Discussion in 'EtcetEra' started by Birdseye, Jan 9, 2018.
Traditions die hard.
Shit, talk about misreading the room.
Hollywood execs firing up the jets and moving vans, and are headed to France.
Fair opinion I guess. It has become a guilty when accused situation since Harvey
I think she raises some decent points in the article. Especially about the reaction from the extremes as a result from this movement. But that's not really a reason to criticize the movement. It's not the movement's fault that there are chauvinistic aholes out there.
And I think painting the movement as attacking men who are just hitting on women is stretching to the point of absurdity.
Fuck off catherine
“You scratch my back, I’ll keep mum about that girl who drowned at your pool party.”
Don't know about France, but in the UK any person in a position of authority at a workplace doing any of the things they suggest, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah us women should know their place as sex objectives that are free to objectify, wanted or not!
What? Fucking old rich people.
Also that desperate clinging to machismo attitudes sounds like your typical red pill bullshit.
The benefits of the campaign outweigh the negatives. Also, they can be fine with sexism and “gallantry” (machismo that has no place in 2018). Doesn’t mean the rest of us have to be.
Welp way to miss the point
Weinstein is like the total opposite of gallantry. He pretty much used his power to exert his will on women who were vulnerable
This thread will be great to see which posters will actually read the article and the letter (or a translation of it) and which ones only read the headline
protip: the letter is about how wrong it is to call women who knew "but didn't talk", or those who didnt call out in the medias the abusers, traitors or complicit of the sexual abuse. The letter mentions SEVERAL TIMES how awful and dreadful Weinsteins and others are.
I 100% agree with her remark on clumsy flirting. As someone who has ALWAYS had problems with flirting and everything that goes with it I agree with that part.
The rest? Its hit or miss with me.
I want to believe and listen to women but I also think it's not always so black and white.
Shit like this is why the French love Polanski so much.
Given the American attitude of puritanism, and the left's reliance on members of certain teams being victims, this is not going to be well received here at all. She raises good points however, and a lot of nuance is needed because there is indeed nothing wrong with trying to get a date or trying to figure out if there's attraction with another person.
Yeah, ok, Catherine...
I mean, there's a difference between hitting on someone and what Weinstein did. Like, come on. No one is saying you can't try to get laid. But you can't try to leverage your position to compel someone else to drop drawers. Why is this difficult to understand? Dude straight up blacklisted women that didn't give him the goods.
Obviously there should be levels of nuance. That goes without saying. But for the culture to change people have to learn what's appropriate and inappropriate.
Bit of a difference between stealing a kiss or flirting and potentially ruining someone's career for not "playing ball".
Maybe just leave women the fuck alone in a professional setting.
Flirting? Get fucked man. Asking a woman who thinks she's about to get an acting job to give you a massage in a hotel room isn't fucking flirting. The fuck.
From a French perspective, some of the excesses of the #metoo campaign are definitely troubling. Franken and Weinstein did not do the same thing.
From an American perspective, this letter comes off really badly, because it seems like they're equating rape culture with masculinity (to be clear, they're not).
Americans aren't the most subtle people, it would be a lot better for everyone if we could add more nuance to this. There is a difference between rape (go to prison), masturbating in front of others (pay a fine, lose your job), and pretending to touch someone's chest through a Kevlar vest (apologize and stop being stupid).
This reminds me of the "zero-tolerance" policies in American schools were kids get suspended/expelled for shaping their slice of pizza so it somewhat looks like a pistol (which needless to say is nowhere near the same level as bringing an actual gun to school).
Edit: I mean, not what the article says the letter is saying. I can't read the original in French.
Thats not what she said. Thats not what I am saying. Jesus people.
Ehh, did she forget all the crazy shit he did, like freaking hiring people to stalk his victims?
The current wave is going to sweep up some innocents as well as flush out a lot of guilty parties, this much is clear. The hope must be that it will ultimately do more good than harm.
Maybe I interpreted it different so please enlighten me instead of being an ass
Who lost their job for touching someone’s knee?
Lately it seems these accusers are just waiting for these guys to be in headlines or winning awards to then make their baseless claims on twitter, these sometimes random people have been given way too much power.
Men had been dragged through the mud, they argued, for "talking about intimate subjects during professional dinners or for sending sexually-charged messages to women who did not return their attentions."
How is consequences to non-consensual sexual advances considered going too far?
I maybe wrong but isn’t it more about him being super sleezy for controlling women’s careers based on not sleeping with him?
I mean he has every right to be the scum of the earth if that’s what he wants but so does everyone else for calling him out for it.
Imagine Weinstein trying to "steal a kiss" from your very lips.
OK for the part about clumsy flirting, but pressing your filthy, stinky lips on someone's uninvited is not clumsy flirting. Piss off, Catherine.
And then... who was the French actress who explained that it was OK that all the directors at last year's Cannes festival were men, because it's more natural for men to direct and for women to be directed?