"Jaime is going to kill Cersei, lol it's obvious"
Laughing at the fools who still had hope for the writing.
She was just making faces on a green screen. Probably didn't even know what happened in the episode.To be fair she got the tattoos after they had finished shooting.
That was part of my original post having carefully removed my comments and criticisms of the episode and book narrative.Your original post was:
If there was a distinction to be made about who said what, make it. Could you point out some posts that just gleefully shitposted, saying nothing more than JUST THE WORST without any other comment? Because I don't see any of that.
It's also rich to hear "whoa, whoa, ease up on the drama" when you said that folks were "pigs and shit" and "graceless bitches". I guess Twitter-style one-liners are more fun than actually talking. But whatever.
Same. His arc was never about redemption. How can this man ever redeem himself after all he did?
His ending was fine(apart from that Euron fight, tf was that? lmao), he wasn't butchered. People just had a different idea of where his character was going for years.
The likes of him and Theon can never be redeemed.
I low key like the fact that didn't go with what everyone was thinking."Jaime is going to kill Cersei, lol it's obvious"
Laughing at the fools who still had hope for the writing.
Did I miss the season/episodes where Dany lost the love of the people? Was that just when the north liked Jon after the battle of winterfell?
What makes Jaime's character arc so odd is that we really don't get a sense of what turned him away from everything and back to Cersei. He learns about Daenerys getting ambushed and losing a dragon and then decides to go back to Cersei. It seemed so foolish that I thought he was bluffing in order to get close and kill her.
I guess not.
I engage with media in such a way that if I don't like something that happened in said media, I analyze why. You should try it if you find yourself disliking something someday. You can learn about the creative process, and yourself.I enjoy the show because I ignore the books and I allow the show writers to tell me a story without backseat driving it myself.
Others should try that.
Lol.Arya: "Come with me if you want to live."
*people immediately die after going with Arya*
What makes Jaime's character arc so odd is that we really don't get a sense of what turned him away from everything and back to Cersei. He learns about Daenerys getting ambushed and losing a dragon and then decides to go back to Cersei. It seemed so foolish that I thought he was bluffing in order to get close and kill her.
I guess not.
Bro have we been watching the same show? Dany is a brutal killing machine who loses her temper and kills tons of people ALL THE FUCKING time.
She watched as her brother had molten gold poured on his head.Her brother pulled a sword in Vaes Dothrak, his life was forfeit and Dany didn't kill him. He was also her abuser.
She burned the masters alive.She burned slave masters that crucified and murdered children including babes sucking on their mother's teats.
She crucified the masters in Myreen.See above.
She locked the Dothraki in a hut and burned them alive.Dothraki savages that do nothing but rape and plunder and planned to rape her.
She massacred the Masters entire fleet and then burned 2/3 of them alive to send a message.Slave masters that crucified and murdered children including babes sucking on their mother's teats.
She massacred the entire Lannister army in the field.It was a battle, they were her enemy. She let the survivors go once they surrendered.
She burned the Tarlys alive instead of putting them in jail. She burned Varys alive for betraying her.Tarly refused to bend the knee, he was an enemy. She also caught shit for that. Varys straight up tried to assassinate her.
She's wanted to burn Kings Landing to the ground SEVERAL times and was only talked out of it by Tyrion who she no longer trusts.No, she wanted to win King's Landing, the only way would be by using her dragons. And, as we saw in this episode, the tactic would've worked especially with her three dragons as the city would've yielded.
Dany has been on the edge of being a total fucking psycho the entire show but she always had someone with her to hold her back. It was Jorah or Missandei or Tyrion or Dario or what have you. Up until now her homicidal temper has been mostly limited to people we all thought "deserved it".
We must be watching different shows fam.
Did anyone notice the ramp up to the episode where they lingered on Dany after Missandei gets executed? And then in her head it basically has her replaying everything that happened in her life to make her finally snap?
Last night I thought the reason she went Mad Queen was based on her conversation with Jon, where she basically said "Ok, then I'll make them fear me." But thinking back on it, if that was the intention all along I'm not sure why the writers would have started off with a quick recall of everything that pushed her to snap. I mean, it even ended with her brother's voiceover threatening her about "waking the dragon."
Some day there's going to be a killer interview where these guys actually, honestly, talk about the thought process behind their decision-making. I'm not mad at them for any of it... just really more perplexed, I guess is the word I'd use.
It's not like I thought six episodes this season would be enough to wrap everything up. The pacing of everything makes me wonder if they were blindsided by HBO wanting to wrap up everything after season 6...
She might have had a script handed to her at some pointShe was just making faces on a green screen. Probably didn't even know what happened in the episode.
I was fine with his ending to be honest. Except the Euron fightSame. His arc was never about redemption. How can this man ever redeem himself after all he did?
His ending was fine(apart from that Euron fight, tf was that? lmao), he wasn't butchered. People just had a different idea of where his character was going for years.
The likes of him and Theon can never be redeemed.
Meh. Dany is a fan favorite, and she'll almost certainly die next week.
Oh ok. I just feel that a lot of actors don't like they're character turning. Mark Hammil seemed a little upset how Luke wasn't still a hero even if it was better for the movie. Dude thought he was gonna show up on starkiller base yo save the day.......To be fair she got the tattoos after they had finished shooting.
Jamie never turned away from Cersei.
Once people realize that, they'll also realize that not every character NEEDS a complete arc.
Sometimes characters are simply consistent and the flirtation with catharsis is the emotional tug that makes it interesting.
Full arcs can be completely generic and predicatble, which kills storytelling, IMO.
Were people honestly hoping Jamie turned out to be a real hero? Were people hoping Dany actually became a reasonable person of mercy?
Your being disappointed is proof the show succeeded, whether you admit it or not.
In terms of medieval warfare? The city could have been evacuated easily. Cersei chose to use them as meat shields.You know I can understand (and partially agree) with people criticizing Dany's turn being too abrupt and out of character (with what we've seen on the show) but I don't understand people justifying or rationalizing her actions this episode. How is that defensible?
To be fair it's not like she even tried to win favour with the southerners lmao
What makes Jaime's character arc so odd is that we really don't get a sense of what turned him away from everything and back to Cersei. He learns about Daenerys getting ambushed and losing a dragon and then decides to go back to Cersei. It seemed so foolish that I thought he was bluffing in order to get close and kill her.
I guess not.
I mean, she didn't even fly to Cersei when she had the chance. In fact, Dany literally gave her time to escape by spending all the time murdering innocent women and children for zero reason.
He should really stop telling her he loves her, kissing her, and telling her how she's his queen, then. Just a simple, "I'm sorry, this aunt/nephew thing is just too much for me"
She sacrificed half her people and a dragon to save them and they gave Jon all the credit. Then she tried to partner with Jon and he rejected her. Then all of her closest friends were killed. Not sure what else she was supposed to do.
She sacrificed half her people and a dragon to save them and they gave Jon all the credit. Then she tried to partner with Jon and he rejected her. Then all of her closest friends were killed. Not sure what else she was supposed to do.
Dany doesn't have her plot armour stat maxed out. Arya does. Jon was smart enough to put his stats into plot armour instead of intelligence as well. In my perfect world Sansa, Jon and Arya would all be dead. Salsa will probably be queen at the end of all of this though. Either way I'm buckling in for 80 more minutes of my expectations being subverted.Meh. Dany is a fan favorite, and she'll almost certainly die next week.
Agreed, and it's ok being disappointed or being angry about it. But calling it shit writing because he didn't do what you wanted him to is pretty lame.Jamie never turned away from Cersei.
Once people realize that, they'll also realize that not every character NEEDS a complete arc.
Sometimes characters are simply consistent and the flirtation with catharsis is the emotional tug that makes it interesting.
Full arcs can be completely generic and predicatble, which kills storytelling, IMO.
Were people honestly hoping Jamie turned out to be a real hero? Were people hoping Dany actually became a reasonable person of mercy?
Your being disappointed is proof the show succeeded, whether you admit it or not.
Yeah I'm sure that's the reason D & D turned one of the most savvy and tactical people on the show and turned him into a bumbling mess. And not, you know, plot contrivances.
Again, still doesn't get us to where she suddenly has victory in her grasp and decides to commit genocide. The character had established for her a ruthless, power at all costs streak, not vindictive genocide toward her scared and cowering subjects.
She speaks of having to rule by fear, not laying waste to that which she would claim as hers by right.
Last option would be a really great way to go. The other 2 are painfully obvious choices.Honestly its even odds between him and Arya at this point I think. Or maybe Dany feels the horror of what she has done and does it herself.
Bro have we been watching the same show? Dany is a brutal killing machine who loses her temper and kills tons of people ALL THE FUCKING time.
She watched as her brother had molten gold poured on his head.
She burned the masters alive.
She crucified the masters in Myreen.
She locked the Dothraki in a hut and burned them alive.
She massacred the Masters entire fleet and then burned 2/3 of them alive to send a message.
She massacred the entire Lannister army in the field.
She burned the Tarlys alive instead of putting them in jail. She burned Varys alive for betraying her.
She's wanted to burn Kings Landing to the ground SEVERAL times and was only talked out of it by Tyrion who she no longer trusts.
Dany has been on the edge of being a total fucking psycho the entire show but she always had someone with her to hold her back. It was Jorah or Missandei or Tyrion or Dario or what have you. Up until now her homicidal temper has been mostly limited to people we all thought "deserved it".
We must be watching different shows fam.
She went after Cersei's army and as a result killed everyone on site. What she did wasn't any kind of noble act. All she cared about was trying to hold people accountable for what happened to her Dragons and Missandei. She didn't care about civilians dying.I mean, she didn't even fly to Cersei when she had the chance. In fact, Dany literally gave her time to escape by spending all the time murdering innocent women and children for zero reason.
Probably the Amazon lotr show.Any plans for what to hatewatch next once it's all over this week?
I think the directors direction been some of the best ever.I guess I'm in the minority that really liked the episode, warts and all. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Wonder if we'll ever get a spectacle of this scale on TV anytime soon. Unbelievable cinematography. The scenes of people running through the city were incredible.
I don't see how this relates to Dany choosing to massacre the citizens of KL after they yield? Of course what Cersei did was completely wrong as well but Dany continuing her path of destruction was not right either. Now it's fine to debate whether the show does a convincing job in building up this choice from Dany (I don't think it does despite the past strong hint towards it) but I don't understand how the actions we see on screen are justified.In terms of medieval warfare? The city could have been evacuated easily. Cersei chose to use them as meat shields.
She sacrificed half her people and a dragon to save them and they gave Jon all the credit. Then she tried to partner with Jon and he rejected her. Then all of her closest friends were killed. Not sure what else she was supposed to do.