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Game of Thrones fans petition for HBO to remake season 8 following controversial episode
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So, when are we expecting these Game of Thrones "fans" to turn into full-on Star Wars TLJ jerkoffs and being harassing the actors for storylines they didn't write? An hour or two after tomorrow's finale? Or will they give it a couple of days?
What happens when this petition goes absolutely nowhere, is never acknowledged by anyone of importance and it becomes clear that these "fans" are never going to get their way?
What happens when this petition goes absolutely nowhere, is never acknowledged by anyone of importance and it becomes clear that these "fans" are never going to get their way?
New Batman petition(there are multiple already), new star wars petition........there will be a new flavor of the month.
Most people I've seen have been very supportive of the actors, many of whom have themselves expressed discontent.
I don't think 95% of people signing this petition actually think the season could or would be remade. It's just a tool by which to aggregate displeasure in a quantifiable sense.
I imagine we can all agree that any form of harassment is wrong, period. Trying to conflate everyone expressing or signing their criticism with said abusers is stupidly disingenuous, though.
I'm hopeful it doesn't happen for a few reasons. I think they are different audiences, not that there isn't overlap. I don't know that GOT fans are as "die-hard" or whatever, Star Wars has been around for like 40 years. People also still have the books to see what happens there, GOT is kind of an ancillary thing to the books, maybe people see it as less of the "definitive" version.
It's def going to follow D&D around forever. Hopefully all that comes from it is maybe some fan edits or writing or people remaking it in some B-movie fashion. To me, GOT is a landmark series as far as how many people are watching but I don't see it having much of a huge life outside of it ending, I don't think there will be GOT conventions or anything for years to come, it's more of a moment thing than an enduring legacy.
Its actually worse IMO. But I am not silly enouph to support a stupid idea like a petition.
Exactly, I've been watching a bunch a YouTube videos and a lot of channels are very disappointed in the writing but pretty much all of them are praising the actors, set designers, Ramin Djawadi, etc.... Same goes for my friends.
And all of those people have legit done a fantastic job.
Of course there's going to be some people that are going to go over the line, it wouldn't be surprise me. But demonising the 1 million people who have signed this so far is short sighted as hell.
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Just about everyone is praising the actors and production crew. Not their fault. Everyone knows that. Even r/FreeFolk has been showing nothing but support for them. The petition page even linked Emilia Clarke's charity "SameYou" and asked people to donate to her cause. The writers on the other hand are getting mauled. Freefolk is digging up all this dirt on them. They ( the writers) really do seem like total douche bags.
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/c...he_hate_they_get_its/?st=jvud6u7o&sh=85196325
The petition doesnt even matter, what AT&T ( HBO's new owner) need to worry about is what damage this does to the next series, merchandising, and their new streaming service.
They are going to cry into their khaleesi t-shirts, before burning them like King's Landing.
Everything not Luke, Rey or Kylo is horrible. So its 1/3rd of a good movie.
Takes things a bit too literally in order to pontificate. Sorry — you know what's healthier for culture? For straight white men who put out sexist, racist, homophobic and all around poor writing to fail ever upward, embraced to steer the future of major pop cultural franchises.
It's not a bad thing that HBO are getting bad PR for this debacle, and it's also not a bad thing on the unlikely off-chance that it makes Disney reconsider their hiring practices. This isn't really fans having misplaced "expectations," it's fans rightfully indignant that they invested a decade of attention and money into something, only for it to end in such an unnecessarily rushed manner, with the writers basically ejaculating on to a paper and calling it a script.
Harassment is unhealthy. Signing a petition is simply a statement — and in this case, the statement shouldn't be taken literally. People don't think HBO will actually remake anything, but asking them drives home just how dissatisfied a shocking amount of their subscribers are with this situation.
This i agree with.
I Think a lot of people vote for different reasons though. But a signal to show you're unhappy with such rushed content is a good thing. Not sure this petition is the best way. But since it gets so much attention, maybe it is. I'm having a hard time judging people's sincerity still. And that won't change, knowing people. But your post makes me rethink my stance on this thing. As a signal it certainly works right now. Of course, we'll now get petitions for every fart. Like the leading role for Batman....
What I like about the article is how they say that a story is not a two-way conversation, but a statement. Creators should absolutely be criticized and be held accountable for their work, but asking for it to be destroyed and/or revised is really not the right signal to show you're unhappy with the handling of a story.
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This, I've long argued against the idea of these "remake" ideas and, despite my frustration at the Mass Effect 3 ending, was confused and annoyed that they actually went and retconned it because I feel like it indicates a total lack of confidence in your storytelling ideas. I signed this petition not because I literally want them to remake GoT or even think that it's possible, but simply because it took ten seconds of my time to demonstrate how frustrated I am in how this played out. They made their shitty bed and now they need to lie in it, but that doesn't mean we can't express metaphorical frustration by signing the petition anyway.
Actually a terrible article that conveniently misses the point that this is about sending a message not actually remaking the season. It is a much easier position to ignore the nuance of this situation and to take the petition literally. Very disingenuous.
In order for it to be a two way conversation D&D needs to contribute, which I don't believe they have done. I don't want to say they owe people an explanation, they don't, but there can't be any moving forward with conversation unless they talk about why they made the decisions they did and acknowledge the frustration of some fans.
Sending a message about what? They are done with the show. They can't change anything to appease the haters now. Yelling to artists about how much you hate their work is not sending a message. Cancel your HBO and don't watch the finale if you want to send a message.
Two solid messages off the top of my head. For networks to not enable the rushing of a final season just because the writers want to move on to the next project and to writers that emphasize vapid shocking moments over everything else. There are many lessons that are being learned by this horrible season. I think writers everywhere are taking notes and so are networks.
As for my HBO sub unfortunately I'm paid for the month but I'll be cancelling soon enough, most people will be whether they like the show or not simply because the show is over so I'm not sure that sends much of a message.
Actually, it does send a message — hence all the embarrassing media coverage for them and for HBO. It tells them not to let showrunners torpedo their shows into the ground with half the number of seasons HBO offered, in spectacularly misogynistic fashion at that.
Best case scenario, it would make Disney more cautious in their future dealings with these dumbasses.
There's no nuance here, just one of the dumbest fandoms currently going continuing to be petty and dumb
So many notes being taken...
Most watched episode ever last week.
More viewers this week.
But, yes. That petition that <5% of viewers signed is REALLY making waves.
Sad!
Most watched episode ever last week.
More viewers this week.
But, yes. That petition that <5% of viewers signed is REALLY making waves.
Sad!
For every show that feels rushed to the end there are 10 the dragged on way too fucking long just because they were making a lot of money and should have been ended sooner. They certainly didn't get the pacing perfect the last two seasons, but wrapping up an epic story - which you signed on to adapt not write the ending to - is really fucking hard (ask GRRM) Maybe try being a bit empathetic to people who have worked their asses off to finish this story and have delivered a season that has had some pretty amazing moments even if it hasn't been perfect.
I know you really like the season and have seen you post a lot defending it so I'm not gonna go back and forth again accept that I disagree. "They certainly didn't get the pacing perfect the last two seasons" is the understatement of the year.
I also think the angle you are now taking that we are not empathetic because people worked hard on the show so I shouldn't criticize, is a cheap tactic. D&D are all about "moments" but I can't think of any good ones that weren't derived from terrible contrivances. So ya I disagree with your post entirely but that's ok.
If the only intent was to voice displeasure then it wouldn't have been a petition to reshoot the entirety of season 8. That's plain old revisionism. The intent is stated right there plain as day in the petition. Hell if it were a petition with just the statement 'a message to HBO' or thereabouts then the claim that it's just sending a message about our collective displeasure would be true. As it stands it just had to have that controlling, possessive bit thrown in there, and by bit I mean the whole point of the thing.
I understand what you're getting at. But the point that is made in the article is not that fan shouldn't "send a message", it's that this exact kind of message is actually toxic and unhealthy.
And signing a petition that has the title "Remake Game of Thrones Season 8 with competent writers", with a statement like "This series deserves a final season that makes sense" in its explanation is not actually about remaking the season? It's a bit weird, don't you think? I think the message sent to them should be clarified if there is any hope for it to be understood.
I'll requote this from the Polygon article because I believe it's very true:
But a story is NOT a conversation, that's the point.
There is a difference between criticism and what this petition is. I worry that people can't see that. Even you said the goal was sending a message to artists and future employers of those artists- that isn't criticism, that is a crusade.
Seriously, at the end of the day this is a TV show. It's an ancillary product to the original and you still have the source. To get this riled up over it instead of just admitting it sucked and move on is really sad. Stop making pop culture such a core part of your identity.
You can actually worry less because I suspect the SW trilogy will be a better product now that D&D realize the importance of things making sense and that they can't just say a character "forgot" when they need to contrive a dire situation. Every prominent happening in the past two episodes derived from Dany "forgetting about the Iron fleet" LOL!
Fans show their pleasure or displeasure with stories all the time. If they choose to make no changes or explanations, that is their decision, but there is no harm in politely making it known the desire for it is there.
It is not toxic to sign a petition, it is one of the more benign and passive ways to get a point across.
I don't know that someone taking less than a minute to sign a petition is necessarily being "riled up".
And people say GOT Season 8 has poor writing that doesn't make any sense...
I think the other decision makers for SW will certainly not be as hands off with D&D in light of how much GoT deteriorated. This could be good or bad depending on who they have to answer to. Had D&D knocked it out of the park and made a terrific final season cementing the show as one of the greatest ever they would have had cart blanche to do whatever they want with the next SW trilogy. I doubt they get that kind of leeway after what they just produced. Or the people running SW are out to lunch also and we get a trilogy with everyone forgetting shit. "This force user fell to the enemy because he forgot how to use a lightsaber."
I don't think the same is gonna happen mainly because most of the angry game of thrones fans that are upset have a key difference then the TLJ fans. They are mad about Danny's character being handled poorly. Whether people want to admit it or not Danny was a character that resonated with large portions of female audiences. She was someone that empowered women to think of themselves as leaders of armies, liberators of cities, and a friend to the underclass. To have her go against these very key parts of her character is what most fans have a problem with.
The reason why this is different then The Last Jedi is because most of the criticism for it can be co-oped by right leaning commentators. The right was always gonna be upset about Rose and Finn even if their story was written in a better way. I remember when the first trailer for The Force Awakens dropped and people were already mad because Finn was black and the new main character was a girl. This runs counter to the main criticism of game of thrones because the right can't find a way to message it as beneficial to them. They don't care that Danny's story has an unsatisfactory ending because they don't want her story to be a thing to begin with.
I personally haven't seen anyone attack the actors in anyway about the last season. Seen more people raise their criticisms as opposed to criticize them. But that's just my opinion. I personally hope I'm right though.
I agree with your thoughts and like this post. However I have seen posters on this forum complaining about Jon "no longer being the lead" and not having a traditional Hero's Journey. We may get people who have that type of criticism take over the direction of the toxicity.
Yeah. There could be a more clear signal than this petition probably.
If anything, this season has resulted in more compliments for the actors than there have been in recent seasons.
Most of them are couched in "they are doing a good job trying to sell shitty material", but still
Most of them are couched in "they are doing a good job trying to sell shitty material", but still
Make sure no one leaves the polling booth without signing my petition for a Matsuno/Itou/Yoshida-led Final Fantasy XVI