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Game of Thrones S8 |OT3| Best season evar. (FULL SPOILERS) (See Staff Post)
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Honestly, the way they handled Grey Worm was a travesty. Like, the way they got their 2-for-1 fridging via Missandei's incomprehensible capture and execution is grotesque, but then to reduce both Dany & Grey Worm to the thinnest of characters as a result....
And this is right after Uncle Euron throws Rhaegal in the chump dumpster with the magical crossbows that are secretly useless if they aren't piloted by a crowing plot device.
This show really asks an impossible amount of its audience.
And this is right after Uncle Euron throws Rhaegal in the chump dumpster with the magical crossbows that are secretly useless if they aren't piloted by a crowing plot device.
This show really asks an impossible amount of its audience.
Maybe they shouldn't have cut the Bran/Tyrion backstory scene (or the 10 other important ones this year) so that it doesn't feel rushed. Long episodes didn't mean shit when they spend gratuitous amounts of time walking around staring blankly. There's no way the scripts were significantly larger than ones in the past.
Saw it last night. Excellent video that sums up most of my complaints pretty thoroughly. I especially liked his Arya critique, as his specific critiques of her character have been mine for awhile but I rarely hear people say they don't like her anymore. I loved her in seasons 1-4 but grew increasingly frustrated and annoyed that she kept being rewarded in her quest for depraved vengeance and "badass" violence. D&D didn't know how to write her in a way that examines how her bloodlust has turned her into a monster without also relishing in how cool and bad-ass she is as this do-it-all ninja Westorisi Punisher. Not to mention her Braavos arc was stupid and ended in such a nonsensical way.
The writers eventually did have her character arrive at "stop chasing vengeance" but not through development in seasons 7 and 8, but a 30 second scene with the Hound crammed at the end of the season that's easily forgettable since it shared screen time with the biggest heel turn of the series. I was really glad he touched on why she stopped being a favorite character of mine (even if I started to like her again at the very end of the series once she somewhat regained her humanity).
I only have a few quibbles with the video but overall, the shit was like a sermon to me. I was yelling preach half the time.
That explains why he went flying. Dude acted like such a badass when he went "I'm gonna go now" and then goes for a joyride with the NK.
Remember when we all thought he had a master plan that he was putting into action in that moment?
I have long said that Game of Thrones is a Medieval Soap Opera and while that's actually awesome if done right, which it was for a long time, people would get butt hurt about it.
Well, I think it's the right genre when all was said and done. It's a fucking Soap Opera.
So like, what's the message behind Bran becoming king? Humans suck so bad we need God to come down and rule us? I'll be honest I flat out don't like the very concept of some benevolent robot god coming down to rule. Only way I'll like it is if Bran pulled a Sheev Palpatine and played everyone for chumps.
I agree, all the longer runtimes amounted to was skewed pacing.
Free will is an illusion?
There probably isn't a deliberate message to any of this, it just feels random.
I actually think everyone has done a really good job this year except the writers and whoever's job it is to make sure shit like bottles of water aren't on set. But yes those two have done a lot of heavy lifting
Going forward from that, we had a single assassin who was able to save the world with one sneak attack and not one person suggested asking her to solve their Cersei problem. "Oh well, guess we gotta just storm the place even though our Hand knows a secret way in that he is sending his brother to because bad pussy rather than sending the proven single best 1v1 killing machine in Westeros."
How literally no one, even fucking SANSA when she was all like "let's rest up first" even thought of leading with Arya is way beyond believable.
They cut all the parts where Bran could have talked and made an impression on the audience before the end. The tyrion conversation, the jon parentage reveal to the stark siblings... Did they do it to make it more of a twist reveal when he became king, or did they just have no idea what Bran would say, so they didn't write it?
I think that's how it plays out in the books, except with way more nuance. The Starks rule Westeros, but the King is Big Brother who can convict you of thought crime. It's goofy on the show, but could be kind of dark in the book (if we ever get it).
that the writers gave up and just let the internet write the show.
Bran is a metaphor for the internet. Also, apparently, history. Remember, aliens build the wall. And there were Jedi in [DATA NOT FOUND]
Legit would have turned this season around for me. No wonder Tyrion keeps trying to fuck over Dany by trying to appeal to Cersei's humanity. It's a side bet they've got going on to see how long they can string along Dany Bot in letting him get away with making the same idiotic plea again and again.
emotionless males > emotional females? (Cersei, Dany)
honesty, if only Bran smiled at the end and cut to black would it make any sense
Something that has left me very unsatisfied with the episode was them not letting Dany sit on the throne. We've been waiting for it for years, but nope. Feels bad.
Also Bran can totally see the future. So why was it so important to tell Jon about his parentage if he knew that Kings Landing was going to burn. Before people say Bran can't see the future, he did in season two when he had a green dream about the ocean coming to Winterfell. That was way before he had the Three Eyed Crow/Raven powers, so he should be able to see the future more clearly now; not less.
Seems like it was a setup from the beginning. Actually its like an accidental setup, which is what bothers me so much about how they did Dany wrong this season. From a certain perspective, Jon going to convince Dany to fight up north was really a ruse to get close to her and weaken her from within. Which is what happened when the Night King killed one of her dragons. Jon's stupidity was all by design to get Dany to feel sorry for him and to trust him, which worked like a charm. So then the battle occurs, but the sneaky Starks (especially Bran) knows that the Night King (i.e. Winter) will fall at *ahem* Winterfell.
From this perspective, Bran knows that Jon is going to tell Dany and that it will make her insecure about her claim to the throne. Jon is later being begged not to tell anyone else, but he does it anyway. Which Bran figured he would so they pretended to act surprised (Bran tried). Then Sansa blabbed it like Bran knew she would which then set the rest of Dany's spiral in motion. Or at least that's my head cannon because it's the only thing that makes sense to me.
Really though. I think they should have done a flash forward. Jon should have given in to his desires because his resurrection changed him to be more selfish, ambitious, and cold. Then maybe he could assassinate her over something unrelated to her war crimes or someone else could do it, but it shouldn't have been resolved minutes after the crime was committed. Jon should have been killed for killing her and her army should have revolted...#danydeservedbetter
Also Bran can totally see the future. So why was it so important to tell Jon about his parentage if he knew that Kings Landing was going to burn. Before people say Bran can't see the future, he did in season two when he had a green dream about the ocean coming to Winterfell. That was way before he had the Three Eyed Crow/Raven powers, so he should be able to see the future more clearly now; not less.
Seems like it was a setup from the beginning. Actually its like an accidental setup, which is what bothers me so much about how they did Dany wrong this season. From a certain perspective, Jon going to convince Dany to fight up north was really a ruse to get close to her and weaken her from within. Which is what happened when the Night King killed one of her dragons. Jon's stupidity was all by design to get Dany to feel sorry for him and to trust him, which worked like a charm. So then the battle occurs, but the sneaky Starks (especially Bran) knows that the Night King (i.e. Winter) will fall at *ahem* Winterfell.
From this perspective, Bran knows that Jon is going to tell Dany and that it will make her insecure about her claim to the throne. Jon is later being begged not to tell anyone else, but he does it anyway. Which Bran figured he would so they pretended to act surprised (Bran tried). Then Sansa blabbed it like Bran knew she would which then set the rest of Dany's spiral in motion. Or at least that's my head cannon because it's the only thing that makes sense to me.
Really though. I think they should have done a flash forward. Jon should have given in to his desires because his resurrection changed him to be more selfish, ambitious, and cold. Then maybe he could assassinate her over something unrelated to her war crimes or someone else could do it, but it shouldn't have been resolved minutes after the crime was committed. Jon should have been killed for killing her and her army should have revolted...#danydeservedbetter
Emotionally distant incels that live on the internet are the best rulers
This is it for sure.
Showrunners really wanted to stick to Martin's plot points, for some reason, which seem for sure to be that Dany goes megalomaniac, Jon kills her, Bran rules. The thing is they don't know how to get there, so lets leave everything happening off-screen that explains it with more logic.
They knew George's ending plot points back in Season 3. They had plenty of time, and no I doubt they could have which is really saying something when you realize how shit the past few seasons have been.
Lmao
Legit would have turned this season around for me. No wonder Tyrion keeps trying to fuck over Dany by trying to appeal to Cersei's humanity. It's a side bet they've got going on to see how long they can string along Dany Bot in letting him get away with making the same idiotic plea again and again.
Wait so is Jaime real.
Um, actually that's exactly what GRRM thinks. The LOTR is bittersweet because Frodo comes back broken as an individual and doesn't much get rewarded by the story like Jon Snow. No acknowledgement, no wife, no kids and trauma + physical pain.
Frodo is pretty miserable at the end.
He's talking about the hard cuts any time someone asked Bran a question.
Tyrion asks him at the Battle of Winterfell after-party about what things he's seen, and it just hard cuts. Jon asks him to explain to Sansa and Arya about his parentage, and it just hard cuts. Etc, etc.
They cut away when Tyrion talks to Bran in either Episode 1 or 2 when he asks him to explain his story, and how he ended up being the Three Eyed Raven. Similar to how they cut away when he tells Sansa and Arya of Jon's lineage.
I guess with Dany they were trying to say that righteous judgement is a slippery slope when you believe you're the sole arbiter of good? But Dany just jumped off a cliff. The writers don't seem to understand the value of tension over surprise.
Tension comes from the slide, not the fall.
Tension comes from the slide, not the fall.
Also comes from working with more episodes so you can show the turn better.
Not sure if it was cut or not but the scene in Episode 2 where Tyrion goes up to Bran and he's like "so tell me your story big guy" and bran just... doesn't.
Seems like a pretty critical scene since Tyrion is the one who nominates Bran to be king. Even if that didn't happen it could have shed some insight into Bran but nah
Trying to find consistent themes in a show where the head writers don't "believe" in themes as if themes suddenly just disappear from writing if the creator wills hard enough.
Sure seemed like it didn't it
There was the one scene in season 7 where he seems like he's disappointed they're fucking but that was about it
For a couple guys who don't believe in themes they sure tried to hamfist in the whole duty before love and love clouds duty stuff.
So pissed they managed to completely forget their blood oath.
They didn't have to. It was possible to land in the same place they did, it just needed better writing. Little changes would make all the difference. Like I said before, for example, why have Sam at the council? Have his only scene being him at the citadel trying to convince the maester on his book's title. Have Tyrion alone at the council, he just sits there waiting, gets up to arrange the chairs in place, sits again, no one shows up, and the camera pulls out slowly as he waits. Have Bronn receiving a summon to get his High Garden + master of coin titles at King's Landing from Tyrion, Hand of the King, the scene written in a way that makes him wonder if he's about to get offed in some carriage on his way there, so we'll never know how it ended for him, and cut to black. Brienne has her scene with the book. Davos is the one who escorts Jon all the way to the gate of Castle Black.
So has it been agreed upon that Bran/3ER is evil as fuck and has basically been the puppet master the entire time to reclaim his position as ruler of Westeros?
Wirewood trees used to be everywhere in Westeros until the Andals invaded and started cutting them down.
After The Long Night, the Andals invaded Westeros and basically drove The Children of the Forrest to extinction. "The Pact" between TCotF and The First Men still exists, but that happened thousands of years before the Andals came to Westeros.
3ER/Old Gods finally found their window to take back Westeros from the Andals.
Wirewood trees used to be everywhere in Westeros until the Andals invaded and started cutting them down.
After The Long Night, the Andals invaded Westeros and basically drove The Children of the Forrest to extinction. "The Pact" between TCotF and The First Men still exists, but that happened thousands of years before the Andals came to Westeros.
3ER/Old Gods finally found their window to take back Westeros from the Andals.
I mean if you aren't having characters do things in service to narrative themes, they should be doing things based on logical inference of how they would behave in the situation, and the show writers sure as shit weren't following that rubrick.
I honestly would've been fine with the finale if the last two seasons were full 10-episode seasons with D&D taking their time to flesh out character arcs.
Could be in the books but the show didn't even come close to hinting at that.
You know Khal Drogo would have dragged himself from the lowest pits of the Seven Hells to avenge her if he could lol
Same, my issues are with the journey and not the destination.
The only thing it hinted is the fact Bran's/3ER actions set forth the motion of events that made Danny extremely paranoid via exposing Jon's true lineage. Bran actually set forth a good portion of events, spewing his mouth off and telling people shit he knew would cause trouble. Bran going to Kings Landing and saying "Why do you think I'm here" kinda gives away he had been plotting for this moment for some time.
While I don't think they handled it in any good or proper fashion, I think there may be "some" hints to the concept that Bran/3ER is not exactly going to be this great leader that he is presented as on the surface.
Of course, this could just be thinking way more than the writers actually plotted out...
GRRM writes his backstory backwards so history foreshadows the ending to ASOIAF.
Amethyst Empress/Queen Rhaenrya= Daenerys Targaryen
She's even described within the story as a queen with Amethysts for eyes.
The God-on-Earth/Aegon III/Aegon V = Bran Stark
Bloodraven/Aemon Targaryen = Jon Snow
Tyland Lannister/Mushroom = Tyrion Lannister
Rhaenys and Visenya Targaryen= Sansa and Arya Stark
Criston Cole = Jaime Lannister
Rhaenrya= Cersei Lannister
Bloodstone Emperor = Book! Euron
etc
People have theorized that the Bloodstone Emperor is the Lord of Light. They never say what happened to him so maybe like Bran, he ascended to godhood.
Others think the Bloodstone Emperor redeemed himself and became the Last Hero which would mean he's Brandon the Builder. Others think he became Azhor Ahai.
The prequel should explore this eventually since it's dealing with Essos as well during a time period that he lived.
My friend pointed out that bad bran could have been GRRM's intention but subtly and D and D just never figured it out lol