This rapper sounds like a racist asshole but I would never wish anyone get criminally charged over song lyrics.
Isn't the video kind of relevant to the discussion? Not sure why you'd grill someone for posting itYou're maybe promoting it because it serves a fear based agenda?
Let's be honest, it's not like this is something lots of people saw before this thread.
Yeah that was pretty fucking disgusting, especially as it was aimed to a person sharing their personal experiences.Me? What are YOU going on about? You are the one saying that it wasn't racist when Hitler genocided slavs and otherwise downplaying racism against Eastern Europeans.
Seriously, I'm out.
Damn, the lyrics are fucking garbage but where is the outrage of white people about us PoC having shit songs made about us??? I mean look at the comments too...
Me? What are YOU going on about? You are the one saying that it wasn't racist when Hitler genocided slavs and otherwise downplaying racism against Eastern Europeans.
Seriously, I'm out.
Do you think the discrimination, prejudices and violence white Eastern Europeans in example face is just as condemnable as when it's directed towards POC. I'm not asking which do you think is more common, I'm asking if you see it as equally bad act?How did I downplay anything, honestly?
You're in this irrational outrage mode and it's ridiculous over this stupid small reaching video.
Because it's relevant in my opinion to trying to get some cogs turning in brains in this topic to how offensive artistic content can exist and it isn't literal. As for comparing to other countries, maybe because I disagree with France's use of hate speech here if the artist is credibly attempting to use artistic merit. Why wouldn't I try to say if other countries can do this without complete social erosion and civilization folding on itself, why can't France? They haven't passed judgement yet but I'm going to guess to "make a point" they will hand down some charge. Especially with global eyes on this.
Still pulled his shit down faster than they did Jones/spencer/every other Person with the same viewpoints on youtube/twitter/Facebook...
Sometimes not even so.
No, the problem is not the video, the problem is you saying that people genocided by Hitler of all things, weren't victims of racism and coming up with stuff such as "ethnic genocide, not racism" to downplay it.You're in this irrational outrage mode and it's ridiculous over this stupid small reaching video.
Glad I live in a country with free speech and the best rappers. USA USA USA.
So minorities need to stop so, what, they get to be targets with zero recourse? That turn the other cheek stuff doesn't work when people don't even recognize you as deserving of basic rights and decency. The second minorities adopt the attitude that we should all just hug it out is the second things turn real bad. It's not a circle because that implies everyone is giving and getting hatred equally.
Do you think the discrimination, prejudices and violence white Eastern Europeans in example face is just as condemnable as when it's directed towards POC. I'm not asking which do you think is more common, I'm asking if you see it as equally bad act?
No, the problem is not the video, the problem is you saying that people genocided by Hitler of all things, weren't victims of racism and coming up with stuff such as "ethnic genocide, not racism" to downplay it.
I'm sorry but I can't know if you are being sarcastic or something. "Yes, of course" would had been more convincing. Now it seemed like "sure whatever". But okay, why is it so important then that it's not called racism. Why is the disctintion so important when they are equally bad things, perpetuated in same manner. It feels weird to me since where I live the definition of racism also encompasses ethnicity, culture and religion, not just race. Do you also make a distinction between Islamophobia and racism?
Do tell? Please point to examples so we can report them for bans or are you just making stuff up?
You too, put up.
I'm sorry but I can't know if you are being sarcastic or something. "Yes, of course" would had been more convincing. But okay, why is it so important then that it's not called racism. Why is the disctintion so important when they are equally bad things. It feels weird to me since where I live the definition of racism also encompasses ethnicity, culture and religion, not just race. Do you also make a distinction between Islamophobia and racism?
So minorities need to stop so, what, they get to be targets with zero recourse? That turn the other cheek stuff doesn't work when people don't even recognize you as deserving of basic rights and decency. The second minorities adopt the attitude that we should all just hug it out is the second things turn real bad. It's not a circle because that implies everyone is giving and getting hatred equally.
I mean, I'm white so I don't have those stories, but yikes. I hope you start caring about that.Sorry dude I respect every men and women on this planet and I don't care about your stories about thousand years of violence or intolerance.
Yep, well said.Yeah race based and religious based discrimination are different things that can intersect. If a minority hates a oppressive group because they're treated as second class; that a different situation than two different ethnicities of the same "race" going at it.
Just pretending everything is equally "racist" isn't right.
Sorry dude I respect every men and women on this planet and I don't care about your stories about thousand years of violence or intolerance.
I m a grandson of an Algerian man and a French woman by the time of the colonies.
They are the greatest heroes, those that achieved To put hopes and love before all this hate.
I'm sorry but I wont shed a tear to those that fight hatred with hatred.
I mean in my experience racism towards racial groups (people with darker skin color) is more common in this day and age. In that way I'd say it's not equal, that's what we probably agree on. But how it's perpetrated is equal. And I'm not talking about "racism" towards the majority, I'm talking about racism towards ethnic minorities who can be mostly white. Someone getting beat up for being Polish or Russian minority is just as bad as someone getting beaten for being black or brown skinned. Both are things completely out of their control too, nobody chooses where they are born or with what skin color. Or getting discriminated in employment. Or having stereotypes perpetuated. Do we agree on this?Yeah race based and religious based discrimination are different things that can intersect. If a minority hates a oppressive group because they're treated as second class; that a different situation than two different ethnicities of the same "race" going at it.
Just pretending everything is equally "racist" isn't right.
Is UNESCO recognized as the holders of the only legitimate definition of racism or something? I can't find that on their site where they say "all other definitions are wrong and ours is right". Also, what part of you finds a problem with how Elegant Weapon defines racism (I'll tag him because you did not)? I don't understand where that reaction is coming from inside of you. it's fine to disagree but when you make a comment like that it seems like it has some teeth behind it, like it bothers you more than just a friendly disagreement.
Just striked me as odd you replied to the poster after me, that's all. Good luck on your test.Are you serious? No. I'd say more but I'm taking a 8 hour class and literally about to take a test.
I mean in my experience racism towards racial groups (people with darker skin color) is more common in this day and age. In that way I'd say it's not equal, that's what we probably agree on. But how it's perpetrated is equal. And I'm not talking about "racism" towards the majority, I'm talking about racism towards ethnic minorities who can be mostly white. Someone getting beat up for being Polish or Russian minority is just as bad as someone getting beaten for being black or brown skinned. Both are things completely out of their control too, nobody chooses where they are born or with what skin color. Or getting discriminated in employment. Or having stereotypes perpetuated. Do we agree on this?
Nice! I just often get a bad impression on some threads, when people say that there can be no racism towards white people. It reads as a downplaying the problem of racism. I'd have less issues with it if people said their mind while acknowledging those who suffer from racism or xenophobia (however you want to call it) while being white too. As it's not a shield against discrimination or prejudices. It still happens even on institutional level and still hurts.
Just striked me as odd you replied to the poster after me, that's all. Good luck on your test.
I'd say that calling cops on a black person in the US is putting them at risk. The risk of something happening to them is greater than something happening to white people in France because of this song. But I don't mind this thread either though.Why not?
Every single time some entitled middle-aged white woman calls the cops on a black person at a BBQ or at a park, it gets a thread here and weeks worth of news.
This guy is calling for racial violence. Why does his popularity dictate how newsworthy it should or shouldn't be?
On one hand you described state assisted racial conflict. On the other, you got one dude saying stupid shit. Nothing about that denotes an important difference to you?Why not?
Every single time some entitled middle-aged white woman calls the cops on a black person at a BBQ or at a park, it gets a thread here and weeks worth of news.
This guy is calling for racial violence. Why does his popularity dictate how newsworthy it should or shouldn't be?
That I'm not fretting over, I still wonder whether you think Nazis are racist or tribalistic though lol. Because if you say I can't have experienced racism since I'm not black and it was tribalism instead (again, no distinction is made there in my country), and we know the Nazis never particulary went for black people, that would mean Nazis were tribalistic as well?I'm heading to part two now but you shouldn't fret too much over my opinions as much as white on white racism in Eastern Europe which I'm spared from experiencing as an American.
I mean the dude lives and was most likely born in France or seems to have ancestry in Cameroon, not in America, so I'm not sure what he's reversing here. The way the picture plays with him abducting the guy, toying with him while he dies, that shit is imagery that doesn't even happen in America anymore. Certainly not in France, where the hatespeech laws are in place. And the killing babies part, as you said as well, was just too over the top.Well let's explore this a bit, because there is context to this video:
If the guy was doing this for artistic purposes to demonstrate a point, and in an artistic sense he thought it thematically necessary, and intended to shock people as he felt the shock necessary to the processing of his message, why is it treated differently? I'm not endorsing the message of killing babies and he knew there would be backlash, but doesn't it seem like a double standard when it's a black person doing it as far as the willingness to examine context?
That I'm not fretting over, I still wonder whether you think Nazis are racist or tribalistic though lol. Because if you say I can't have experienced racism since I'm not black and it was tribalism instead (again, no distinction is made there in my country), and we know the Nazis never particulary went for black people, that would mean Nazis were tribalistic as well?
Which makes us calling racists Nazis nonsensical? Yet everybody does it. I think we do for good reason, you seem to disagree.
Good luck on part two then as well!
I mean the dude lives and was most likely born in France or seems to have ancestry in Cameroon, not in America, so I'm not sure what he's reversing here. The way the picture plays with him abducting the guy, toying with him while he dies, that shit is imagery that doesn't even happen in America anymore. Certainly not in France, where the hatespeech laws are in place. And the killing babies part, as you said as well, was just too over the top.
I'm not surprised the shock was wanted lol.
I'm also not sure what it is treated differently to. Opposed to what? What rap video have you seen where this imagery is even remotely being displayed in reverse, or even one that was treated with lighter hands and reactions than this one? Again, the organization that sued him normally sues far right wingers for hatespeech or the government and companies for discrimination policies/discriminiation at the workplace.
The fact that right wing nuts are attacking him on the internet should surprise absolutely noone, but people in here arguing against him are mostly arguing against people downplaying his statements.
Then why did you tell me it's not racism when I just said I have white skin colour and people gave me hell for years do to my heritage anyway? Since that line of thinking that racism is something that only PoC can experience is quite prevalent on this board I interpreted your one sentence post like that.I don't think I've said anything about black people in this thread; at least I definitely didn't say only black people experience racism
Strange they didn't absue it for 70+ years and in some instances longer then. There is no scenario in which hatespeech laws can be abused in a way that theatens minorities or politically opressed. They are too clearly defined for that.Clearly dark satire, and also an example of why I tend to fall into the free speech absolutist camp. Give any entity authority to silence speech, even hate speech, and no matter how well meaning they claim to be, they'll find a way to abuse it. Allow hate speech, and leave it up to the people to take action against it using their own free speech/expression, whether it be in the form of deplatforming, protest, or debate. Just don't hand that power over to a fucking institution.
Then why did you tell me it's not racism when I just said I have white skin colour and people gave me hell for years do to my heritage anyway? Since that line of thinking that racism is something that only PoC can experience is quite prevalent on this board I interpreted your one sentence post like that.
Still pulled his shit down faster than they did Jones/spencer/every other Person with the same viewpoints on youtube/twitter/Facebook...
Sometimes not even so.
I asked him/her 3 times and he/she refused to answer my PM, so I'm most likely right.Most antifas(or whatever you call them) are communist sympathizers.Communism, just like nazism is a cancer to society.
Is UNESCO recognized as the holders of the only legitimate definition of racism or something? I can't find that on their site where they say "all other definitions are wrong and ours is right". Also, what part of you finds a problem with how Elegant Weapon defines racism (I'll tag him because you did not)? I don't understand where that reaction is coming from inside of you. it's fine to disagree but when you make a comment like that it seems like it has some teeth behind it, like it bothers you more than just a friendly disagreement.
It doesn't really. Jones and Spencer and most other straight up racist/white supremacy youtube/social media guys are american and america doesn't have hate speech laws. This guy was french and France has hate speech laws, so if youtube didn't react in certain time amount France would have fined them for a lot of money.So true! Glad someone pointed this out.
Makes you think doesn't it?
It doesn't really. Jones and Spencer and most other straight up racist/white supremacy youtube/social media guys are american and america doesn't have hate speech laws. This guy was french and France has hate speech laws, so if youtube didn't react in certain time amount France would have fined them for a lot of money.
It sucks youtube and other social media platforms are so slow to react in many cases like Jones' but you're looking for a conspiracy where there is none and there is a clear explanation for why they reacted as fast as they did.
I mean, I'm white so I don't have those stories, but yikes. I hope you start caring about that.
I go into a nursery and kill white babies, catch them fast and hang their parents, quarter them to pass the time, entertain the black kids of all ages, young and old. Whip them hard, do it so that it stinks of death, and blood gushes
This is why hate speech laws are heavy handed authoritarian nonsense quite often.
If you ignore context of anything you can make it whatever you want. The only thing that's ever amusing on Era is how people apply the context argument depending on whether they like or agree with the source. That's not how that works. Objective honesty is what is important not opinions. This isn't a legit call to kill white people, it's an edgy rap.
Good thing I'm consistent. Unless the guy is posing an actual threat or a serious call to violence, wasting money, resources and so on, on this, is a media circus and a waste of time. Let YouTube kick it if they want and people call him a twat, but save the hyperbole and Government intervention please.
How exactly can you claim to care about and respect others, when you won't listen to their struggles? Instead, you felt like gushing about your "heroes"You can make a change without to have to repent for things you didn't do. For what I know I'm shocked, stunned by the atrocity that our elders have committed.
But I'm equally shocked by some rhetoric I'm reading here.
Basically, it's "an eye for an eye" but if you do that, then you're doing or saying harmful things to people that have not the choice either to have the skin coulour of ancestral douchebags.
I'm white, I didn't choose to, so I have to be associated to racists, supremacists because they represent a majority ?
So there's a form of hostility that is accepted because you have to even the odds and the other will have to wait ? We can't fight every form of intolerance under the same banner ? Why ?
It is a story about hope and love, I'm sure it's far more needed that some of the messages of pure and sometimes non dissimilated hatred that I've came across on this topic may it be toward black or white people.
You don't think that we could do way better with each others if we started to talk about what we have in common instead of what our (basics as skin colour) differences are ?
Come on guys...
Enlighten me then.Tell me how I was wrong.I was most likely right since he/she avoided to answer my question and also changed his/her antifa profile pic.I strongly advise you to not talk about things you don't know anything about. This entire thread just makes you look like such a ridiculously poor person, it's not even funny anymore.
All your posts here are Gold Medal winning Mental Gymnastics, you are too good.
Kill all the white people
Kill all the white people
Then we'll be free
We'll be free
Kill all the white people
(Kill all the white people)
Kill all the white people
(Kill all the white people)
Then we'll be free (we'll be free)
We'll be free (oh)
Ugh
Ah
Kill them all, man
Kill them all
(1, 2, 3, 4)
(1, 2, 3, 4)
(1, 2, 3, 4)
Ooh, ah
Ooh, ah
Then we'll be free (then we'll be free)
Then we'll be free (then we'll be free)
Then we'll be free (then we'll be free)
We'll be free (oh)
The late Pete Steele put his tortured soul into every bass note, lyric and vocal take. This tune along with "Kill All the White People" and "Kill You Tonight" are the best killing trilogy since Creepshow.