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Game of Thrones S8 |OT3| Best season evar. (FULL SPOILERS) (See Staff Post)
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That's an old interview. They've been dead silent since Sunday.
Honestly you can do this. You just rewrite things. Stories don't have to be true. Very little of everything in the bible is corroborated by external sources, and there are even some historians who doubt the Israelites' captivity in Egypt and escape over the Red Sea (or the Reed Sea, or whatever) are historical events.
Yeah but it makes no sense in the context of it being written as the events are still happening and tyrion is still alive
Doesn't he have to be wired up in the tree like they showed the TER the very first time they revealed him?
i think the last episode is pretty good. its he penultimate episode that sucked ass and had the worst writing ever. the last episode actually salvaged it much better thna expected (still its shit due to the heelturn)
Good luck, Star Wars fans!
Good luck, Star Wars fans!
When you aim for Breaking Bad, but hit Dexter instead
They claim to be drunk in the woods somewhere. In reality, they've been drunk in the woods since S4.
I thought the first part of the episode was the worst and completely agree with FilmCrit Hulk's take:
(small thread)
Seems a lot of people tend to reduce directing to "cool shots". It wasn't well directed at all. Tyrion walking for minutes, standing over his dead family for so long, that scene in prison with him and Jon, and worst for me, the final scene between Dany and Jon (though that's more on the writing) "I don't know what's good" "yes you do, you have always done! This is our reason.. Etc". Was getting SW prequel vibes "so you say love has blinded you?"
Drogon burning the throne was as subtle as a sledgehammer #symbolism.
The rhythm of everything was completely off, to slow to give an emotional punch although the actors tried to act the shit out of it.
(small thread)
Seems a lot of people tend to reduce directing to "cool shots". It wasn't well directed at all. Tyrion walking for minutes, standing over his dead family for so long, that scene in prison with him and Jon, and worst for me, the final scene between Dany and Jon (though that's more on the writing) "I don't know what's good" "yes you do, you have always done! This is our reason.. Etc". Was getting SW prequel vibes "so you say love has blinded you?"
Drogon burning the throne was as subtle as a sledgehammer #symbolism.
The rhythm of everything was completely off, to slow to give an emotional punch although the actors tried to act the shit out of it.
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Yep. In the books, it's not an entity. Just one of Bloodraven's nicknames.
The official title is a greenseer which is another word for wizard.
So.
I've watched it. The only good thing was Jon interacting with Drogon (emerging from snow, in particular... ha! from Snow, get it. GET IT YOU F-- ) , but the whole inconsistent ash-snow versus "now it's sunny, and everyone is here", kinda bothered me.
I have very little feelings towards it since the real ending is episode 3 anyway. "Winter is coming", and it should have come to King's Landing with the dead in tow. Honestly, what I had expected from the intro at episode 1 was that they would finally reveal where the crypt under Winterfell goes, leading into a tunnel all the way to the south (perhaps passing the crypts of the first men even), so that the plan could fail and some heroes could make it south for a last stand, rather than what we got. Bran could have "lived" through warging, and sending Sam and Tyrion (and Sansa) into the crypt as its defenders would make more sense if they were leading a desperate charge deeper into them, rather than hiding.
Something like that. Either way, combining a 'status quo' story with a 'stand or fall together' story was never going to work. You can't have your Aristotelean fiction and a Hegelian fiction at the same time.
As for Dany, show Dany has been a consistently bad queen (that white savior complex) so her end was hardly unexpected, but there still being so many unsullied and dothraki around.... uurgh.
I've watched it. The only good thing was Jon interacting with Drogon (emerging from snow, in particular... ha! from Snow, get it. GET IT YOU F-- ) , but the whole inconsistent ash-snow versus "now it's sunny, and everyone is here", kinda bothered me.
I have very little feelings towards it since the real ending is episode 3 anyway. "Winter is coming", and it should have come to King's Landing with the dead in tow. Honestly, what I had expected from the intro at episode 1 was that they would finally reveal where the crypt under Winterfell goes, leading into a tunnel all the way to the south (perhaps passing the crypts of the first men even), so that the plan could fail and some heroes could make it south for a last stand, rather than what we got. Bran could have "lived" through warging, and sending Sam and Tyrion (and Sansa) into the crypt as its defenders would make more sense if they were leading a desperate charge deeper into them, rather than hiding.
Something like that. Either way, combining a 'status quo' story with a 'stand or fall together' story was never going to work. You can't have your Aristotelean fiction and a Hegelian fiction at the same time.
As for Dany, show Dany has been a consistently bad queen (that white savior complex) so her end was hardly unexpected, but there still being so many unsullied and dothraki around.... uurgh.
Isaac has refuted that theory. Bran is the Three Eyes Raven. It's the same continuing conscious, it's just that Bran has tons of memories that aren't his. When he says that he's not Bran anymore he means that Bran's memories are only a smart part of who he is now.
Bran: "I remember what it was like to Brandon Stark but I remember so much else now."
Yeah I hate this too. Leave the directing to the professionals. They should have brought back Neil Marshall or Alan Taylor or someone like that for the finale (since David Nutter and Miguel Sapochnik were already bust with other episodes). Or Michelle McLaren.
In S2 Varys says history will not record Tyrion's plan at Blackwater, at least I think that's what they were trying to reference.
You're expecting it to be something like the Red Book of Westmarch, but this isn't how histories work in real life. People write what they want to read.
The scene in which this is presented is a brief moment of comic relief at the end of a massive and brutal fantasy epic. It's a funny and wry look at the process of marginalisation.
Come to the thread that I'm starting this week.
We have a lot of show only fans joining in to start a read of the story and some people wanting to re-read.
Show spoilers allowed but book spoilers need to be hidden.
New thread this week incoming for show-only fans wanting to start the books and people who want to do a re-read.
5 chapters a week. Show spoilers allowed.
But it falls completely flat. Tyrion basically started everything. He's been hand to three different kings. It makes no sense, and it does nothing to either relieve anything, or tells us anything about anything. It's extremely stupid.
+1 to this. And you could even consider this a brief summary of Tyrion's involvement in significant events.
That scene just cemented how almost all of the writing beyond Season 5 has been done with very little consideration for anything beyond having a bit of on-screen spectacle or joke to laugh at.
Except it's quite hard to laugh at the joke if you have any memory of the previous 72 episodes and your brain's immediate first reaction is to go "what the fuck?" at the incredulity of the bit. You need it to be at least plausible to be funny.
I agree it would make more sense for him to be written into history as a straight villain (Richard III is pretty clearly an inspiration for Tyrion), but given he's randomly been elevated to Hand, it would also kind of make sense for the Archmaester to very quickly remove the villainous Tyrion storyline and just leave it all out. Like, there's half a page now that just says "Then Tywin died" with elaborate illustrations now covering up what used to be a whole bunch of florid prose about the evil Imp cackling as he watched his father die. Weird lapses in old histories where the author clearly just doesn't want to discuss some point are pretty common, like histories that only mention glorious victories in a war they lost, and since writing is rare and expensive back then, no competing version shows up to fill in the gaps and within a few years the knowledge to even know it's incomplete is gone.
Oh, I meant as in, when they're all out and finished. Don't got it in me to start them when it's not a sure thing that it'll happen.
The last episode was amazingly bad. Not only was it terrible plot-wise but it was also just plain boring.
Episode 5, while terrible plot-wise, at least wasn't boring to watch.
Tyrion, Dany and Jaime were the major characters that the show ended up betraying the worst.
Tyrion ended up being the dumbest Lannister ever and just a completely different person - but not in a good way.
Dany went mad and bad in 120 minutes.
Jaime was 8 seasons of character development that ended up being nothing and meaning nothing.
Episode 5, while terrible plot-wise, at least wasn't boring to watch.
Tyrion, Dany and Jaime were the major characters that the show ended up betraying the worst.
Tyrion ended up being the dumbest Lannister ever and just a completely different person - but not in a good way.
Dany went mad and bad in 120 minutes.
Jaime was 8 seasons of character development that ended up being nothing and meaning nothing.
What can I say? The Small Council convening is the only scene I've seen from Season 8 and I love it. It remains to be seen whether I'll ever buy that boxed set and watch it all through from where I last ended after Season 4, but I have no complaints about the writing there. Subversion of audience expectations, Pratchett couldn't have written it better.
It's easy enough
Carolyn Stark falsely imprisoned a Lannister nobleman, leading to the start of the war of the five kingdoms.
Tywin Lannister died at the hand of a whore.
While visiting with the Dornish, the princess was murdered by the royal family.
King Joffrey the Cruel died at the hand of an unknown assassin
Easy. Just refer to Ramsay as her second husband. Don't mention the first.
Daenreys and her loyal advisors invaded Westeros. It's suspected that the former slave Missandei served as her hand.
True. But he can be reduced to an accident of birth by cruel historians. His other achievements can be attributed to others.
But the scene doesn't exist in a vacuum. The scene is tone deaf. The entire scene. It's incongruent, and the Tyrion-not-being-mentioned gag just felt like a slap in the character's face. If that's the only scene you've seen, then I get it can be seen differently, but you're sitting there, realizing you're at the end of this epic journey. This isn't Friends, where a well timed last joke is really fitting. This is the end of the game of thrones, and that scene doesn't work for so many reasons.
What is this subversion of audience expectations? What is done well here?
They should have been separate scenes, like whenever Jon leaves for the wall in S1. But, you know, rushed
They knew from before season 1.
The original intro for Game of Thrones even had a raven land in the throne in the end
This is all very contrived. And while I agree that this COULD be the case, it doesn't make any sense for this to have happened. There's no reason to omit Tyrion.
womp womp
Season 5 is good, but not that good.
I think the only legitimately good episode of season 8 is "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms." It's also an episode made retroactively worse by episode 4.
[Citation needed]
And from the show. In the context of the show, this move makes zero sense.
This is plain stupid. The people involved with the history are still alive and in power. And there is zero motivation for the maesters to distort their history of the past 5 years to this extent. "Let's remove Tyrion for kicks and giggles" without any political goal that would make it necessary.
They wrote it for a joke. Stop defending it as anything deeper than that.
I cant say a single thing about the person who ended up on the throne in terms of what his motivations are, what his character predispositions are, who he is, what he does. Like they literally put a character who was so unimportant to the story that he missed an entire season, on the throne. And I can't say anything about this character without having to make a ton of assumptions for the writers to reach that conclusion. I struggle to think of a worse written character on the show.
Same thing as how Jon Snow escapes history. It was covered up. Just like most of human history, not everyone gets their due
I've only watched up to the end of Season 4 but already she's basically a fire-breathing vigilante at that point. Maybe because she wasn't fricasseeing people in Westeros nobody noticed what she was like to live with.
It's impossible for Tyrion to not be in the book, he killed Tywin. The only explanation is the TER is the Citadel's big cheese and he told them to keep his name out, so as to not sully the name of his hand.
100% just means all the critics recommend it. Not that it's a perfect score. I'd certainly recommend the season, can't say the same about Season 8 of GOT.
Or maybe killing slavers and rapists isn't the same as civilians.
Since you're in season 4 did you notice all of her attempts to make sure 0 civilians are harmed to the point where she chains up her dragons after they harmed 1 innocent.
What? Please. The writing is bad. It makes no sense. That we can sit and make up contrived reasons for why this was put in that scene doesn't make up for the fact that the scene is bad, and that 'joke' is terrible.
She's a queen. The first episode of this show starts off saying that it's a ruler's responsibility to punish those that need to be punished. Ned takes no pleasure in the beheading he does, but he tells Bran that this is part of what being a ruler is. It is further cemented by Jon's reluctance to do the same, then his realization that it is a necessary evil.
Daenarys is queen, and she can sentence people to death. She does so by her own rule, and she views it as a necessary evil. She is challenged for it, but she makes good cases for why she's done it. This is not the same as being as crazy as she suddenly turns out in this season.
She changes after she returns from the Dothraki grass sea precisely because she is sick of seeing people use her mercy against her. Even in the books, once the Dothrakis come to her, she is thinking about it all and concludes with "Fire and blood!"
I suggest watching the succession scene from s7 with Tyrion at Dragonstone. She is literally saying she must rule with fear and commit mass murder as others have to win her war.
The show didn't make it obvious enough how much she changed upon returning to Mereen. But that isn't the real problem; the real problem is we have no reason to believe people would believe Jon is the true heir, nor care, nor support Cersei over Dany especially since she manages to take the city without killing civilians. THAT was the real mistake the writers made that ruined up her character.
Because of Arya's arc, I have retroactively come to abhor the end of The Many Faced God arc. It was so interesting. Then she just decided to stop, but retain all the powers. Bleh.
This was my thinking also.
Yup.
I'm kinda assuming that the whole thing is a series of massive bloodbaths and ice zombies and barbecues, with the survivors left slowly rebuilding a society from the ruins. Maybe seasons 5-8 are nothing like that, maybe it was all a hero's quest that everybody expected to end with ewoks dancing around and R2D2 putting on disco light shows for the kids, in which case that scene might fall flat.
That still doesn't make any sense why she targeted the civilians and structures instead of the actual red keep.
Batman is a vigilante too but I wasn't surprised to see him not want to nuke the city in TDKR or poison it in Batman Begins.
I'll try my best to not be an ass but maybe actually watch seasons 5-8 before trying to analyze them and refute other people's points.