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Game of Thrones S8, Apr 14-May 19 @9PM EDT |OT| Aunt-Man and the Frost

Oct 26, 2017
15,426
Possible things for Bran to say to Jaime:

"You said you would shoot my uncle's baby into Riverrun with a catapult."

"You pushed me out of a window."

"You strangled your own cousin to death."

"You offered Roose Bolton a deal in exchange for stabbing my brother."

"You raped your sister in front of your son's corpse."

"You stabbed Jory Cassell through the eye."

"You crippled my father."
Jaime:
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,781
Sam's motivations make the most sense in the show because he's always trusted Jon and Jon alone. Now he's stuck in a place where Jon is the only person he can trust, and feels obligated to give him the best advice because he knows what is at stake. Sam feels obligated to repay the many times his friend has helped him. He also feels Jon is the greatest leader and has no reason to trust Daenerys.

Daenerys should not be villainized with 50 year old events that have nothing to do with her, but she also shouldn't be trusted implicitly just because Jon does. It's a complicated situation which needs resolution quickly and based on this episode, the resolution isn't going to be a happy one.

Did they not hire the Lord Glover actor for season 8?
 

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,688
Phoenix, AZ
Arya seems to have come back from the brink there. She seemed to be on the verge of it, but reuniting with her family seems to have rekindled her humanity.
It was cute seeing her being cold to Gendry at first, cuz thats what she has become, but slowly got more friendly and personable. I hope they continue on the path of making her more well-rounded and not just a cold killer. We don't need two emotionless Starks.
 
Oct 27, 2017
773
Danny acting nice to Sansa..
Bran “ We don’t have time for all this”

I burst out laughing at this for some reason. Not sure why, but Bran has become such a hilarious character for me.

Then of course the scene at the end
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
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Oct 25, 2017
25,064
It was cute seeing her being cold to Gendry at first, cuz thats what she has become, but slowly got more friendly and personable. I hope they continue on the path of making her more well-rounded and not just a cold killer. We don't need two emotionless Starks.
It kinda feels like she left her humanity behind on her trip to Braavos, and the longer she spends time back home and with people she knows, the more the old Arya seems to come back. I'm sure she'll never be a goofy little kid again, but her humanity makes her far more interesting to me than just "emotionless ninja Arya".
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,267
What if....

Bran decides to tell Jamie of Cersei's plot to hire Bronn to murder him and Tyrion? Could Bran, working on Jamie's guilt and his desire to be honorable for once, turn Jamie and Tyrion against Cersei? What is Jamie going to do anyway? He has no real choice but to join the Northerners, since Cersei wants him dead now. They'll know if Jamie lies or not - Bran already knows the answers to any questions they ask him.



Honestly though....

Bran fucking knows EVERYTHING. That ability he has as the Three-Eyed Raven sorta makes everything a predetermined setup. He can manipulate anything he wants by revealing everyone's plots, conspiracies and past discretions.

He outed Littlefinger. He tells Dany and Jon about their dragon being turned, the wall falling, etc... He saw the marriage ceremony of Rhaegar & Lyanna and the Tower of Joy and Ned taking baby Jon/Aegon.

He can take control of animals or weak-minded humans and see through their eyes and even give them basic commands.

The only thing he doesn't know is the Night King's intentions because the Night King doesn't verbally communicate anything to anyone. All Bran can see is his location.

Everything just comes down to how well they can try to disrupt and stop the Night King. Everything else with King's Landing has probably been foiled already.
 

B-Dubs

The Mad Titan
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Oct 25, 2017
13,113
What if....

Bran decides to tell Jamie of Cersei's plot to hire Bronn to murder him and Tyrion? Could Bran, working on Jamie's guilt and his desire to be honorable for once, turn Jamie and Tyrion against Cersei? What is Jamie going to do anyway? He has no real choice but to join the Northerners, since Cersei wants him dead now. They'll know if Jamie lies or not - Bran already knows the answers to any questions they ask him.



Honestly though....

Bran fucking knows EVERYTHING. That ability he has as the Three-Eyed Raven sorta makes everything a predetermined setup. He can manipulate anything he wants by revealing everyone's plots, conspiracies and past discretions.

He outed Littlefinger. He tells Dany and Jon about their dragon being turned, the wall falling, etc... He saw the marriage ceremony of Rhaegar & Lyanna and the Tower of Joy and Ned taking baby Jon/Aegon.

He can take control of animals or weak-minded humans and see through their eyes and even give them basic commands.

The only thing he doesn't know is the Night King's intentions because the Night King doesn't verbally communicate anything to anyone. All Bran can see is his location.

Everything just comes down to how well they can try to disrupt and stop the Night King. Everything else with King's Landing has probably been foiled already.
What if he doesn't survive the battle with the Night King though?
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,005
What if....

Bran decides to tell Jamie of Cersei's plot to hire Bronn to murder him and Tyrion? Could Bran, working on Jamie's guilt and his desire to be honorable for once, turn Jamie and Tyrion against Cersei? What is Jamie going to do anyway? He has no real choice but to join the Northerners, since Cersei wants him dead now. They'll know if Jamie lies or not - Bran already knows the answers to any questions they ask him.
Bran can save Jaime from any punishment by telling everyone why he killed the mad king. I assume that will come out and cast further doubt on the fitness of Dany to rule. Selmy told Dany her father was shitty, but she doesn't know about the wildfire plot afaik.
 

B-Dubs

The Mad Titan
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Oct 25, 2017
13,113
Bran can save Jaime from any punishment by telling everyone why he killed the mad king. I assume that will come out and cast further doubt on the fitness of Dany to rule. Selmy told Dany her father was shitty, but she doesn't know about the wildfire plot afaik.
Remember that Tyrion already told Dany about all of that when she wanted to burn two cities into ash, which makes her reaction to Jamie showing up a bit more interesting.
 
Nov 24, 2018
809
Arya seems to have come back from the brink there. She seemed to be on the verge of it, but reuniting with her family seems to have rekindled her humanity.
Nah, her first stop back was to kill that River lord guy (I can't be assed to remember names). I really hope she drops some big names.

We've seen she can disguise herself perfectly, and she can easily best a top-tier swordsman triple her size. I want to see what else she's capable of now. She's been my favorite character since the beginning...I need to see her final form.
 
Oct 27, 2017
8,370
The idiot part comes from apparently not expecting retaliation from the Starks before coming to Winterfell. I guess it just slipped his mind that he attempted to murder Bran.

Then there's Dany probably not being all that cool with him killing his father.

Good luck, Jaime. What is he even doing here, besides coming to the gathering of the heroes.
If Jaime makes it out of that courtroom alive, it will be nothing more than a Lord of Light miracle.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
25,064
Nah, her first stop back was to kill that River lord guy (I can't be assed to remember names). I really hope she drops some big names.

We've seen she can disguise herself perfectly, and she can easily best a top-tier swordsman triple her size. I want to see what else she's capable of now. She's been my favorite character since the beginning...I need to see her final form.
Walder Frey is the man who ruined her life, at least after Joffrey. Of course she'd go after him. Her list is pretty much burnt out these days aside from Cersei.
 
Oct 28, 2017
9,333
Possible things for Bran to say to Jaime:

"You said you would shoot my uncle's baby into Riverrun with a catapult."

"You pushed me out of a window."

"You strangled your own cousin to death."

"You offered Roose Bolton a deal in exchange for stabbing my brother."

"You raped your sister in front of your son's corpse."

"You stabbed Jory Cassell through the eye."

"You crippled my father."
Omg. I forget how much heinous shit he's done lol.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,267
Nah, her first stop back was to kill that River lord guy (I can't be assed to remember names). I really hope she drops some big names.

We've seen she can disguise herself perfectly, and she can easily best a top-tier swordsman triple her size. I want to see what else she's capable of now. She's been my favorite character since the beginning...I need to see her final form.
Walder Frey of the Red Wedding fame.
 

B-Dubs

The Mad Titan
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Oct 25, 2017
13,113
If Jaime makes it out of that courtroom alive, it will be nothing more than a Lord of Light miracle.
There's a lot of people in that room that could save him. You think Jon would be ok with killing him once he finds out why he killed the Mad King?

EDIT: I have a feeling this is what's going to set him against Dany. He'd probably see killing the Mad King as the only right move in that situation, he's the type who would want someone next to him willing to stop him if he ever tried something like that. Dany, on the other hand, is afraid of such things.
 
Oct 29, 2017
4,032
So, what do you guys thing the odds are we'll get a scene where the dragons 'choose' Jon over Dany? I think it's quite high after this episode. I don't know the context, it can be anything from staying with him when she leaves, or even refusing her orders to torch him... but I feel like it's coming.
I think thinking dragons have a soft spot for Targaryens is foolish. If they do, it's only because they want to burn stuff to death. Jon is a poor match. I felt Drogon was death-staring Jon. Drogon is all about Fire & Blood, and I think if Dany is pulled away from that he won't be happy. But it's difficult to read a CG dragon's expression.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,776
I don't think he's an idiot, I think Jaime is willing to die for his principles that he's trying to live up to. He made a vow to help, so now he's going to do it, even if it puts him in danger.

Going from selfish to selfless has been his whole character arc.
That’s the way I seen it. He doesn’t care what happens honestly
If Jaime makes it out of that courtroom alive, it will be nothing more than a Lord of Light miracle.
he will have defenders.
-Tyrion
-Brianne
- John ( probably )
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,267
The only people in Winterfell who would vouch for Jamie are Tyrion and Brienne.

-and Bran, if he chooses to expose Cersei's plot to have him killed. That would make him the "enemy of my enemy is my frenemy" type of guy.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,419
Jaquen will kill Arya. It is known.

Bran will surf the internet and watch porn for the rest of his life, unless he has visions of another invasion.
 
Mar 25, 2019
71
So, what do you guys thing the odds are we'll get a scene where the dragons 'choose' Jon over Dany? I think it's quite high after this episode. I don't know the context, it can be anything from staying with him when she leaves, or even refusing her orders to torch him... but I feel like it's coming.
I don't think it'll ever quite come to that. Jon & Dany are definitely going to have it out over what she did to Randyl and Dickon Tarly, but I think the battle with the White Walkers will happen before they have a chance to say anything that can't be taken back. Something will definitely change permanently about their relationship, but I don't think it will result in an all-out war between them.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,267
To be fair, he could be in on Cersei's plan to betray them. Remember that look he gave Jon and Dany at the end of season 7 after his meeting with Cersei.
Yea, but Sansa planted that seed of doubt in Tyrion's head when she told him he wasn't the cleverest man she ever knew anymore - right after he brought up her being pregnant and having something to fight for.
 
Oct 29, 2017
4,032
Tyrion can't stay much longer in Winterfell. No one is listening to him, and he is about to be extremely wrong about having said publicly that Cersei should be trusted and that the Lannisters coming are coming to help. I wouldn't be surprised if when Bronn shows up, he asks him to get him out of there. But little does he know he can't go back home...
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,289
Does anyone know if Daario is going to be in this final season or is his character just done?
Really curious if he's going to be bitter as fuck.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,393
Tyrion can't stay much longer in Winterfell. No one is listening to him, and he is about to be extremely wrong about having said publicly that Cersei should be trusted and that the Lannisters coming are coming to help. I wouldn't be surprised if when Bronn shows up, he asks him to get him out of there. But little does he know he can't go back home...
Like Sansa said, Tyrion used to be the most intelligent. Not sure what happened between the last season and now, but I’m baffled as to how he would just trust Cersei’s word.
 
Jun 14, 2018
2,871
Tyrion can't stay much longer in Winterfell. No one is listening to him, and he is about to be extremely wrong about having said publicly that Cersei should be trusted and that the Lannisters coming are coming to help. I wouldn't be surprised if when Bronn shows up, he asks him to get him out of there. But little does he know he can't go back home...
He’s def missed lately... can he redeem himself?
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like Sansa said, Tyrion used to be the most intelligent. Not sure what happened between the last season and now, but I’m baffled as to how he would just trust Cersei’s word.
Tyrion seems to be so desperate to salvage SOMETHING of his family that he's willing to let himself go completely genre-blind with hope.
 
Nov 1, 2017
824
Yeah that was a pretty unspectacular way to reveal that location, even if it was sacked.
I know, right? I was honestly confused for a bit after that scene. The last time we saw Tormund, Beric, and those members of the Nightswatch was at Eastwatch while it was falling to the ice dragon. I was all “oh cool! These guys survived and are trying to get out of The Wall.” Then we see little Umber strung up, and i’m all “How....in the fuck did this kid end up at The Wall? Did the Night King kill him then fly his dead ass back to Eastwatch?”
 
Mar 25, 2019
71
Just remembering that Bronn scene is making me embarrassed

It was like a parody of Game of Thrones T&A
I was really hoping there would be a scene with Jaime on his way to Winterfell, and Bronn canters up next to him nonchalantly. He says something like "Well, you're sisters not about to give me any castles" or something of the like