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Game of Thrones S8 |OT3| Best season evar. (FULL SPOILERS) (See Staff Post)
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Haha holy shit he really was right. Didn't think of that... If only Ned had listened.
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I hope in ~20 years we get some CG castles. The castles are characters on their own.
Most likely this was were Martin was heading.
But it would have been better written. Like characters would have been more justified, there wouldn't be crazy heelturns and in general there's be a lot less character assassination (reffering to Jamie and Tyrion here, not Dany).
Not really? There are plenty of shows I and many people stop watching because there not enjoyable anymore. Why watch something to complain about it week after week for sometimes years? It's pathetic honestly.
Dany going mad is a great concept, but it needed more buildup and her "snap" needed more justification. There was more than enough to push her over the edge, but it all felt a bit rushed.
Yup, I'm on the Dany boat on this thing, after the 2nd dragon and Melissandrae died, I just wanted complete destruction and mayhem in kings landing. Teach the people that a new queen is in town, and she ain't taking no prisoners.
I want to see Sansa burn too, she's gotten annoying.
While I personally do think that "Mad Queen" will be in the books in some way, shape, or form (as the whole point of the dragons thematically is that winning using such a destructive force renders victory pyrrhic), everyone pointing to that as a reason for last night's laughable absurdity is ignoring the fact that it still made no sense whatsoever.
Even if we are to draw parallels to Aerys II, it's important to note that he grew steadily paranoid and crazy over many years. His ultimate insanity was a gradual process that was the result of multiple events. Further, his defining act as the Mad King - attempting to burn down King's Landing - was a premeditated scheme meant to deprive Robert Baratheon of the capital if it looked as though he was going to win. His "burn them all" moment wasn't some final psychotic snap - it was him realizing that the rebellion was about to be won, and an order to Lord Rossart to ignite the wildfire caches he had hidden away for that exact purpose many months before, directly following Jon Connington's loss at Stoney Sept.
So, no, Daenerys final breaking point does not make sense even in comparison to the Mad King. With Aerys, we know why he acted the way he did. Here? Well, D&D said that Jon rejecting her was the "trigger," or however they put it. She even agreed to Tyrion's surrender conditions before the battle, and although she has felt great loss this season, has been speaking out against tyrants every chance she gets. And then, after certain victory, decides to massacre innocents needlessly? They made little to no effort to explain why she opted to simply slaughter civilians in the street after complete victory was secured. They just did it for the shock and awe twist. That's all the show has been about for years now.
Even if we are to draw parallels to Aerys II, it's important to note that he grew steadily paranoid and crazy over many years. His ultimate insanity was a gradual process that was the result of multiple events. Further, his defining act as the Mad King - attempting to burn down King's Landing - was a premeditated scheme meant to deprive Robert Baratheon of the capital if it looked as though he was going to win. His "burn them all" moment wasn't some final psychotic snap - it was him realizing that the rebellion was about to be won, and an order to Lord Rossart to ignite the wildfire caches he had hidden away for that exact purpose many months before, directly following Jon Connington's loss at Stoney Sept.
So, no, Daenerys final breaking point does not make sense even in comparison to the Mad King. With Aerys, we know why he acted the way he did. Here? Well, D&D said that Jon rejecting her was the "trigger," or however they put it. She even agreed to Tyrion's surrender conditions before the battle, and although she has felt great loss this season, has been speaking out against tyrants every chance she gets. And then, after certain victory, decides to massacre innocents needlessly? They made little to no effort to explain why she opted to simply slaughter civilians in the street after complete victory was secured. They just did it for the shock and awe twist. That's all the show has been about for years now.
I think Dany's turn wasn't out of character, but they definiely did not do the work in showing it. No, foreshadowing is not a replacement for showing a character having agency and making decisions. Much of the internal and external struggle Dany went through over the past few episodes have occurred with her off-screen.
What I think would have been better would be to have the beginning of this episode up until the battle follow Dany from scene to scene, showing her reaction to finding out Jon spilling the beans, Varys betraying her, dealing with Missandei's death etc... That way, we as the viewer have a more intimate connection with her descent to madness, rather than having it weakly implied off screen.
What I think would have been better would be to have the beginning of this episode up until the battle follow Dany from scene to scene, showing her reaction to finding out Jon spilling the beans, Varys betraying her, dealing with Missandei's death etc... That way, we as the viewer have a more intimate connection with her descent to madness, rather than having it weakly implied off screen.
I thought the last episode was actually quite good. It seems like it's just becoming the internet cool thing to do in shitting on this show now...
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Lmao bruh
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I mean at least it looked great?
From a stand-alone point of view, I think this was the best episode in the season in terms of enjoyment and beautifully shot too.
Not discounting the laughably bad character turn for dany, the cheap deaths, how Arya still fucking survived(lol) and just how it ruins the show and books overall. The only way to redeem this would be to really commit and just let dany fuckin sit the throne..but you know they are gonna pussy out and give us the shitty ending where she dies fighting Jon, who is 'forced' to sit the throne or abdicates it for someone else. Overall the treatment of women characters in the show has been trash, opposite of what GRR does.
And imagine the content and threads they still need to resolve in one fucking episode, major LOL. HBO and D&D done fucked up man.
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I mean at least it looked great?
From a stand-alone point of view, I think this was the best episode in the season in terms of enjoyment and beautifully shot too.
Not discounting the laughably bad character turn for dany, the cheap deaths, how Arya still fucking survived(lol) and just how it ruins the show and books overall. The only way to redeem this would be to really commit and just let dany fuckin sit the throne..but you know they are gonna pussy out and give us the shitty ending where she dies fighting Jon, who is 'forced' to sit the throne or abdicates it for someone else. Overall the treatment of women characters in the show has been trash, opposite of what GRR does.
And imagine the content and threads they still need to resolve in one fucking episode, major LOL. HBO and D&D done fucked up man.
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Jon, the man she loved, then found out he was the true heir to the throne and therefore a threat, has at a minimum shown he's got split loyalties and by letting the cat out of the bag to his sisters, and has ensured pretty much everyone around Westeros will hear it too and weaken her claim. Slapping her dick on the table as hard as possible to show she's the new big bad makes sense to her at that point. She's been trying to play with kid gloves since landing and listening to her advisers. It hasn't worked out so well so far. Now it's fuck it, Dany's way.
This was me during the last 30 minutes of this episode.
Just waiting for this whole thing to end now.
Yeah, Robert's paranoia proved to be correct. Joffrey brought it up a few seasons later as well.
Ned had shell shock from seeing the Targaryen children's corpses after the sack of King's Landing. Hearing that Robert wanted to kill another child wasn't pleasant to him, so I understand him lol. Man...Eddard really loved kids, he wouldn't even seize the throne if it meant Joffrey and his siblings getting hurt.
Watching Jon walk the streets witnessing this carnage reminded me of Ned witnessing the aftermath. He demanded Tywin to the take the black and the rest of his men executed. It was serious. I wonder what Jon has in mind. Hope we see Dany's head rolling.
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Does a mod who knows the ending want to make that thread?
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It's going to get tricky with people just outright posting the leaked ending and hiding behind - it's just a guess though.
Best shot? The Bells.
Best music? The Long Night.
Best Writing? Hardhome.
They tried to warn Cersei several times about what would happen. Hell even S7 said "yea no Dany might steamroll this..."
Army of the dead which had a dragon of its own, backed by ice magic and harsh weather made us forget all those times Dany's dragons steamrolled through a conflict between regular humans.
Nothing beats the WW getting dusted by Longclaw IMO. It's one of the most earned hypest moments in the series.
Was Arya's white horse at the end of the episode a reference to something? Some sort of prophecy, maybe? Seemed kind of random.
I think I am so numb to whats actually happening that I just kinda glossed over episode 5.
Cinematography was nice
Cinematography was nice
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The treatment of women over the last few episodes has been awful.
However, I don't think it's fair to say that the kiss pushed her over the edge because she's a woman and loves Jon. Rather that it showed her that no one in Westeros is truly comfortable or supportive of her and she's gonna have to rely on force.
Jorah died for nothing. She's basically spit on his sacrifice.
What happen to the misteries surrounding Varys's past? They hyped us with that scene involving another red priestess for nothing at all in the end. Lame.
I mean I guess you have a good point, but its gonna be pretty hard to keep speculation about the finale out of the OT for the show itself. Especially when there are people like me who love to speculate and theorize, but have absolutely no interest whatsoever in being spoiled by the leaks.
I mean this entire series has been built upon fan theories and speculation.
Why would it? They've shown that prophecies mean shit in this show and to the writers..
Man that dragon... she sure turned it up to 11. Otherwise, fairly good this episode. I liked Cleganebowl and Arya's arc, Jamie was devoted to his sister to the end and the Euron side stuff was always a waste. They went from ace dragon killers to inept shipmates in one episode which reinforces how poor the writing was on that side of the islands.
I have no issue with the outcome, and I bet this is what will happen in the books. My issue is there isn't enough to justify Dany massacring civilians and children after the town surrendered.
When it happens in the books I will probably be fine with it because GRRM will show what leads up to it and justify the turn.
She has at times been harsh toward her enemies, but never shown insanity or evil. Not even a hint imo.
Need, Jon, Robb all executed people, even children, who betrayed them or broke laws. Tormund and Ygritte slaughtered a village of farmers, women, and children for no real reason at all. The Lannisters brag about exterminating an entire House and all its heirs and successors.
Dany forbid the essential part of Dothraki culture of raping and pillaging after conquest. She married enemies and put her supporters on trial when they broke the law. She sacrificed nearly everything for Jon's war in the north.
But Dany's the one everyone decides must be nuts, and the one who says fuck it I'll just murder every single peasant in this city for no reason now that I've finally won, even though never in the entire series has she shown anything but justice and mercy for commoners (even chaining her "children" for killing a commoner child).