French protesters want to set off bank run with withdrawals

[shnurgleton]

It's actually frightening how far-reaching Russia's power is worldwide.
Here in the Philippines, Russia has been influencing Duterte's via its connection to the Chinese government. With Duterte cozying up to China's huge unpayable loan offer and the theft of the Chinese government of Philippine resources, it's crazy.
At the same time, Russia has been funding the New People's Army/NPA(The Violent Communist guerilla movement) causing uproars in the South. Duterte was doing peace talks to the group back in 2016, but last year the peace talks were no more it was full government war trackdown and kill mode on the group. As a result, we had stuff like the government targetting Teacher's unions labeling them as NPA and members of indigenous communities being held in prison for being NPA radicalizers and terrorist.

Of course, Russia played a part in putting Duterte in power via the fake news on Facebook. It was so abundant during election period.

Besides Russia influencing Pamela Anderson as shown by her ultra radical anarchist foundation which might be a KGB recruitment as shown by this Resetera Thread https://www.resetera.com/threads/pa...-to-become-revolutionaries-in-training.88068/ (she was indoctrinated by her former boyfriend Julian Assange) Russia also influenced the weird "Domination" Vegas announcement by Britney Spears and as well as its sudden cancellation last week.

Britney as a Russia puppet goes as far back as in the 2000s as shown by her Diane Sawyer interview "strong britney"
and her support for Bush during her Tucker Carlson interview. Russia exploited Britney and America's misogyny and celeb culture during her breakdown starting from 2004 and peaking in early 2008 to distract the populace from what was happening politically aka the last years of Bush.
Russia's involvement explains why she's still under conservatorship, why her dancing has sucked since she broke her knee in 2004(though she is now allowed to improve a bit) and why her Instagram account is so peculiar from other celeb's with weird home fashion shows, paint sessions and insta-filtered live singing.
Of course, via her personal Instagram, she's giving secret cries of help for instance, via 🍎🍎 emojis.

Russia is also divising Japan. Out former-communist Hayao Miyazaki was brought back from retirement for a new film with some socialist and communist russia propaganda. Also noting that Naruto has subliminal Russian propaganda too.

That one episode of Bojack Horseman with the KGB agent? Russian propaganda which was clever because you never thought that a parody of the cliche Russian KGB agent can actually be propaganda itself.

Russian propaganda elements in cartoons such as that weird poster during one episode of DuckTales, that SpongeBob episode with cults, the last episode of the OG Powerpuff Girls with it's communist elements (Thought that's banned in the USA) etc.

Also in Music videos especially Lady Gaga ones from 2009-2011.

And this site itself is filled with bots. It's pretty obvious who are Russian bots and plants tbh.

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Are you ok

This post starts somehwhat reasonable and ends with the assertion that SpongeBob is Russian propaganda

 

[Deleted member 13364]

Ugh. It's never just manufactured by Russia out of thin air, obviously. But Russia eagerly supports all kinds of dissent in the EU, fringe groups, alt-right, hardcore nationalist parties. There's ample evidence for that, you literally have it at your fingertips. But sure, by all means, put "Soros did it" conspiracy drivel on the same level as the yearly reports of intelligence services of EU member states. That's your problem, not mine.

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And if you can't see why massively overplaying the role of Russia in events like this would actually be playing into their hands, then that's your problem.

 

[Cocaloch]

Are you ok

This post starts somehwhat reasonable and ends with the assertion that SpongeBob is Russian propaganda

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It's what good satire looks like.

 

[Deleted member 46948]

And if you can't see why massively overplaying the role of Russia in events like this would actually be playing into their hands, then that's your problem.

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Massively overplaying? I said they were bankrolled (which is almost a certainty and very much in line with other proven instances of Russian meddling) and supported (which is also proven by the usage of the bot network) by Russia.
I don't know what your idea was, Putin with fake mustache protesting in the front ranks or something?

 

[Simon Belmont]

They're going to be so disappointed when they walk away with bank drafts instead of cash.

 

[Deleted member 13364]

Massively overplaying? I said they were bankrolled (which is almost a certainty and very much in line with other proven instances of Russian meddling) and supported (which is also proven by the usage of the bot network) by Russia.
I don't know what your idea was, Putin with fake mustache protesting in the front ranks or something?

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There is zero evidence these protests have been "bankrolled" by Russia. That is no different to the conspiracy theory that George Soros was funding BLM.

 

[thewienke]

If France is anything like the US, a bank run of deposit accounts could hurt but I'm guessing the 1% aren't pulling their accounts, businesses certainly aren't, and the elderly and others aren't cashing in all of their CDs.

 

[Deleted member 46948]

There is zero evidence these protests have been "bankrolled" by Russia. That is no different to the conspiracy theory that George Soros was funding BLM.

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In your mind, no doubt.

 

[Deleted member 13364]

In your mind, no doubt.

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And in the mind of anyone else whose mind doesn't immediately jump to spurious conspiracy theories with no evidence to back them up.

 

[Deleted member 46948]

And in the mind of anyone else whose mind doesn't immediately jump to spurious conspiracy theories with no evidence to back them up.

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Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

 

[Deleted member 13364]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

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Well we're just fruitlessly squabbling at this point, so let's just leave it there.

 

[Iloelemen]

Are you ok

This post starts somehwhat reasonable and ends with the assertion that SpongeBob is Russian propaganda

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It's what good satire looks like.

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I'm not ok, but I find it uncomfortable how Russia is sometimes over-hyped and overplayed way too much. Like it's likely that Russia has some sort of influence, but the reason I kinda find it uncomfortable is that it kinda distracts or removes the agency of the participants in these events and why they're doing it.

Whether their reasons are justified or stupid is another question but if one is to look this with russia-colored glasses that are way too thick, then it's kinda implying even for a teensy bit that these people had no ideas of their own to do this and at the very worst, implying that the movement is fake-ish.

 

[Deleted member 46948]

Well we're just fruitlessly squabbling at this point, so let's just leave it there.

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Ok, I'll try the voice of reason one more time and then I'm done with trying to get through to you.
Russia has been repeatedly proven to bankroll virtually every dissent group that had the smallest chance to disrupt the status quo in EU. What would, in your honest opinion, lead it to ignore the biggest protests in some time in one of the core states? Especially after the evidence that it did fan the flames via its bot network?
Is this an extreme case of the benefit of the doubt or what leads you to this frankly very unlikely conclusion?
(I think we can safely ignore the presumption of innocence in this particular case).

 

[Deleted member 13364]

Ok, I'll try the voice of reason one more time and then I'm done with trying to get through to you.
Russia has been repeatedly proven to bankroll virtually every dissent group that had the smallest chance to disrupt the status quo in EU. What would, in your honest opinion, lead it to ignore the biggest protests in some time in one of the core states? Especially after the evidence that it did fan the flames via its bot network?
Is this an extreme case of the benefit of the doubt or what leads you to this frankly very unlikely conclusion?
(I think we can safely ignore the presumption of innocence in this particular case).

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I think you're massively overplaying the extent to which these protests needed Russia to fuel them to the size they have reached. That's it.

 

[Cocaloch]

Ok, I'll try the voice of reason one more time and then I'm done with trying to get through to you.
Russia has been repeatedly proven to bankroll virtually every dissent group that had the smallest chance to disrupt the status quo in EU. What would, in your honest opinion, lead it to ignore the biggest protests in some time in one of the core states? Especially after the evidence that it did fan the flames via its bot network?
Is this an extreme case of the benefit of the doubt or what leads you to this frankly very unlikely conclusion?
(I think we can safely ignore the presumption of innocence in this particular case).

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Ignoring the fact that it's conceited to call yourself the voice of reason over a simple disagreement, I think part of the problem is you might not understand what people mean by bankroll. People don't mean any amount of money when they use that word, they mean provide the full or at least vital funding. Which is to say that it doesn't happen without the bankroller. I'm sure Russia spend money on lots of things, but I'm equally sure they aren't the necessary cause for many of them.

 

[Deleted member 46948]

Ignoring the fact that it's conceited to call yourself the voice of reason over a simple disagreement, I think part of the problem is you might not understand what people mean by bankroll. People don't mean any amount of money when they use that word, they mean provide the full or at least vital funding. Which is to say that it doesn't happen without the bankroller. I'm sure Russia spend money on lots of things, but I'm equally sure they aren't the necessary cause for many of them.

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I'm not sure exactly what reaction you're looking for here. Should I acknowledge the fact you're sure about something you have no evidence for or against? Fine, duly noted.

 

[Deleted member 13364]

I'm not sure exactly what reaction you're looking for here. Should I acknowledge the fact you're sure about something you have no evidence for or against? Fine, duly noted.

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The burden of evidence is on you, my dude.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

People are reluctant to dig into Russia because Russian money and bots are backing their chap.

 

[lazygecko]

It's a given that Russia has their hands in anything that has the potential to fracture and destabilize European politics. Arguing over the degree to which they are involved and exert influence just feels like petty semantics in this regard unless you're actually researching for counter-intelligence or whatever. Sweeping blanket statements about Russian bankrolling everything from the ground up and the subsequent reactions to that hyperbole to dismiss the entire idea are both about equally as reductive.

 

[Cocaloch]

I'm not sure exactly what reaction you're looking for here. Should I acknowledge the fact you're sure about something you have no evidence for or against? Fine, duly noted.

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Where's you evidence to the contrary exactly? You're the one more interested in a positive claim than other people are.

By the way causal arguments are inherently interpretive so this isn't a good argument anyway.

 

[Deleted member 9100]

Definitely not being sponsored by outside agitators.

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Got any proof or evidence of this? Or are you just making up conspiracy theories?

 

[Joni]

I think you're massively overplaying the extent to which these protests needed Russia to fuel them to the size they have reached. That's it.

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They have fueled the fake news angle angering these people against the media's coverage.

Ignoring the fact that it's conceited to call yourself the voice of reason over a simple disagreement, I think part of the problem is you might not understand what people mean by bankroll. People don't mean any amount of money when they use that word, they mean provide the full or at least vital funding. Which is to say that it doesn't happen without the bankroller. I'm sure Russia spend money on lots of things, but I'm equally sure they aren't the necessary cause for many of them.

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The fact Russia manages to do it on the cheap doesn't lessen the impact of their actions.

 

[Deleted member 46948]

Where's you evidence to the cobtrary exactly? You're the one more interested in a positive claim than other people are.

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Read up. If what I said is insufficient to make you at least doubt your frankly irrational beliefs, cool. God forbid I told you what to believe.

 

[JaggedSac]

That's what led to the Depression in the US. Banks insure up to a certain amount, but I don't think they do so with the expectation everyone is withdrawing at the same time

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The FDIC was actually created because of the Great Depression.

 

[Cocaloch]

It's a given that Russia has their hands in anything that has the potential to fracture and destabilize European politics. Arguing over the degree to which they are involved and exert influence just feels like petty semantics in this regard unless you're actually researching for counter-intelligence or whatever. Sweeping blanket statements about Russian bankrolling everything from the ground up and the subsequent reactions to that hyperbole to dismiss the entire idea are both about equally as reductive.

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Is anyone completely dismissing Russian influence? I think people are just tired as Russia as a whole and universal answer to all problems.

 

[gdt]

i mean no disrespect to France but i don't think France is important enough for Putin to put much effort on. It's too irrelevant as a country in terms of global significance.

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Uhh what

 

[Cocaloch]

Read up. If what I said is insufficient to make you at least doubt your frankly irrational beliefs, cool. God forbid I told you what to believe.

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Read up is not an answer to that question. As it stands you're just being an ass. Not everyone that disagrees with your interpretation is irrational. What a stupid claim.

The fact that you think that Russia might not be the necessary causal force behind a lot of issue is totally irrational is also ridiculous as well as begging the question. You're right because anyone that disagrees with you must be irrational. This is a really bad way to think about anything at all.

 

[G.O.O.]

Yeah, sure. I guess hearing a lot of Russian at the protests (reported by trustworthy news teams and people personally known to me) and protesters posing with Donbass flags must be a weird coincidence then.

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You know, many people in france believe russian influence is something overblown by the government in order to decredibilize the opposition. And that's bad enough, because russian influence exists and is to be taken seriously.

The fact that the russians like the protests, and some protesters like Russia, I believe that's true. But seeing conspiracy behind it is *extremely* far fetched, and I really don't think this argument helps.

 

[Iloelemen]

I think you're massively overplaying the extent to which these protests needed Russia to fuel them to the size they have reached. That's it.

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I kinda agree a bit

 

[Cocaloch]

The fact Russia manages to do it on the cheap doesn't lessen the impact of their actions.

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No but it does speak to the existence of broader issues and maybe should make us hesitant about constructing a massivly reductionist dialectic theory of all politics.

People, like the guy making an ass of himself, are using Russia as a conversation ender instead of a conversation starter. That's not good.

 

[Window]

I am convinced that part of the negative reception to Mr. Robot S2 was it completely eviscerating people with these types of delusions instead of entertaining their power fantasy the way it did in S1.

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Haven't seen S2 or beyond because S1 while cool left a bad taste at the end. Good to know subsequent seasons aren't like that.

 

[Juj]

Sure, I wouldn't dispute the fact that Russia has, is, and will continue to fund opposition groups in order to destabilise and undermine state institutions in the West (nor will the US cease doing the same for other regions throughout the world, but that's besides the point). Infiltration is something the left is often fully cognisant of when organising and strategising, and I can assure you that very few anarchists and anticapitalists think of Russia as allies.

At the same time, Russian meddling in these groups doesn't invalidate what are very real concerns and frustrations being voiced by the people involved, no matter how intense that expression is. Nor does said meddling somehow legitimise the state and private institutions that continue to fuck people over every single day. And it also shouldn't dictate the manner in which people confront these institutions.

Neoliberalism has and will continue to be confronted in ever more destructive ways as the inequality gap widens and the effects of climate change become ever more apparent in every aspect of people's lives.

Are there going to be special interest groups seeking to divert these movements for their own gains? You bet. But that reality doesn't somehow delegitimise those movements, especially when it seems convenient to do so because we disagree with their tactics and objectives.

Fake edit: Don't mean to imply that you think these movements are illegitimate due to possible outside interference, but that seems to be the general sentiment in this thread. I'll check those links out when I get home this evening

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Well articulated. Thanks

 

[Aya]

I think you're massively overplaying the extent to which these protests needed Russia to fuel them to the size they have reached. That's it.

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And you are "massively" downplaying it. If you're into geopolitics and a keen observer and follower of national/international policies and politics, if you've been following the last decade (at the very least) of the Kremlins both overt and non strategies, you'd be a little more aware that all of these movements, from Brexit to yellow vests, to trumpism, to...well what's the point of mentioning all of these and more if there's no actual open minded debate. Skepticism is healthy til it becomes a blindfold

LE. Just to be clear, there is no smoke without fire. I'm not contesting the fact that these events/movements weren't true, that yes, they represent a valid reaction to specific issues and causes, I'm not here to debate their substance or creed validity. I do however want to highlight the fact that most if not all of them movements and events have been heavily bankrolled from the east with the purpose of eroding trust in institutions (national and transnational) and competing ideologies, keep state actors busy in their own back yards and infiltrating assets in key positions . And of course this is just an opinion, my opinion. Evidence is not a prerequirement for forming it, but a working brain is.

 

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I can only laugh at the people saying there's no proof of russian involvement when RT are literally doing fake news videos about the protests, interviewing "random passerbys" who happen to be alt-right poster boys

 

[Cocaloch]

And you are "massively" downplaying it. If you're into geopolitics and a keen observer and follower of national/international policies and politics, if you've been following the last decade (at the very least) of the Kremlins both overt and non strategies, you'd be a little more aware that all of these movements, from Brexit to yellow vests, to trumpism, to...well what's the point of mentioning all of these and more if there's no actual open minded debate. Skepticism is healthy til it becomes a blindfold

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You're lacking a verb, they what? Obviously they have some impact and people should look into that. People shouldn't just screech Russia and wash their hands of looking into other things.

Abd there's an increasingly large group of people doing just that. Russia is a problem, but it's working by exploiting existing issues.

As for openminded debate you might want to start your critique with the guy saying all divergence from his opinion is irrational.

I can only laugh at the people saying there's no proof of russian involvement when RT are literally doing fake news videos about the protests, interviewing "random passerbys" who happen to be alt-right poster boys

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Again, are people really dismissing any Russian involvement or are they more interested in questioning causality?

 

[Aya]

I edited. however take the lack of a verb in my post as pointing to me partially giving up already, as while writing I had realized that launching myself in an era debate circling national or geopolitics, even if alluring, it's pretty much pointless

 

[Calde]

I was being sarcastic, of course the alt right will show up to fight against a left wing government. But generalizing that the yellow vest movement is an alt right movement is a joke.

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Macron isn't running a left wing government, he's a center-right politician. The yellow vest movement is largely navigating with left ideology but the fascist elements of the far right would love to co-opt it. They've mostly been unsuccessful so far but Macron's government needs to paint the protesters as all Le Pen voters if he's to hold his own coalition together.

 

[TheMango55]

Crashing the economy to own the... whatever it is these people are supposed to be protesting against

 

[808s & Villainy]

The FDIC was actually created because of the Great Depression.

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True, but wouldn't it still be an issue is a significant number of people tried to withdraw all their money? Technically, according to FDIC rules banks need to insure up to a certain amount, but I have a feeling most banks use some....creative accounting. Maybe that's just the skeptic in me

 

[lacer]

TIL Britney Spears is a Russian agent. this thread's a fuckin' trip man

 

[Bleu]

Again, are people really dismissing any Russian involvement or are they more interested in questioning causality?

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They are dismissive if not complicit at this point.
If you live in France and have half a brain it's obvious how hard the russian intoxication farms are at work. it ramped up during the presidential elections and never stopped since.
Every anti democratic shit is being given an insane amount of botted retweets and push, it super obvious, but people are so fucking stupid it works.
They don't invent subjects, they pick and choose the ones they want to push within the existing miasma, as long as it weakens democracy or the social fabric in some way, sometimes it does not stick, but sometimes it works.
And when it works, ho boy..
Best recent example is the "RIC', the idea of a spontaneous referendum, it was non existent, an old (stupid and dangerous) idea from extremists both sides, and suddenly, in a week, a deluge of tweets and social networks posts pushing it, so obviously botted it hurts, and what was the result ?
In less than 10 days, 3 mps in the national assembly and senate went and ask verbatim for what the bots pushed, 3 mps turned into agents of a foreign enemy nation ( complicit or just too fucking stupid to realize what they are doing because they think they can control the beast, who knows).
Same shit for the "Marrakech pact".
That's pretty efficient i'd say.

 

[Pomerlaw]

Everyone taking the side of protesters... Would you be ready to negociate with them and what would you propose?

 

[Baji Boxer]

True, but wouldn't it still be an issue is a significant number of people tried to withdraw all their money? Technically, according to FDIC rules banks need to insure up to a certain amount, but I have a feeling most banks use some....creative accounting. Maybe that's just the skeptic in me

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I suppose the issue would be if too many wanted cash from a single location. If they're like U.S. banks, they don't keep a ton of physical cash on hand.

 

[Cocaloch]

They are dismissive if not complicit at this point.

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I want to make sure I understand you here. Are you calling posters on this board complicit? I'm not sure who your antecedent is here.

 

[Pomerlaw]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN1P51H1-OCATP

The "yellow vests" are demanding the right to call referendums through mass petitions.

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[Ac30]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN1P51H1-OCATP



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This isn't surprising. They'll rule "for the people" through this and ensure all dissenting judges, minority opinions, and the constitution are swiftly swept aside.

After other populist strongmen/parties like PiS, Orbán, Maduro and Duterte you'd think people would stop voting for 'em, but nahhhh

TIL Britney Spears is a Russian agent. this thread's a fuckin' trip man

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I refuse to believe that post is real lmfao

 

[Aya]

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They are dismissive if not complicit at this point.
If you live in France and have half a brain it's obvious how hard the russian intoxication farms are at work. it ramped up during the presidential elections and never stopped since.
Every anti democratic shit is being given an insane amount of botted retweets and push, it super obvious, but people are so fucking stupid it works.
They don't invent subjects, they pick and choose the ones they want to push within the existing miasma, as long as it weakens democracy or the social fabric in some way, sometimes it does not stick, but sometimes it works.
And when it works, ho boy..
Best recent example is the "RIC', the idea of a spontaneous referendum, it was non existent, an old (stupid and dangerous) idea from extremists both sides, and suddenly, in a week, a deluge of tweets and social networks posts pushing it, so obviously botted it hurts, and what was the result ?
In less than 10 days, 3 mps in the national assembly and senate went and ask verbatim for what the bots pushed, 3 mps turned into agents of a foreign enemy nation ( complicit or just too fucking stupid to realize what they are doing because they think they can control the beast, who knows).
That's pretty efficient i'd say.

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One question that keeps haunting me is "what in the hell are them counter intelligence services up to?" hell, in my country we had (probably still have) an entire division (completely sealed off from other intelligence branches so as to be as independent as possible and less inclined to be compromised) dedicated to countering and keeping tabs on russian interference. Funny thing, during a period of restleness and protests, when everyone was busy discerning what the hell is going on, their secret headquarters was raided at gunpoint by a only a few men strong team, the place was set ablaze and no one heard nothing about it ever since (been a long time since, but it just gives a taste of what happens behind the scenes)

 

[Bleu]

I want to make sure I understand you here. Are you calling posters on this board complicit? I'm not sure who your antecedent is here.

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Not directly.
You asked if they were dismissive or interested in questioning causality.
The thing is that the fact the interference is there, and the fact that it fucking works are so obvious; well, If you are still questioning it, you are either blind or suspect.

 

[WedgeX]

True, but wouldn't it still be an issue is a significant number of people tried to withdraw all their money? Technically, according to FDIC rules banks need to insure up to a certain amount, but I have a feeling most banks use some....creative accounting. Maybe that's just the skeptic in me

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No. That's why the FDIC, Federal Reserve, and Office of the Comptroller of the Currency audit banks.

 

[Palette Swap]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN1P51H1-OCATP
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Yeah, I'm not on board with this at all, even if this was properly organized, I don't trust these referendums to not turn into majoritarian shitfests. The religious right has been hard at work the past few weeks trolling online debate platforms to put at the top a debate on gay marriage (to roll it back).
I don't trust the crowd or the goodness of its heart to not fuck over minorities the next time they're angry.