- Jan 24, 2019
But Ned and Sansa still go to Kings Landing
I still think it's very likely that Varys has been leaking the whole time (it would soften the blow of everyone being idiots), but they came up with the plan with everyone in on it at the strategy meeting, Jon was the one who mentioned who was going where iirc.
No, lol. Even if you include Theon, Dany has more chapters than all the Greyjoys combined.TV credits can be super misleading. The writer room works on everything, and the showrunners get final pass even without getting credit. And how do you know about specific writing quality in 5 and 6? All you'd know from spoilers is from basic outline stuff, which is writers room with final say by showrunners.
For me it has been...
So I guess my answer is 'Season 5 as a whole', too.
- Too much Essos
- A lack of Small Council / Adviser scenes (Tyrion/Varys/Davos scenes this season and last have counted)
- Focus on extraneous characters with limited lifespans or that I don't care about (Sand Vipers and Greyjoys)
I had to take massive breaks from reading in books 4 and 5. Too much of a focus on new plots that I'm having a hard time imagining really amount to much by the end. Aren't there more Greyjoy chapters in the books than there are Dany chapters?
Dude anyway they had to move to KL for the fight, all of this would have happened for that, this has nothing to do with Tyrion.
I had not even thought of that but it makes a ton of sense.I still think it's very likely that Varys has been leaking the whole time (it would soften the blow of everyone being idiots), but they came up with the plan with everyone in on it at the strategy meeting, Jon was the one who mentioned who was going where iirc.
It was all very rushed.
For me its clear that after they had their meeting with disney and knew they were gonna be fine after GOT they wanted to end it. Imagine if they took the time to map out the seasons focusing on narrative instead of subversion and expectations...Completely changing showrunners has its own set of problems, people have their own interpretations of story arcs and characters and that can lead to weird shifts in a show's vision
But I really don't understand why D&D didn't delegate more. They're clearly burnt out, and that's understandable, their work load must be insane.
But most shows at this level have huge writing staff. The showrunners plot the season and write a few key scripts, while the bulk of the episodes are often written by others.
Sure there's Bryan Cogman and Dave Hill, and there used to be GRRM and a few others, but generally D&D are much more involved at the micro level of writing scripts than other showrunners. If they had taken a step back there and spent more time on finetuning the plot I think the show would have benefited, especially after they ran out of book material
Yes, I was counting Theon and meant combined. It is pretty close, though, and out of books 4 and 5 the Greyjoys win out (Dany isn't even in book 4, though, so it isn't totally fair).
He’s the dumbest character on the show right now, and the audacity that Varys is plotting treason when Dany has listened to almost every single disastrous plan Tyrion has cooked up, is some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have seen. Tyrion’s council resulted in:
Hey hey hey, Tyrion has made monumental fuckups and should prob lose his job but he isn't treasonous....yetAfter the battle when Cersei and Euron are dead, they're probably going to have Dany execute both Tyrion and Varys, and that will be the thing that makes her a "mad queen". When in reality those two have been awful advisors and are now actively talking about treason.
Jon will sullenly thrust his love with his huge, throbbing, turgid sword, and then be sad and go back up north beyond the wall and reunite with Ghost.
I swear when I have time I'm going to edit a video together showing the show contradicting itself in just these recent seasons. Remember, Daario was left behind by Dany specifically because she knew she'd have to marry someone to make alliances in Westeros. Then when the very first real potential ally presents herself in Jon Snow, The King in the North, and despite being attracted to him, she doesn't suggest the piss easy solution of them getting married. Instead, she complains about him not bending, refuses to listen to his pleas for aid, and then asks him to go on a pointless suicide mission. ALL of that instead of just marrying the dude and immediately bringing the North to her side.He’s the dumbest character on the show right now, and the audacity that Varys is plotting treason when Dany has listened to almost every single disastrous plan Tyrion has cooked up, is some of the most ridiculous bullshit I have seen. Tyrion’s council resulted in:
Daario being left behind when a general of his talents would absolutely have been needed.
The loss of Dorne, Ellaria, and the Sand Snake.
The Loss of the Reach and Olenna Tyrell.
The loss of significant ships from the fleet due to Euron’s surprise attacks in season 7.
The loss of Visarion, Thoros, and the destruction of the wall.
After all that, Varys is adamant that Dany must still play with one hand behind her back. The low collateral options have failed one after the other. Mass civilian casualties have already been inflicted by the enemy in their sacking of High Garden and subsequent looting of the Reach. Why are the lives of the people in KL more valuable than the lives of the people of High Garden?
If Stannis had a dragon or two, would he be sieging KL the conventional way, or would he have used those dragons to tear the place apart? You know he would have destroyed KL from the jump and would have laughed at being told to not use them like Dany was told in season 7. Robert would have also used them.
Nobody makes sense in this show anymore. Every single major character acts out of character and or constantly contradicts themselves.I swear when I have time I'm going to edit a video together showing the show contradicting itself in just these recent seasons. Remember, Daario was left behind by Dany specifically because she knew she'd have to marry someone to make alliances in Westeros. Then when the very first real potential ally presents herself in Jon Snow, The King in the North, and despite being attracted to him, she doesn't suggest the piss easy solution of them getting married. Instead, she complains about him not bending, refuses to listen to his pleas for aid, and then asks him to go on a pointless suicide mission. ALL of that instead of just marrying the dude and immediately bringing the North to her side.
And now, suddenly she doesn't want to marry because she doesn't wish to "share the throne." What a load of horse shit. Also, what happened to Tyrion talking to her specifically about a successor? She mentions she can't bare children, thus her legacy dies with her. But, she refuses to entertain any means by which she might name a successor. What?!?!?
Morrigan Volimar I think this is a good idea, I just don't know how feasible it is to execute or moderate since a lot of people just want to post funny gifs and twitter posts.
I would have preffered someone like David Tennant as Euron, a bit like Killgrave, somone creepy, handsome and charming but something really not quite right with them.
8.5 is the same director as 8.3 and hardhome, so it should be alright.
The most ridiculous two from last episode were Cersei and Tyrion. Cersei acting like she hasn't wanted him dead for years and has an active contract out on his life - letting him live. And Tyrion still talking to her like the past four seasons haven't happened. "You're not a monster".
I guess best we can do now make a new forum rule that people have to put their predictions in spoilers. Maybe?Plenty of people cross-post. I've cross-posted. Are there people who post predictions/theories influenced by leaks? Eh, there's a couple of posts that have made me raise an eyebrow but theories in these threads are all over the place that I'm not sure how you can get spoiled here on anything.
Lol No. their stooges the Freys sorta did, that is until Arya mass murdered them all.
I actually just posted a prediction. I've put it in spoilers now. Sorry if anybody didn't want to read it or it lined up with leaks. If you've looked at the leaks and it lines up, maybe don't quote it and imply that it's correct? Because that's what is actually spoiling it for people. Me included.
Tanerian and TheBlackNamekian, please scrub your quotes of my post
I guess I got it. Cool, thanks for spoiling it for me and anybody who read it by trying to be a backseat mod.
Thanks! Bit gutted some people were confirming what speculations had some truth in it based on out of context set pieces or whatever. On old forum threads people used to do it all the time by pretending book spoilers were speculation but I never knew which spoilers were true because there were so many theories.
I don't know if he actually will be, but he's certainly toeing the line, and I could see him and Varys just getting bundled together by a pissed off Daenerys
I've drunk the cup with the iocaine powder, haven't I? shira, hit me with that "more wine" gif. Let's just end it
Cersei winning would be tits. And when the ending comes, it is her new children who murder her to continue the whole circle for the throne once more.^_^I think I’m at the point where the only satisfactory conclusion they could give me is a scenario where Cersei wins. She’s the only one who they have consistently been true to. Her winning would actually feel deserved and they didn’t butcher any of her character arc to get her to where she is (besides that bit last episode where she doesn’t just kill them all, because that’s not Cersei at all).
Cersei winning would also fit perfectly with the fucked up world we live in anyways.