The initial list of accusers that kicked this whole thing off were in no way "Hollywood royalty".
But perhaps you weren't paying attention to them.
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Gabrielle Union on the #MeToo Movement: ‘The Floodgates Have Opened for White Women’
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But perhaps you weren't paying attention to them.
So everyone call them A-listers, but only until the topic is sexual assault?
This is such an odd thing for you to point out.
Of some of the women who spoke out about Weinstein early on, she said, "If those people hadn't been Hollywood royalty, if they hadn't been approachable, if they hadn't been people who have had access to parts and roles and true inclusion in Hollywood, would we have believed?"
It seems as if you are ignoring the context of where she mentioned the world royalty. It was describing SOME of the women who spoke about Weinstein early on, and because of who they were people believed them. It is not a stretch of anyone's imagination that some of these women have large influences within Hollywood.
I paid attention to those women, I paid attention to Terry Crews and Anthony Rapp, and I am consistently paying attention to the many black women and women of color who have called out men for sexual harassment, but have been ignored by the media.
yes, but bringing that up will be seen as thread derailing by her defenders.
The #metoo movement consists of women of all races, and there is majority white in America. I wouldn't say that makes it a white movement, but certainly it has helped bring it to mainstream attention by force of numbers, and if you will argue so, the threat against a majority white society's white women.
I mean, she's not wrong, but I don't really understand what she's hoping to acomplish by saying this. Is she trying to galvanize women of color to start speaking up under the guise that "White women are speaking up so now it's okay for you to as well"? Or is she insinuating that people only took these allegations seriously because white women were the ones to speak up "first"? It seems damaging to the movement to try and splinter it between superficial lines of racial intolerance when the goal should be exposing the sick bastards that have been doing this for so long ,regardless of the color of their victims. Also, I believe numerous gay men of color have been part of the accusers as well, so I think it's also damaging to imply that "only white women get justice". I dunno, maybe I read this wrong, but I'm not really feeling her message at the moment.
Non-white woman victims are ignored or doubted. There's examples from the me too movement as well as other women's movements and lgbt movements mentioned through the thread.
The bolded is precisely why, race-blind feminism has got to go. Women of color suffer unique racialized misogyny, and "I don't see color" feminism does not help them.
I understand that, my point was that I don't really see how what Union said is supposed to help the movement because it seems to at the same time shame white women for being fortunate enough to be white and have their voices heard and shame women of color for not speaking loud enough to be heard. Racial inequality is a definite issue but it should be tackled separately so as not to detract from the ultimate goal of taking down any and all sexual abusers.
the only people it's shaming are the ones who only choose to listen to white women.
Many white women would agree with her message completely. Not enough, but many.
With her comments shes asking for intersectionality and calling out a lack of. Intersectionality important and not something to be pushed to the side to be worried about later if at all. Definitely a priority
That's a good message. I feel she didn't convey it as well as she could have, though, especially the line about "If those people hadn't been Hollywood royalty, if they hadn't been approachable, if they hadn't been people who have had access to parts and roles and true inclusion in Hollywood, would we have believed?" because many accusers aren't "Hollywood royalty" and numerous still only spoke with the assurance that their name was off-the-record because they rightfully still feared for their career and own personal safety for speaking out. I feel in the current climate that any accusations of abuse will be taken very seriously, regardless of race. I understand that it sucks that apparently white women speaking up while women of color were ignored led us here, but I feel the ends justify the means if women of color will now be taken more seriously now that the spotlight is shining brightly on the entire industry.
Maybe that can happenhere but as history has shown and continues to show this doesn't happened for women of color, black women in particular, through out any feminist movement. Black Women always have to demand for intersectionality or pick up the torch and do the work for their own causes unique to them. This is why we have womanism. Waiting for progress to trickle down doesn't seem to work out.
So have any black women's accusations been outright rejected?
I don't think that would happen under the current climate.
There is probably some racial component considering power dynamics.
I don't think that would happen under the current climate.
There is probably some racial component considering power dynamics.
It can't be taken separately by women of color though, that's the point. They're both women AND non-white.
Weinstein's story actually proves her point If you look at it over years instead of months. IIRC, the actress that went to the NYPD was Fillipina, and her story was dropped by the DA and mostly ignored. And then it wasn't picked up again until the story was about Angelina Jolie and Gwenyth Paltrow and Ashley Judd , women who not only are famous themselves, but the children of famous people (which is why referring to them as royalty isn't that facetious).
Pretty much. Black women are constantly treated like trash and when we speak up people basically tell us to be quiet or we aren't saying it 'nice' enough for them. Fuck that.
It's more like shame on society for prioritizing white womens suffering over women of color suffering. In American society, race is so integrated into everything that it's impossible - and I'd say disingenuous- to try and separate it from other issues.
How this dude can continue to go on with his shit as if nothing happened still boggles my mind.
Not exactly a secret that she was raped.
Three have been named in this thread alone. Not successfully, but they definitely tried it.
Yep. White feminism has always been a problem.
Edit - Hell, there is always an element of most progressive movements where there are white people use and abuse minorities, not always treating them equally or stepping up to the plate for them as they should.
RastaMentality's been on point the entire thread. Even today I find a lot of white feminist figures are quick to dismiss or outright ignore the problems faced by coloured women. It's definitely not a great look. I consider myself a feminist, and I see this as something that has to change - especially in a place like Canada (Where I currently reside), where many young 2nd generation immigrants, women especially are facing a sort of cultural diaspora.
I take her point but labeling the accusers in these cases as Hollywood royalty I think is really shitty, especially since the vast majority of them simply aren't. Rose McGowan isn't Hollywood royalty. The comics who accused Louis aren't royalty (in fact, they're relative nobodies *because* of how they were intimidated out of jobs by Louis' manager). The women who have launched accusations against Al Franken and Matt Lauer and a half-dozen NPR hosts are not royalty. These women have been silenced for so long strictly because they were not big enough to be listened to in the first place!
And while I think Union's writings on rape and empowering survivors' voices are important (and also actually well-written) I still think it's bullshit the way she effectively looked the other way on Nate Parker with "well I guess we can never really know what happened." If you took that stance on every he said/she said case, well, we'd be right back where we started.
Weinstein denied raping anyone. It's not like he said he raped everyone BUT the black women who accused him.
And while I think Union's writings on rape and empowering survivors' voices are important (and also actually well-written) I still think it's bullshit the way she effectively looked the other way on Nate Parker with "well I guess we can never really know what happened." If you took that stance on every he said/she said case, well, we'd be right back where we started.
Weinstein denied raping anyone. It's not like he said he raped everyone BUT the black women who accused him.
This is not a new complaint. Feminism original roots were from women of class and privilege. Since then it's been a battle. Moreover, women in the lower socioeconomic ladder and women of color have been voiceless for a long time. Additionally, many women in those demographics can't relate much to the issues presented by White feminism. Many of them are stuck in pink collar jobs, are single parents, struggle with poverty and so on. They simply have bigger problems and they find the discussion around white feminism not something they can relate with.
It's not to say the issues that white feminist bring up are not valid. It's more to say the concerns of other women are not on the table for discussion. I don't think it's malicious, but there's a wold of difference between a white woman who is trying to make law partner at her firm and a single mother woman of color working two pink collar jobs. Both face issues with sexism but in different ways.
It's not to say the issues that white feminist bring up are not valid. It's more to say the concerns of other women are not on the table for discussion. I don't think it's malicious, but there's a wold of difference between a white woman who is trying to make law partner at her firm and a single mother woman of color working two pink collar jobs. Both face issues with sexism but in different ways.
When it comes to the minorities the "everyone will benefit anyway" angle often results in minorities being left behind.
And here it is. The whelp reply. Black women need to just wait their turn right? This line of thinking is just ridiculous.
I look at this topic
Then I look at the topic on Murray Miller and his lawyers lying about Aurora Perrineau. Days late to being created. 45 minutes old. Already lmost off the front page at the time of writing this post.
Yep, this article totally doesn't know what it's talking about./s
Then I look at the topic on Murray Miller and his lawyers lying about Aurora Perrineau. Days late to being created. 45 minutes old. Already lmost off the front page at the time of writing this post.
Yep, this article totally doesn't know what it's talking about./s
This is literally what's she's talking about. When it comes to matters that'll, "Help all people," minorities are kinda forgotten about.
This is also a compaint about of lot of things that people tend to forget about. Its like when movies or TV shows are applauded for getting a diverse cast when its just adding a few black people, as a brown person I feel like we are left in the dust.
Every social movement needs a reminder that there are minorities within the minorities, and on that very principle they should support them all.
Yes. Gabriel Union has basically been the black voice of transparency when it comes to sexual trauma.
In recent months she has reminded us that she was raped while working at a Payless shoe store. Indeed, that was an old story but because she's black, nobody really remembered.
She has also discussed her struggles as a woman suffering from infertility....