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Game of Thrones S8 |OT2| Please do not post spoilers here - assume all episodes have been leaked - spoiler tag all future episode speculation
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She was just making faces on a green screen. Probably didn't even know what happened in the episode.
What makes Jaime's character arc so odd is that we really don't get a sense of what turned him away from everything and back to Cersei. He learns about Daenerys getting ambushed and losing a dragon and then decides to go back to Cersei. It seemed so foolish that I thought he was bluffing in order to get close and kill her.
I guess not.
I guess not.
That was part of my original post having carefully removed my comments and criticisms of the episode and book narrative.
'Pigs in shit' is an idiom referring to those who revel. At no point did I call anyone a pig or a shit.
Graceless bitches I stand by.
D&D should've stopped doing that inside the episode garbage and misleading a ton of people who buy into these "arcs." If they are just pulling shit out of their ass to subverts expectations and garner shock then the point of such a thing means nothing. People are straight up denying arcs and development that they undeniable claimed to setup themselves. Then when it happens one way or another fans who like it are straight up telling people that it was never D&D's endgame.
I am really shocked that people aren't getting why Jamie's ending might not have stuck the landing like at all for some people. I can even understand it in a cynical sense why they did it, I just don't think it was constructed well at all. I guess having him go through all that fake growth was for this? They could have even gone with the whole love can be unconditional route and have Jamie realize his relationship with her could not be the same as his love for which was unconditional. Even having Bran seemingly forgive him... Boning Bri and leaving her as a joke... For what?
Like what was all that for? To demonstrate that there's no logic in love? That this man couldn't become his own person apart from Cersei? Cersei was ready to let this man march to his death in the war against the dead. Her brother's were as good as toast for all she knew and she even used Jamie's child to lul Euron's pointless ass. I guess it's a tragic ending for tragedies sake--but that women does not love Jamie the way he loves her it seems and the fact that they had him crawl back to her like that just doesn't feel right at all.
I low key like the fact that didn't go with what everyone was thinking.
To be fair it's not like she even tried to win favour with the southerners lmao
Jaime loves Cersei, and he always loved Cersei. He never stopped loving Cersei even when he was having sex with Brienne.
Because of the focus on the bells ringing meaning the city has surrendered. It was just obvious and something no one had mentioned before before in the show so of course it wouldn't play out this way.
I never read a single spoiler about ep 5 let alone one mentioning bells.
Within five minutes of Tyrion saying this to Dany I think it was repeated three times to other characters. So obviously, the thing that is supposed to tell us Dany has won and Tyrion can rest will be a fuck up and Tyrion will lose. Predictable.
I engage with media in such a way that if I don't like something that happened in said media, I analyze why. You should try it if you find yourself disliking something someday. You can learn about the creative process, and yourself.
Lol.
I felt bad for that short haired lady and her daughter, but I guess that was the point.
What makes it even more ridiculous and unbelievable is that what seemed to turn him was Bronn showing up and announcing Cersei had hired him to kill Jaime and Tyrion.
It made sense to me that would make him finally see Cersei for who she was, but nope, it made him want to go rescue her instead. What a shitty end to his arc.
You know I can understand (and partially agree) with people criticizing Dany's turn being too abrupt and out of character (with what we've seen on the show) but I don't understand people justifying or rationalizing her actions this episode. How is that defensible?
On that last point, I think HBO wanted more seasons. 10 at least. Its their biggest and highest rated most watched show ever. They wanted more, its why they have 2-3 spinoffs planned. D&D claimed they had only enough story left for 12-13 episodes and came up with the season 7 and 8 plan. I'll never get it because for all the shit they get now, some deserved and some hyperbole IMO, they did season 6 mostly after the books and to me that is one of the best seasons of the show. The payoffs were pitch perfect.
I 100% blame them for shortening the seasons and rushing everything to get to this end goal. Whereas seasons 1-6 felt like they had a natual progress and it would lead to where it lead to organically. I remember there is some speculation that it was cause they wanted to move on to other projects. Even if that was true, not sure why they didn't they just pass off the show to some other showrunners? I mean 95% of the problems in seasons 7 and 8 are solved if they are full 10 episode seasons and run by showrunners who aren't looking to move on.
My head canon is that
I'm 100% sure this isn't happening because it's too creative and would take to many words to explain and also GoT time travel doesn't work that way but that's what I'm choosing to believe for the week.
Bran warged into Drogon and had him go nuts because Bran needs Jon to kill Dany to forge Lightbringer, at which point Bran will somehow send the sword back in time to be reforged into a dagger that eventually gets into Arya's hands and kills the Night King. Which is why we don't see any shots of Dany's reaction during his carnage.
I'm 100% sure this isn't happening because it's too creative and would take to many words to explain and also GoT time travel doesn't work that way but that's what I'm choosing to believe for the week.
King's Landing lives if Cersei doesn't make the same mistake her son makes and kill her hostage
She might have had a script handed to her at some point
I was fine with his ending to be honest. Except the Euron fight
Idk about Ether, but it was a fairly obvious guess to make. Especially after the "THE CRPYTS ARE LITERALLY THE SAFEST PLACE SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME" lines that kept popping up in episode 2. And just like the "crypts are safe" lines that were repeated again and again they kept repeating and repeating that the bells meant to halt the attack because they had surrendered. And we also knew that Dany was already on the verge of going full bananas.
It shouldn't have been that hard to put two and two together.
Meh. Dany is a fan favorite, and she'll almost certainly die next week.
Oh ok. I just feel that a lot of actors don't like they're character turning. Mark Hammil seemed a little upset how Luke wasn't still a hero even if it was better for the movie. Dude thought he was gonna show up on starkiller base yo save the day.......
I can see Emilia not liking her character turning even though it was obvious to most. She was a loved character for many fans. I can see them being upset that she's not some heroic Queen after all.
Reminds me of when I used to watch wrestling as a kid. They would make my favourite wrestler an asshole after me loving his good side character. I would disown him immediately. Lol. People get attached to characters and don't like to see them change from good to bad or vice versa
100% accurate.
These people are human, when faced with fire and blood they are scared and weak and cling to their loved ones. No that's every character gets a hero's death, and watching Jaime try to be the shining knight he always fancied himself to be and ultimately fail to save his love is tragic and fine.
The only truly trash story and character arc here is Euron, and you're all fooling yourselves if you think any other character this season (or last) was handled as poorly.
In terms of medieval warfare? The city could have been evacuated easily. Cersei chose to use them as meat shields.
She sacrificed half her people and a dragon to save them and they gave Jon all the credit. Then she tried to partner with Jon and he rejected her. Then all of her closest friends were killed. Not sure what else she was supposed to do.
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I've always seen Brienne and Cersei as like the two parts of his conscience. Like Brienne is what he aspires to, what he would like to be - honourable and heroic. But in the end he isn't just this. He's the guy who pushed a child to his death to protect his relationship, something he would do again. He's not one thing or the other, he's both.
I've always seen Brienne and Cersei as like the two parts of his conscience. Like Brienne is what he aspires to, what he would like to be - honourable and heroic. But in the end he isn't just this. He's the guy who pushed a child to his death to protect his relationship, something he would do again. He's not one thing or the other, he's both.
I'm still trying to process how bad this episode was. The best thing about last night's episode was that the stream crapped out and I switched over to watch Kawhi's epic shot in game 7 because of it.
Literally all of the plot and character development from the past 8 years has been thrown out the window. There was no motive for Dany to raze an entire city and massacre everyone inside it after they surrendered, it was just so badly written.
Literally all of the plot and character development from the past 8 years has been thrown out the window. There was no motive for Dany to raze an entire city and massacre everyone inside it after they surrendered, it was just so badly written.
Bingo. She starts to fly towards the target, you know...the mission, and then says fuck it and burns the people she hates instead.
Because you don't just turn shit off like a faucet.at least not like a working one.
He caught major feelings.feelings that still get the best of him. And then he remembers and is conflicted.
Some of y'all sound like you're projecting your horniness on John's situation
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Honestly its even odds between him and Arya at this point I think. Or maybe Dany feels the horror of what she has done and does it herself.
Lol if the army of the dead ever reached kings landing you might have had a point
Dany doesn't have her plot armour stat maxed out. Arya does. Jon was smart enough to put his stats into plot armour instead of intelligence as well. In my perfect world Sansa, Jon and Arya would all be dead. Salsa will probably be queen at the end of all of this though. Either way I'm buckling in for 80 more minutes of my expectations being subverted.
Agreed, and it's ok being disappointed or being angry about it. But calling it shit writing because he didn't do what you wanted him to is pretty lame.
There was obviously going to be some kind of attack after the bells. Tyrion wouldn't shut up about them, and how it meant THEY SURRENDERED. I thought that may have been Cersei's last gambit to get Dany to let her guard down and kill her with a last hidden ballista or wildfire when she came close to the red keep. But no.
If someone guessed Dany was going to burn the entire city and the innocent bystanders after the surrender bells and her decisive victory, they may have read some leaks. Because that was dumb
If someone guessed Dany was going to burn the entire city and the innocent bystanders after the surrender bells and her decisive victory, they may have read some leaks. Because that was dumb
She's advocating for genocide. She's literally saying "sacrificing these people will be worth it for the generations to come." She's got the plan in her head and rationalized it out and made herself feel justified already. She's already The Mad Queen who decided surrender alone wasn't good enough, before she leaves Dragonstone.
Last option would be a really great way to go. The other 2 are painfully obvious choices.
She was doing quite a good job of punishing the bad guys and saving the good guys when she had less advisors lol
She went after Cersei's army and as a result killed everyone on site. What she did wasn't any kind of noble act. All she cared about was trying to hold people accountable for what happened to her Dragons and Missandei. She didn't care about civilians dying.
Her vindictiveness resulted in a mass number of people dying, which was wrong. Thats what the episode was trying to highlight
I think the directors direction been some of the best ever.
Great tv, but rushed writing
I don't see how this relates to Dany choosing to massacre the citizens of KL after they yield? Of course what Cersei did was completely wrong as well but Dany continuing her path of destruction was not right either. Now it's fine to debate whether the show does a convincing job in building up this choice from Dany (I don't think it does despite the past strong hint towards it) but I don't understand how the actions we see on screen are justified.
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