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Frostpunk arrives on the Microsoft Store (Windows 10)
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It's not like Nexus but it isn't as restricted as Creation Club either, it's like Steam Workshop. According to job listings, developers can easily enable "Xbox Live mod support for any Windows 10 and/or Xbox One game they publish".
It only took half a day for him to go from "UWP is half-decent" to "UWP is better than Win32."
He's talking about the store it self there, in the tweets in this thread, he walks about UWP, the api.
I am
I am talking about the stupid comments about the shill talk. You know maybe he honestly likes uwp. He can. Doesnt make him a shill right away. Its stupid.
Windows Store and UWP isn't same thing tho.
I'll believe when I see.
Regardless as long as it's something developers must support, not even half of games will support. Compare to Steam Workshop.
And Modding will be limited to what developers decide to allow (just like Steam Workshop).
Microsoft has said many times they're not planning to let users run custom code, which non supported mods in most cases are (like script extenders), because "they contain Chrome keyloggers".
I'll believe when I see.
Regardless as long as it's something developers must support, not even half of games will support. Compare to Steam Workshop.
And Modding will be limited to what developers decide to allow (just like Steam Workshop).
Microsoft has said many times they're not planning to let users run custom code, which non supported mods in most cases are (like script extenders), because "they contain Chrome keyloggers".
Windows 10 S was a complete failure. UWP has a long way to go before it's mainstream and an even longer way to go before it's good for PC gaming.
Was about to comment on that. Unfortunately I must have commented on some of his tweets before. He has already blocked me from Twitter.
Whelp, the short path between a conversation about modding and Jez calling me a liar was pretty short, so I blocked him.
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Maybe but it doesn't make it any less true you sanctimonious tool.
You won't last long with such behavior. 25 posts and already contributing to nothing.
I literally talked to Microsoft Engineers two weeks ago and they said Win32 is going no where lol.
Nah he thinks the Store sucks.
He likes UWP, tho.
There is a big difference.
That makes it the worst part.
The primary reason the windows store sucks is UWP. All the other bullshit broken stuff in the store is secondary.
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That's the first time I hear anyone say this. Why wouldn't you use Steam?
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He thinks that it will be shut down by early 2019:
I will make a thread and ask for his comment if it is still around in April 2019.
Wait so he likes windows store but dislikes UWP?
He is still half wrong.
You sound upset.
Does it bother you that the MS Store is growing?
No. As i said he dislikes the store, but likes UWP
I talked about your statement. The opposite is true.
The Store has issues, but UWP is not one of them.
Certainly not the main.
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I can understand his fears, MS isn't interested in the open aspect of pc gaming as much as Valve is.
But.. I do think UWP is the future, because it has Microsoft's backing. And by the way, we have no clue if the MS Store has any growth. I think most people never use the store. The change in revenue cut that was announced last week doesn't make it look good.
Also, it's a difficult thing for Microsoft. Windows is getting less important to the company and it is becoming less relevant by the day. PC Gaming is a core market they still have, but they don't earn a lot of money from that market.
At some point they'll stop developing Windows on this scale and maybe gamers will move to Linux one day?
of course I am. it's the worst thing that could happen to PC gaming
Well...wouldn't that be a question to ask during E3 ;). I've always said that people were going to hate UWP for the unrestricted access for modding as all the other issues would go away over time. Oh and Win32 is going to be around for a long time. But that's not this topic.
OT: Good to see more games come to the store.
OT: Good to see more games come to the store.
UWP is still not feature parity with Win32 and by design will never be (it also never preventing the one thing it was supposed to, cheating)
It will always be inferior. I don't give a shit about an app being able to seamlessly switch monitors lmao
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It does some things better than Win32
It does some things worse than Win32
It does some things just different than Win32
Maybe that is your stance but 99% of the world does not give a shit if an app is UWP or Win32.
They just want it to work well for what it is supposed to do.
And that is the reason why the Windows 10 Store has issues and UWP is not the reason for those.
But maybe i missed all those complaints about Sea of Thieves being not a Win32 application and that being the big issue.
A large portion will care when things like DSFix cease to exist. But sure, you don't have to care. A lot of people do. Maybe people wouldn't care if mods weren't a large part of why you are able to play older games today.
If Microsoft ever decides to address those things (reminder that a large part of PC gaming are things like DLL injection, for better or worse, and unauthorized mods) then I'll retract my statement. Until then, it's inferior.
Also, I have no idea what you're talking about with Sea of Thieves lol talk about a non-sequitur
If someone can explain to me how UWP is ultimately better for the consumer in its current state, I'd love to hear it. Actively removing large features (stuff that makes people actually buy games on PC) is not something I would trade for whatever tiny improvements UWP makes over Win32.
Mods...
UWP can support mods.
Many people play old games because of BC.
Windows 10 will be the last OS until some major shift in computing happens. So why wouldn't you be able to play those games in 5 or 10 years? Or even 15.
Most people play new games. They don't care about old games and mods.
If that what determines for you being inferior or not, fine. But as i saidy most people don't give a fuck about that stuff.
But they do if you can't download a game properly. If you have login problems or if a store is missing a good search function and other basic features.
That are the complains and rightfully so.
UWP is something positive.
UWP can support mods.
Many people play old games because of BC.
Windows 10 will be the last OS until some major shift in computing happens. So why wouldn't you be able to play those games in 5 or 10 years? Or even 15.
Most people play new games. They don't care about old games and mods.
If that what determines for you being inferior or not, fine. But as i saidy most people don't give a fuck about that stuff.
But they do if you can't download a game properly. If you have login problems or if a store is missing a good search function and other basic features.
That are the complains and rightfully so.
UWP is something positive.
Can only do developer supported mods. DSFix wouldn't exist in Dark Souls UWP.
What backwards compatibility on PC lol? And can you prove to me that Windows 10 is going to be the "last" OS for 15 years? What happens if that changes? I don't have to worry about that now if people can make fixes for existing titles.
"Most people play new games." What an absolutely anti-consumer statement to make. Again, I don't have to worry about this shit with UWP.
You have literally 0 proof of any of this shit and it's all conjecture. Right now, UWP is absolutely an inferior way to package applications and the current roadmap does not show it getting any sort of parity with Win32. You're shitting on a large part of what makes PC gaming great with some of the weakest arguments I've ever seen. This is probably one of the most embarrassing posts I've seen defending UWP, good lord.
I'm honestly questioning if you even game on PC with some of the shit you say.
Thats the one thing you notice about people who support UWP they don't game on the PC they just support the XBOX brand.
It's disgusting. The sheer disrespect to tell people how they should enjoy their games on PC is the antithesis to fucking PC gaming.
A lot of angry posts about UWP lol
Who's disrespecting you? Microsoft owns Windows and if you don't like it move to Linux, wtf is the fuss about.
I am more curious about what publishers think about UWP. I am willing to bet they'll start pushing it if it means more control of their IP. The walled garden has been very successful for Apple and Google with their apps you bet Microsoft is jumping on that same bandwagon. You'll see Windows becoming just another walled garden. It will happen and you won't stop it.
Who's disrespecting you? Microsoft owns Windows and if you don't like it move to Linux, wtf is the fuss about.
I am more curious about what publishers think about UWP. I am willing to bet they'll start pushing it if it means more control of their IP. The walled garden has been very successful for Apple and Google with their apps you bet Microsoft is jumping on that same bandwagon. You'll see Windows becoming just another walled garden. It will happen and you won't stop it.
I don't give a shit about what publishers think lol, I'm a consumer. This is bad for me as a CONSUMER. Also lol if you think UWP gives people any more "control" over their IP. Again, what proof is there of that? What does that statement even mean in this context?
And yea I'd love to go to Linux but it's super disingenuous to just wave off people's complaints by saying "hurr durr go somewhere else"
PC gaming includes Windows gaming.
Hurr Durr seriously go somewhere else if you want freedom. I am not joking when say Windows will be a closed platform. And before you get even more pissy I am not advocating uwp, I just see the writing on the wall.
You should care what publishers think because it will give you insight as to where this is heading. You can continue to be pissed and have your head stuck in the sand or take a look around at today's landscape. If publishers like UWP and decide that it gives them some protection, even if it's false protection, they'll start using it and may opt to use it exclusively. You better bet your ass that's what MS is hoping for.
Completely false.
MS themselves have said multiple times that Win32 Is NEVER Going away due to how engrained it is in the workplace / consumer markets. With what Little they have spoken of Polaris (Next OS after W10), It's been stated that Win32 will take the sidelines, but will still be usable Via Virtualization (Whether it's Local or Remote Virtualization is yet to be figured out.)
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Windows isn't the main platform for gaming for a reason. MS did this themselves by platform locking DirectX.
Yeah because everyone is totally using UWP for gaming now.
The more you talk, the more it sounds like you have 0 clue what you are talking about, just keep quiet.
But no one is forcing you to buy it on the windows store or am I missing something here? Lol
What a mature response. No shit Microsoft wants a closed platform, they've been the laughing stock of the security world forever.
It's an issue when they try to shove their garbage into games where it doesn't fit. They can use UWP for everything else, I don't care about that. UWP works for that sort of stuff. It's bad for gaming. Fortunately Win32 is not going anywhere so hopefully developers who actually care won't use UWP.
All you've come into this thread to do is shit on people with serious concerns which is both sad and hilarious.
You either are way too worked up to be civil or need to work on your reading comprehension. I have not "shit on people" who have concerns. Maybe take a break and relax before keyboard warrior'ing. But I do hope you got a good chuckle, and hit me up in a couple years when win32 is dead on Windows. We can have a beer and laugh at the absurdity of it all. Until then, you're on the ignore list.
I like uwp apps because uwp has a lower chance to negatively affect the whole PC system. The uwp version of iTunes, for example, is for that reason, far superior than the win32 version. And many are more than happy to replace the app with the store version.
I think it'll interesting to see the consensus on this site after mod support had roll out to uwp. The dislike of the platform will at that point be a philosophical one.
Edit: And as Chinese developers rise up to dominent the industry, I'll only install uwp versions of their game from now on. I am a Taiwanese and I don't want Chinese to plant some monitoring tool in my personal PC. I won't be able to mod one of Tencent's property, but the privacy and security will be worth it.
I think it'll interesting to see the consensus on this site after mod support had roll out to uwp. The dislike of the platform will at that point be a philosophical one.
Edit: And as Chinese developers rise up to dominent the industry, I'll only install uwp versions of their game from now on. I am a Taiwanese and I don't want Chinese to plant some monitoring tool in my personal PC. I won't be able to mod one of Tencent's property, but the privacy and security will be worth it.
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Well duh, the only store that sells uwp right now has extra protection for mods, that doesn't mean uwp can't.He was super quick to respond the first time, been waiting a little while for a follow up though.
And he's right, the last platform updates was essentially to bring uwp and win32 closer and closer together to the point where soon it won't matter for a capability perspective.
IIRC there were a lot of complaints about its lack of options like not being able to run at an uncapped framerate and not being able to downsample without fucking up your desktop resolution, both of which are non issues with win32 titles.
UWP probably works best for simple applications. (iTunes isn't UWP native tho, it's win32 using centennial bridge).
But that aside, clean uninstall is good. The real issue is iTunes (and many others) is garbage that install tons of extra crap and are very complex entanglement of various dependencies, that others may use too.
Even Microsoft things like Office and Visual Studio, probably impossible to fully uninstall, without nuking Windows install.
For most of games that isn't really issue anymore thankfully.
Publishers rely on users for income, if userbase isn't supporting UWP, then no sense moving there.
I mean Square Enix is even seemingly dropping support, they released Rise of the Tomb Raider and FFXV on UWP.
But seemingly Shadow of the Tomb Raider is moving back to being Steam exclusive. It's safe to assume, It probably didn't do extremely well (despite being cheaper than Steam copy initially).
UWP was not made to prevent cheating lol.
UWP has so many benefits over Win32 that people on here just can't see because they hate MS and want to be outraged. The overwhelmingly large majority of PC game players couldn't care less about modding.
Win32 isn't going anywhere anyway. It will always be there, just not natively.
Are you being serious? You really don't know anything about what UWP actually is if you can't think of a single advantage it brings.
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