- There is no "Night King", one big bad in the books. There's a historical Night's King but it isn't the same.
- Arya killing the Walker leader is all D&D. They have said as much.
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Game of Thrones S8 |OT3| Best season evar. (FULL SPOILERS) (See Staff Post)
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- There is no "Night King", one big bad in the books. There's a historical Night's King but it isn't the same.
- Arya killing the Walker leader is all D&D. They have said as much.
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The cast should all do a comedy or drama together.
I'd really enjoy that.
They should've waited till this episode to kill off Rhaegal.
That'd make the scorpions and defense of the city make so much more sense. We wouldn't go from "scorpions are extremely good at killing dragons" to "these are terrible". And having one of her dragons die in that moment would add another reason for Dany to go off on the city.
That'd make the scorpions and defense of the city make so much more sense. We wouldn't go from "scorpions are extremely good at killing dragons" to "these are terrible". And having one of her dragons die in that moment would add another reason for Dany to go off on the city.
Visuals were good but some scenes were felt so cheap. Like the 200 Golden company men or the 20 people invading and walking through King's landing streets. This is the same show that gave us battle of bastards. Wtf happened.
Battle of the Bastard is the best medieval fight in the entire series.
There's a Pale Mare prophecy in the books when Dany is in Meereen, but it has nothing to do with that other than a white horse.
I hate S7/S8 of GoT like 90% of the time, but even my jaded ass had to take a little pause at the FANTASY EPIC that was Cleganebowl.
Look at this fuckin scene! It's like a fantasy novel cover come to life, it's got elements of Luke and Vader, it's got a necromancer whose power is immediately rendered useless. This was nothing like I imagined yet so much more than I hoped for.
Look at this fuckin scene! It's like a fantasy novel cover come to life, it's got elements of Luke and Vader, it's got a necromancer whose power is immediately rendered useless. This was nothing like I imagined yet so much more than I hoped for.
I think the director(s) and the producer(s) are also to blame. At one point, someone should have stood up and say that things aren't right.
Also I think Drogon basically breathing C4 isn't something the writers came up with.
The only thing to praise imo is acting. The one thing that saves this season from being called worthless and disgraceful.
You gotta keep in mind there is more than one entrance to Kings Landing. The attackers and defenders were likely spread out across the various entrances to the city.
I hadnt heard that.
Speaks to the utter arrogance of Weiss and Benioff though that has them convinced this shit they have produced after the source materials road maps dried up is up to par enough to dismiss the guy who has written the best episodes of the show because his stuff is more bloated....In a show that has continually rushed through the material to great disservice.
Cleganebowl actually exceeded my expectations. I don't know how they pulled it off but those madmen did it.
Not following, I thought both of those things worked well. What was wrong with them?
The break idea was fine. It's been foreshadowed for a while The execution wasn't.
They spent two seasons on what should have been 5.
No doubt in my mind this will be a great ending in the books
Jamie getting stabbed through his torso TWICE, then being able to walk all the way up to the Red Keep was pretty lame. But I guess they had to write in a way for him to finally see Cersei again, so they can die together. Their double death was very unsatisfying, as I was hoping to see Cersei's head on a stake, at least.
I propose the following:
- Thread title to say "No untagged finale speculation".
- Force speculation on the finale to be in spoiler tags, using the format suggested above by Coyote.
Not allowing speculation at all makes no sense and is not an unfair or enforceable rule, IMO.
I can draft a mod-post and threadmark it, if you like. I'll also add something about civility because things are getting heated way too often in here.
Excellent post, agreed completely.
No, this is wrong. There is no Night King in the books.
Now, some of those major story beats are indeed GRRM's, but you'll notice the complaints are not about that, but about how it wasn't earned or didn't make sense. It's entirely possible to write a convincing descent into madness for Dany and I have faith that GRRM will succeed at it; hell, he made Jaime, a dude who pushed a child out of a window to protect his incestuous affair, sympathetic. People aren't complaining that Dany had a heel turn, but about how it happened because it was ridiculously contrived.
Anyway, stop assuming that the TV show is faithful to what GRRM will write, because it's clear you don't know what you're talking about. D&D themselves admitted that the Night King, and later, Arya killing him, was their invention.
I enjoyed the whole season so far. ERA seems to be a negative feedback loop for people that want to hate the show.
I've slept on it and... I still can't believe that Danaerys's turn, which has been build to for almost a decade, still somehow felt unearned. The show has cared far too much about sympathizing for Dany, and that gives her turn total whiplash. That, plus the fact that the contents of her turn make no sense. It would still be a turn if she unintentionally killed innocents in pursuit of her goals. Like, if she smashes up the castle in search of Cersei and hundreds of civilians get smushed by falling rubble, she's still the bad guy there and it's less absurd in terms of her character motivations than straight-up burning innocent people. Absolutely no subtlety in the way it was executed. Well-intentioned people can still hurt others, and this seemed to be the story they were going for with her. Instead they turned her into a fucking cartoon villain.
So yeah, I'm still frustrated.
So yeah, I'm still frustrated.
This would have been great. Two birds, one stone.
He looked like he came in from a Pirates of the Caribbean set.
Thank you!
Also weren't you supposed to be getting some sleep? lol
Yep, and just before this episode Euron's arrows steamrolled Dany's dragons.
I don't think it's arrogance as much as the fact that the show eventually has to end, so a 4-hour version of the Blackwater just isn't going to fit into what is ultimately about an 80-hour show lol
Finally got a chance to see it and, man, what a dumb fucking episode. It's a shame, because it could have been a great episode if they had done the actual writing work for make this stuff believable.
The worst two things for me were probably these:
- Drogon's plot armor getting activated and all of the scorpion ballistae suddenly failing miserable despite the conditions being far better. It's just impossible to take this at face value after seeing what happened to Rhaegal last episode.
- Dany. I'm sure it's already been said to death in these threads, but they did not earn the Mad Queen thing at all. Not even close. She never once expressed any desire in gleefully slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent people and children. She was fine with collateral damage if it meant removing Cersei and her people, but even then she wanted to do it to guarantee no more tyrants would rule over the people. Her destroying the upper part of the city and the red keep would been in character, but just indiscriminately flying through the entire city and obliterating it? No, not at all. That was completely random and out of character.
Sucks that the writers have been favoring pure spectacle over making anything make sense in context for... well a good while now.
The worst two things for me were probably these:
- Drogon's plot armor getting activated and all of the scorpion ballistae suddenly failing miserable despite the conditions being far better. It's just impossible to take this at face value after seeing what happened to Rhaegal last episode.
- Dany. I'm sure it's already been said to death in these threads, but they did not earn the Mad Queen thing at all. Not even close. She never once expressed any desire in gleefully slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent people and children. She was fine with collateral damage if it meant removing Cersei and her people, but even then she wanted to do it to guarantee no more tyrants would rule over the people. Her destroying the upper part of the city and the red keep would been in character, but just indiscriminately flying through the entire city and obliterating it? No, not at all. That was completely random and out of character.
Sucks that the writers have been favoring pure spectacle over making anything make sense in context for... well a good while now.
The Others in the books are White Walkers, but there is no singular "leader" or "big bad dude"
Yeeeeeeep. The Night King was invented for the show so the Audience would have a face to put with the enemy rather than the heroes facing a nameless faceless enemy horde.
So they will still win in the books, but it won't be because Arya killed the Night King. Its one of the things I most want to know from the books now actually. How do they really win?
What the hell is that indeed. As far as the positives of episode 5 are concerned,
The directing, special effects, and acting were top notch.
Tyrion freeing Jaime was a touching scene. Well done.
Cleganebowl was pure fan service done right. RIP the hound.
Qyburn's death scene was short but sweet. Killed by his own creation was cool.
The ridiculousness of this shortened season is simply staggeringly disappointing. To those saying Dany going "full Mad Queen" was fully in line with where her character has been going from the very start is bullshit. The thing people need to understand is Dany NEVER attacked the people, she literally never turned her anger, her dragons on women and children. Imaging Dany flying around Kings Landing yelling dracarys while watching little boys and girls go up in flames, mothers and children exploding. I don't mind Dany going crazy to some degree, and I've never been a big fan of hers in all honesty, however what she did in episode 5 goes against everything she ever believed in and fought for, and was character assassination to the highest degree. Just a massive head-shake.
Varys and his overall arc, treacherously stating while speaking with Jon "men decide where power resides, weather or not they know it is" was sexist and a disappointing end to his character.
Bran? Utterly useless. Cercei, while doing her best to bring about this war and her prophecy (remember that)? Pointless and useless. Jaime? Disappointing and useless. Arya? Useless. Euron and his fleet of ships, from one episode to another? A giant WTF and head-shake.
The directing, special effects, and acting were top notch.
Tyrion freeing Jaime was a touching scene. Well done.
Cleganebowl was pure fan service done right. RIP the hound.
Qyburn's death scene was short but sweet. Killed by his own creation was cool.
The ridiculousness of this shortened season is simply staggeringly disappointing. To those saying Dany going "full Mad Queen" was fully in line with where her character has been going from the very start is bullshit. The thing people need to understand is Dany NEVER attacked the people, she literally never turned her anger, her dragons on women and children. Imaging Dany flying around Kings Landing yelling dracarys while watching little boys and girls go up in flames, mothers and children exploding. I don't mind Dany going crazy to some degree, and I've never been a big fan of hers in all honesty, however what she did in episode 5 goes against everything she ever believed in and fought for, and was character assassination to the highest degree. Just a massive head-shake.
Varys and his overall arc, treacherously stating while speaking with Jon "men decide where power resides, weather or not they know it is" was sexist and a disappointing end to his character.
Bran? Utterly useless. Cercei, while doing her best to bring about this war and her prophecy (remember that)? Pointless and useless. Jaime? Disappointing and useless. Arya? Useless. Euron and his fleet of ships, from one episode to another? A giant WTF and head-shake.
She's seen that she can free millions of slaves and more by "taking the throne" in Essos. She started out not wanting or expecting it either, but she found she could do good with her power. It is more than just MUH DESTINY, but that whole break the wheel thing hasn't been at the forefront of her character since... Tyrion and Varys took over as hand and advisor? Hold on a second
I hate S7/S8 of GoT like 90% of the time, but even my jaded ass had to take a little pause at the FANTASY EPIC that was Cleganebowl.
Look at this fuckin scene! It's like a fantasy novel cover come to life, it's got elements of Luke and Vader, it's got a necromancer whose power is immediately rendered useless. This was nothing like I imagined yet so much more than I hoped for.
In terms of spectacle and visual direction, I think it was a stellar episode. Some cool shit happened, but Cleganebowl was really the only thing that felt earned.
Lol uuuuuh
The Night King only exists in the show and Benioff and Weiss have explicitly stated Arya killing him is their idea, so....
Thanks! I am glad someone saw it! I will post it in the LEGO hangout, I should have figured out it would be buried :D
Bran was nowhere to be seen in this episode. I guess his infinite wisdom was not worth much at all? Or does he pull a "Dr. Strange" where he lets bad things happen in order for better things to come?
So RR Martin gave the ending to DD? So at the very least we know the ending of the show will be similar to the books then?
I'd agree with you, except the fight itself was entirely close shot fast cuts. I thought this and the Jamie/ Euron fight were some of the worst shot one on one fights of the series. Shame because the bigger battles this episode were great.I hate S7/S8 of GoT like 90% of the time, but even my jaded ass had to take a little pause at the FANTASY EPIC that was Cleganebowl.
Look at this fuckin scene! It's like a fantasy novel cover come to life, it's got elements of Luke and Vader, it's got a necromancer whose power is immediately rendered useless. This was nothing like I imagined yet so much more than I hoped for.
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Yeah go for it, "read staff post" in the title would be much appreciated