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Game of Thrones S8, Apr 14-May 19 @9PM EDT |OT| Aunt-Man and the Frost
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They're literally valuable hostages that Dany can exchange with Cersei for Ellaria Sand and her daughter.
You don't murder your prisoners especially high value ones.
Put them in prison for life if you have to.
From what I remember Dance of the Dragons pretty much goes over this kind of issue. Where Rhaenyra was supposed to be crowned the successor but Aegon contested it. In the case, it's pretty much as you say, it's basically down to who conquers the other. The whole reason Westeros is in a huge mess at the moment partly due to legitimacy and fighting over it. The War didn't just start with the Mad King but Rhaegar as well so it's not like being a son of one is better than the other given Rhaegar literally is Mad King's son. Even the inspiration of the series War of Roses (recently watched white princess recently which was fantastic) kind of has a similar situation where Henry has the least legitimacy to the throne, his marriage to Elizabeth is what strengths his claims against Edward who would be kind of like a situation of Aegon in GOT.
As for the talks about the execution of Tarly and parallelisms to Aery's, Daenerys didn't in fact burn the Tarly's in a similar way to Aerys which people tend to just completely miss. Aery's was completely mad because he didn't offer fair trial by combat by using wildfire all because of threat his son made against Rhaegar (not an open rebellion or battle) and then proceeded to ask for Roberts and Ned's Head completely unrelated to the situation. Daenerys had been willing to give to options at the advice of Tyrion bending the knee or taking the Black both which Tarly refused. We're talking about a house that has twice broke their oaths, first time bending the knee to Robert and second time when the Tarly's basically wiped out the last of the Tyrells who happen to have been Daenery's own allies. The Tarly's at this point are the most dangerous to Daenerys willing to betray their oaths, allegiances, refusing to bend the knee and basically wiping them out if necessary. That's someone you don't keep around as a prisoner in the same way Jon didn't keep around Ramsay as prisoner. She weighed the options which would lead to least likelihood of resistance because keeping a prisoner refusing to surrender when the cause is clearly lost shows a position of weakness which she can't afford after three massive failures because she listened to Tyrion in the first place.
I mean, in ASOIAF, it's a grey area with so many different justification which were deemed right. How is Janos begging for his life and executed because he disrespected Jon snow's leadership anymore justification than executing Tarly who murdered your allies and given option would rather die. Ramsay was also in a way a prisoner of war as well. Tarly isn't on his level but it takes one morally corrupt character to side with Cersei after blowing up half of King's Landing and all the other actions he's done. It's just weird after seeing all the actions of what the Lannisters and Allies are done, people are nitpicking which execution was more deserved than the other when they're the same enemies just because of a different character. I mean, Arya just murdered more people within the same time frame.
At the very least, there's one clan in the north that should be cheering. The Karstarks lol.
His motivation as has been described a bunch is that he wants to kill everyone.
I'm good. If he lives on with Ghost however...
Sounds like it's on you for reading leaks
they haven't really shown any Stark being able to warg besides Bran in the show. I don't think thats going to start now.
...as if Dany or Cercei would care about that at this point.
They had no value to Dany - she still gave them a way out. Which they refused.
It doesnt get any clearer - we had many people from powerful houses die in this show and they rarely got this kind option to survive when they opposed the more powerful person with a claim to the throne. They knew the consequences, still expecting prisoners in Westeros after so many years....from the Dragon Queen is beyond stupid.
This x 100
Ghost isn't big enough for her to ride though (unless he's grown exponentially in the years since we last saw him. We Princess Mononoke now?! :O)
I know, I assumed they were joking to begin with lol
Why does a dead woman need to ride anything ;D
Lets hope their is more to him then that.
What can i say i have a curious mind.
My sincere apologies.
the title of the thread should be
Game of Thrones S8, Apr 14-May 19 @9PM EDT |OT| Whatever you do, don't listen to Ether_Snake
You are applying 20th century concepts ("prisoners of war") to Middle Ages-inspired Westeros. They fought and ended up on the losing side. Do you remember what happened to the losing side for 7 seasons? The fact that Daenerys even offered them to bend the knee in exchange for their life was overly generous because they and the Lannisters would never do that for her.
I could just be misreading it, but are you speculating that
Dany might have a special purpose? Like being the Lord of Light on earth or something like that?
Dany is playing the meta. The real purpose of that flying sequence with Jon was to take away the elephants out of the game.
Aside from needlessly long dragon riding scene and Theon's super easy rescue of Asha, it was a solid episode.
The earned reunions outwayed the more fan-fictiony parts.
The earned reunions outwayed the more fan-fictiony parts.
If the Lannisters start having all their prisoners raped then Daenerys should too? You're setting the bar low.
And, yes, I am applying 20th century concepts because I was born at the close of the 20th century. You can view things through a 20th century lens when you read a medieval story and rightfully call it out for being fucked up.
I'm not saying I don't understand that ruthlessness isn't par of the course. I'm just calling a square a square.
But regardless, you don't generally murder nobles who are prisoners of war because they're useful to keep around whether it be ransoms or for exchanges of prisoners.
If you murder your prisoners then the other side might murder their prisoners too in retaliation.
Not a fan of the continued bitter and jealous Sansa. Yes, she probably should have been handed Queen of the North over Jon, but she was the one who threw it at him in the first place so she could have Winterfell from what I recall. All this talk from Arya how Sansa's the smartest individual and all, and yet she's trying to flex her intrigue muscles among the North's court because Jon has a beautiful queen at his side, dragons, and possibly everything else she dreamed to have when she was stuck in her fairy tales and pining for Joffrey. It of course is a smart play taken from Cercei's and Littlefinger's books, but only if you ignore the whole reason they are attempting to amass the North. The only smart aspect on display from her was in cutting down Tyrion, who like-wise has lost his wits between publicly announcing the Lannister 'alliance' himself to the Northern court and in trusting Cercei.
Everything else was fairly solid. Good reunions all around, including the silent one at the end between Bran and Jaime. The Theon's breakout of Yara was rather simple, but that could be handwaved as both Euron's and Cercei's arrogance of not expecting a small force to strike the ships for a single prisoner. There's been far worse done in the show with not even a logical explanation to be inferred of them. Same with Cercei and Bronn. A bit odd knowing Bronn and the two are rather close beyond a working relationship, but Cercei is banking on the mercenary-side that Bronn makes no secret of. Just from her p.o.v., it's a pretty solid play.
Edd being alive is great, and it will be a welcome for him, Beric, and Tormund to be a part of everything still. Wasn't keen on the message left, as it isn't something that anyone was already unaware of (except maybe Arya, Sansa, Lyanna, and the one dude who was standing by Lyanna). It was a tense, creepy scene though, so props there.
The time before the battle hits will be interesting. Much of the North dislikes Daenerys and turning against Jon. Jaime Lannister is arriving to not only face Daenerys for killing her father, King Aerys V, but also for his actions against House Stark. His reveal of the planned Lannister betrayal will also put Tyrion in a bad position, and further fragment that of Jon's. Then there's Jon who now knows his lineage and will have to tell Daenerys, who will not take well to suddenly having the claim rug pulled out from underneath her (Despite the fact they're into each other, could marry, and still hold the throne together). So with Sansa trying to play her game against Jon, and Daenerys likely cooling on their relationship, things are going to be rough among them as the dead armies fall upon them.
Everything else was fairly solid. Good reunions all around, including the silent one at the end between Bran and Jaime. The Theon's breakout of Yara was rather simple, but that could be handwaved as both Euron's and Cercei's arrogance of not expecting a small force to strike the ships for a single prisoner. There's been far worse done in the show with not even a logical explanation to be inferred of them. Same with Cercei and Bronn. A bit odd knowing Bronn and the two are rather close beyond a working relationship, but Cercei is banking on the mercenary-side that Bronn makes no secret of. Just from her p.o.v., it's a pretty solid play.
Edd being alive is great, and it will be a welcome for him, Beric, and Tormund to be a part of everything still. Wasn't keen on the message left, as it isn't something that anyone was already unaware of (except maybe Arya, Sansa, Lyanna, and the one dude who was standing by Lyanna). It was a tense, creepy scene though, so props there.
The time before the battle hits will be interesting. Much of the North dislikes Daenerys and turning against Jon. Jaime Lannister is arriving to not only face Daenerys for killing her father, King Aerys V, but also for his actions against House Stark. His reveal of the planned Lannister betrayal will also put Tyrion in a bad position, and further fragment that of Jon's. Then there's Jon who now knows his lineage and will have to tell Daenerys, who will not take well to suddenly having the claim rug pulled out from underneath her (Despite the fact they're into each other, could marry, and still hold the throne together). So with Sansa trying to play her game against Jon, and Daenerys likely cooling on their relationship, things are going to be rough among them as the dead armies fall upon them.
Why couldn't Dany just apologise, even if she didn't mean it?
My boy Sam just fell apart, man that was hard to watch.
My boy Sam just fell apart, man that was hard to watch.
Yeah I know. The times and distances in the show just confuse me.
well you could argue they didn't attempt going to the wall until then because they needed the extra army at Hardhome, and they were waiting for the dragon to make a passage (the NK probably has foresight similar to Bran).
They are going from the wall to Winterfell in 2 episodes which is pretty fast all things considered.
Arya is weird too. Probably mad how badly she gets out-weirded by Bran though.
Screen Junkie just released a recap, it's pretty solid. It's one hour long but worth the watch and fast paced.
shame it took a whole episode to inform jon of his lineage
coulda saved us that corny dragon ride and another cringe incest scene.
other than that, it was alright.
coulda saved us that corny dragon ride and another cringe incest scene.
other than that, it was alright.
Yeah she comes off very badly, a proxy of her father in his absence to be honest. I could see Bronn using the crossbow on Dany at this point when she tries to go all Aerys II next week trying to kill Jaime and Tyrion.
yikes
really just waiting for the big fights and the ending at this point. dialogue/character interactions used to be such a massive draw for me.
like who here really buys the jon/dany relationship. feels like they've barely developed it and all of a sudden... love!
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