Neither are Mary Sues, both have been shown struggling and failing, and Jon fails and fucks up more than any living character has gotten through.
Which makes the way they did that kill scene so annoying.
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Game of Thrones S8, Apr 14-May 19 @9PM EDT |OT| Aunt-Man and the Frost
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Which makes the way they did that kill scene so annoying.
Again, you're being ridiculously reductionist and dismissive.
There has been genuine, well argued critique throughout this thread.
You've been jouvinile in your responses.
No. That girl is intentionally over the top and I hate it. She has been that way since the series began on that channel and has only gotten worse as the channel has grown. But she is friends with the owner of the Channel/Bar so it doesn't seem to matter. I do my best to ignore her and her friend.
But other than her and her friend I find all the reactions to be rather genuine. the couple at the end of the bar (Captain America and Glasses) are my favorites. They are always pretty spot on with how myself react.
It was a little weird. I hoped the NK would say something, like I'm you from the future. 😂
I am reminded daily why I do no have a Twitter account or use the platform.Arya went through a lot of shit just to be called a "Mary Sue", huh?
Hahaha the "Bran mask" idea would get just as much, if not more criticism. The Night King has his mark on Bran. Why would he fall for Arya in a mask?
At least Arya sneaking up on the WWs in the Godswood is foreshadowed by her sneaking up on Jon in the Godswood.
Finally saw the episode, came here to check on the comments and I'm shocked. People who have complains about this episode because of the books are almost as worse as the Star Wars fans who are so absorbed in the EU that they forgot to enjoy anything.
The episode was a beautiful piece of television and the level of tension kept from beginning to end was incredible. Really amazing.
Better than being elitists about the Others anyhow.
The episode was a beautiful piece of television and the level of tension kept from beginning to end was incredible. Really amazing.
Better than being elitists about the Others anyhow.
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I remembered it existed, but in fact I couldn't remember which name was exactly. But that's precisely because at this point, people uses Mary Sue in general, indistinticly of the genre of the character. It's a much more known term, that made it universal.
Yet we never EVER see those same fucking nerds call male characters mary sues or gary stus when they achieve the impossible or do anything significant in a plot even when it's unearned.
Yes there are people who have fun and enjoy things.
My main thought on the episode is, based on how the episode unfolded there are far too many celebrities still alive.
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Think how easily plot armour was put aside in the books/early episodes.
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Think how easily plot armour was put aside in the books/early episodes.
The NK isn't stupid enough to let white walkers fight Jon when he has a bajillion pounds of canon fodder he can use.
Except... I don't see a single person here arguing that her character didn't deserve it. She absolutely does.
But how it went down wasn't very satisfying at all. And frankly, nonsensical. I know you have to suspend some belief to enjoy the show, but there's a limit here.
But yet, is stupid enough to leave himself vulnerable to an attack without anyone around him to stop it?
That wasn't a real suggestion, I just think the way they handled it was one of the worst possible ways.
Is that...possible? To enjoy and have fun?
Me too. Love Burlington Bar GoT reactions.
Probably. It's just a weak piece of rhetoric people fall back on when they don't know how to express their misgivings about something.
I have followed that channel for years at this point and re-watched all of the episodes at least twice leading up to the new season. As well as dozens of others.
So yes I am king shit of the fuck mountain that is GoT reaction videos lol I love them
If the NK doesn't do anything other than fly around in his storm wind they win. His hubris got the best of him I guess is the take away for the episode. Hubris that was never established since the dude never fucking talked.
lmao
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Agreed with all of this. I'm OK if Jaime gets that kill though.
Oh my fucking GOD
To think there are still folks out there that think Lena Headey can act.
Lol yup
People using Mary Sue in any way unironically should be ignored
Well yeah. The Night King is unfortunately a terrible villain, and hopefully people's largest takeaway is the reminder that he has always been shit.
Hell of a lot people were killed at Winterfell, they were basically defeated.
Nobody liked the named characters that died? I find that hard to believe, I quite liked few of them or just thought them as interesting characters.
Loved this shot. I'll definitely watch this episode with better quality on a full rewatch of the series. Preferably bluray if that is then available.This though
Like the dude turned around, did the white walker equivalent of saying "Fuck off" and people still write scenarios where he gives a fuck about Jon.
Yeah, that was only part that felt forced to me. Only thing I can think of is the whole Dothraki are at their best on an open field thing where they are "supposed to be pretty unbeatable" when they can ride, so it's probably intended to make it even more brutal that they get demolished so easily even while riding. So even if they stood back they probably would have gotten overrun just as quick with no momentum on those horses. Even so it was indeed a confusing opening move since even with the flaming swords they and we still couldn't see exactly what they're riding into, whereas the dragons could have lit things up first (though I guess I also get not playing that card first since NK has his own too).
That said, it was totally probably just for the cool dread building visual of those flame swords going out one after the other.
I could be wrong but while they could have done more I think I saw it shown that they did try to do some preparation like this, at least at the top. I think I remember seeing a bunch of pointy spike-like things probably made of dragonglass at the top of at least several sections of the wall.
Edit: Oh yeah, here we go
Guys it all makes sense now:
This should be hung in the Louvre
I'm typically one to criticize the obsession with main character deaths people have in these big tentpole TV shows, but the plot armor was a bit too obvious in this. The circumstances were so overwhelmingly bleak, so seemingly insurmountable, and so outrageously hellish that it strained the imagination how so many of the main characters survived. I'm not upset. Like I said in a previous post, I try hard to treat the show on its own terms. And when Arya delivered the final blow, it was glorious relief to see some of my favorite characters still standing. But it was difficult to suspend my disbelief, even for a show with dragons, ice zombies, and fire magic.
I too was rather surprised last night to see the complaints but eh, part of the reason im able to broadly enjoy this stuff is i dont sweat the small stuff like a lot of angry fans typically do. I had it completely flipped because i also loved last weeks episode but expected everyone to hate it, while this episode i also loved even more and expected everyone to love it. Can't predict what the angry folk are gonna do all the time. I'm just blessed i can enjoy this stuff i suppose. Im not a pushover or anything as i've actually seen what 'trash' tv really is and will ignore it as such but it does get annoying when you see something like this and it gets dismissed as such from people. Plus the season isn't even over. It's pretty expected though i guess when these types of entertainment pieces get so large with such high expectations, everyone feels entitled to make it their own and it inevitably always ends with disappointment, especially these days with social media signal boosting the hype.
That was one issue was it felt like everyone standing at the end was basically everyone's favorite characters. Im hoping Bran was doing some serious work under the tree to actually save them all. You never know, seemed a bit odd he is warging while everyone is protecting him if all he did was become ravens to view the NK.
I can't speak for all of HBO's services, but HBO Nordic is one of, if not the, worst popular streaming service (that I've used) when it comes to image-quality. The compression kills detail, especially in dark scenes.
Just finished it. I think some segments are some of the best i've seen.
Bit of fan-service and i think they want to give the actors a worthy goodbeye. I really enjoyed it in different ways.
Will have to look at the bluray version due to compression though (the dark bits suffer the most from that). Will be even better.
Bit of fan-service and i think they want to give the actors a worthy goodbeye. I really enjoyed it in different ways.
Will have to look at the bluray version due to compression though (the dark bits suffer the most from that). Will be even better.
Once her fear (very childlike at that) left her and she made the realization of what she must do, she fucking booked it straight to him intent on delivering the killing blow. She got lucky and succeeded.
I don't get the need to have there be more history or foreshadowing towards that. Arya was going to be as effected with the Night King succeeding as anyone else would. He was the embodiment of death, and what do we say to the God of Death?
Before the episode started I was hoping that the heroes would have to retreat south with the Walkers on their toes, but partway through I realized that was not an option. It was either win or die. Jon and Dany made a difference, but in the end gave it their best shot and in the process almost lost it all. NK was careful to not leave himself vulnerable for the most part, pretty much the only chance the living had was somebody going on a suicide run one Arya did.
I don't get the need to have there be more history or foreshadowing towards that. Arya was going to be as effected with the Night King succeeding as anyone else would. He was the embodiment of death, and what do we say to the God of Death?
Before the episode started I was hoping that the heroes would have to retreat south with the Walkers on their toes, but partway through I realized that was not an option. It was either win or die. Jon and Dany made a difference, but in the end gave it their best shot and in the process almost lost it all. NK was careful to not leave himself vulnerable for the most part, pretty much the only chance the living had was somebody going on a suicide run one Arya did.
This episode will benefit from the BluRay release, as yes, as dark as it was definitely can create compression problems.
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