is beyond reproach.
Pretty pathetic to see people on ERA defending a statement that is raising my eyebrow regarding "free speech." Hell, I have relatives in France and Quebec and I've seen enough prejudice and racism spoken by people. Religion is a large part of it as well. Hell, I can't even believe I am speaking on behalf of religious beliefs given my own views on all religions.
What do you think the Catholic Church is?
It's literally about a person who resurrects and promises eternal life.
I've had people in Quebec tell me that they don't hate Africans or Haitians, but our culture was violent. Like that statement isn't racist in itself. As I told that lady, casse-toi.
Of course.
There are lots of idiots online. For her to jump from an idiot insulting her to her insulting a religion followed by over a billion people with billion different expressions of said religion is even more idiotic than the idiot who insulted her.
Is obsession with the afterlife the same as death? Also don't Death Cults usually revolve around... Like dying?
Is there really a discussion here? When she's saying
it's pretty obvious she's racist. What she said was clearly racist and deeply offensive. Sure she was a victim of hate speech, but that doesn't justify anything.
....I sincerely hope you know what I am referring to in regards to Islam and are just making a tangential point. Because that comes off as extremely insulting otherwise.
Okay like 1) she's being stupid about Islam and pushing that racist narrative.
2) you're not helping your case by death threatening her for calling your religion hateful =_=
Everyone is being fucking stupid
2) you're not helping your case by death threatening her for calling your religion hateful =_=
Everyone is being fucking stupid
You're letting your biases cloud your judgement. I doubt a 16 year old french girl takes talking points from Fox News on how to dog whistle.
You know, Fox News isn't the only place that harbors racism and dog whistles.
This is a twisted definition of racism that basically makes it impossible to criticize Islam without being labelled a racist.
If someone calls you a "dirty lesbian" because their religion teaches them that it's a crime against nature, then that is actually a pretty good reason to call out the religion for being hateful and backward. And it's only one of a long list of issues it's hate filled and backward about. Maybe I'd have more sympathy if it wasn't also violently sexist.
"How dare you call my religion a religion of hate! I'm going to murder you!"
100% predictable, but... sigh.
100% predictable, but... sigh.
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Psst: the US didn't invent those things and the right everywhere are using the same tactics.
To assume otherwise is painfully naive.
Oh no, think of the poor white people who just want to criticize Islam in good faith :(
"I want to blaspheme against these people specifically, please ignore any social context that can paint this in any other light than a pure freeze peach issue please"
Psst: the US didn't invent those things and the right everywhere are using the same tactics.
To assume otherwise is painfully naive.
Oh no, think of the poor white people who just want to criticize Islam in good faith :(
"I want to blaspheme against these people specifically, please ignore any social context that can paint this in any other light than a pure freeze peach issue please"
The parts of Islam that restrict the rights of women and actively harm members of the LGBTQ community suck shit and should be challenged.
Wow I did it without being racist.
If someone says "I'm muslim and being gay is wrong," your response shouldn't be "muslims are intolerant," it should be "you are homophobic, and shame on you for using your religion to justify your personal beliefs."
Just in France, or do you mean elsewhere too? Religion is definitely a protected class in the US but I don't know how France handles protections like that.
Islam is an ideology, not a race. Ideologies have no rights.
Also, Islam (as well as other Abrahamic religions) has some serious issues with LBGT rights. It's not exactly surprising for a LBGT person to look upon said religions very negatively, especially when openly attacked by someone who identify as a believer of such religions.