Game of Thrones S8 |OT3| My watch has ended. (FULL SPOILERS) (See Staff Post)

plow

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All of this wouldn't have happened, if the didn't "kill off" the young griff. The last Season would have made a lot more sense. But no, they decided to focus all on Cersei.
 

Budi

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Just wait for that scene I think it was in season 5 where there's a close up of some random dude's balls for no goddamn reason.
Haha, vaguely remember that now that you mentioned it. Tried to google it too, but all I found was story by Harrington almost losing his balls during filming. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kit-harington-balls-testicle_n_5cb7495fe4b0c53a1705b7e2?guccounter=1

Also found this interesting in the same article, as Harrington is part of that youtube video that keeps being reposted about the actors hating the final season like it was Brie Larson. The article is from last april, after the premiere and mixed reactions.

Harington took a ballsy stand against anyone who had a problem with the show’s latest episode during an interview with Esquire published Monday.

“I think no matter what anyone thinks about this season — and I don’t mean to sound mean about critics here — but whatever critic spends half an hour writing about this season and makes their [negative] judgment on it, in my head they can go fuck themselves,” he said, sounding testy.

The actor added that he “doesn’t give a fuck” about what people think about the show’s last few episodes because “I know how much work was put into this.”

Edit: His reaction to the first episode script

And the actor admitted that he, too, was critical when he first saw the script for the pilot episode back in 2009.

“I remember thinking, What is this crock of shit? I don’t understand this. I’m going to have to read this again,” Harington recalled. “And I read it again. And I’m like, I still don’t get this shit at all. I think it’s kind of weird, but it’s HBO and alright, let’s do it. I would love to get this. And I think that’s what people feel when they start watching it. Or when they hear about it. Like, “No. Fantasy—weird.”

He added: “But you watch it, you invest in it, and you go, “Okay, I’ll buy into this world. Fine. I’m in.”
 
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Haha, vaguely remember that now that you mentioned it. Tried to google it too, but all I found was story by Harrington almost losing his balls during filming. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kit-harington-balls-testicle_n_5cb7495fe4b0c53a1705b7e2?guccounter=1

Also found this interesting in the same article, as Harrington is part of that youtube video that keeps being reposted about the actors hating the final season like it was Brie Larson. The article is from last april.

Harington took a ballsy stand against anyone who had a problem with the show’s latest episode during an interview with Esquire published Monday.

“I think no matter what anyone thinks about this season — and I don’t mean to sound mean about critics here — but whatever critic spends half an hour writing about this season and makes their [negative] judgment on it, in my head they can go fuck themselves,” he said, sounding testy.

The actor added that he “doesn’t give a fuck” about what people think about the show’s last few episodes because “I know how much work was put into this.”
I don't blame him really, the amount of work and effort the cast and crew put into this is mind blowing, so I get where he's coming from.
Don't necessarily agree with it though. But it does throw a wrench at those thinking Kit hates this season lol.
 

Zefah

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She wouldn't have brought thousands of her people to possibly die on a foreign shore. Once she had set up her capital city in Essos she was set for life, but she wanted even more than that. She has spent most of her life in Essos, she knows it better than Westeros by a long mile.
She grew up in the Free Cities, which were very different to those places she later went to liberate.
 

pants

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Big dick calculated move by Dany would be to have Grey Worm kill Jon in the middle of the chaos of the battle and blame the Lannisters for it.
Superimposing my own interpretation of the story here, but IMO she is so mentally isolated at this point that I think shes willing to put up with Jon despite his wishy washiness because she at least believes he is honorable to a fault – and maybe because he is also the only other Targaryen.

Jon is her last vulnerability, and tragically probably her fatal weakness.
 
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Haha, vaguely remember that now that you mentioned it. Tried to google it too, but all I found was story by Harrington almost losing his balls during filming. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kit-harington-balls-testicle_n_5cb7495fe4b0c53a1705b7e2?guccounter=1

Also found this interesting in the same article, as Harrington is part of that youtube video that keeps being reposted about the actors hating the final season like it was Brie Larson. The article is from last april, after the premiere and mixed reactions.

Harington took a ballsy stand against anyone who had a problem with the show’s latest episode during an interview with Esquire published Monday.

“I think no matter what anyone thinks about this season — and I don’t mean to sound mean about critics here — but whatever critic spends half an hour writing about this season and makes their [negative] judgment on it, in my head they can go fuck themselves,” he said, sounding testy.

The actor added that he “doesn’t give a fuck” about what people think about the show’s last few episodes because “I know how much work was put into this.”

Edit: His reaction to the first episode script

And the actor admitted that he, too, was critical when he first saw the script for the pilot episode back in 2009.

“I remember thinking, What is this crock of shit? I don’t understand this. I’m going to have to read this again,” Harington recalled. “And I read it again. And I’m like, I still don’t get this shit at all. I think it’s kind of weird, but it’s HBO and alright, let’s do it. I would love to get this. And I think that’s what people feel when they start watching it. Or when they hear about it. Like, “No. Fantasy—weird.”

He added: “But you watch it, you invest in it, and you go, “Okay, I’ll buy into this world. Fine. I’m in.”
I don't blame him really, the amount of work and effort the cast and crew put into this is mind blowing, so I get where he's coming from.
Don't necessarily agree with it though. But it does throw a wrench at those thinking Kit hates this season lol.
Kit does mention in the behind the scenes that he was pissed at first when he found out Maisie killed the NK

Meaning he was pissed at the table read since that was the first time he saw what the scripts had. Must’ve been awkward.
 

Budi

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Kit does mention in the behind the scenes that he was pissed at first when he found out Maisie killed the NK

Meaning he was pissed at the table read since that was the first time he saw what the scripts had. Must’ve been awkward.
Haha, I looked that clip up. I'd want to be the one killing Night King too if I was in the show, but I don't have the acting talent or looks for being at it. Emilia Clarke seemed like she was surprised too, also thought it could have been her or Jon. But also said that everyone was whooping and cheering at Maisie at the read. It's indeed bit awkard if Harington made a scene about it, considering how much pressure Williams already felt being a small girl killing the big baddie instead than the heroic man many people expect. Even her boyfriend said it should had been Jon instead (I find that bit dickish from the boyfriend). Though Harington seemed to come around to it "eventually Although Harington, like Williams, also thought his character would be the one to kill the Night King, he actually liked the twist as well. “It gives Arya’s training a purpose to have an end goal,” Harington told E.W. “It’s much better how she does it the way she does it. . . . There’s also something about it not being the person you expect. The young lady sticks it to the man.

Also chuckled at this from Williams "So then I was like, Fuck you Jon, I get it!"
 

BossAttack

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That's not really an issue, an actor is required to do their job, just because they have views on the character doesn't mean the screenwriter or director should listen to them. In this case, he's absolutely right as he's literally back by the source material. But, they aren't monsters for not listening to him. Mark Hamill had some stupid ass ideas for Luke in ROTJ and Lucas listened and nodded but then went, "nah, we're no doing that."
 

Volimar

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I really think people are reading too much into these behind the scenes/interview anecdotes. Some of it is just goofy stuff actors say about their roles, especially when they're not allowed to talk about them.

One interesting thing though is in that interview with Nik posted a few posts up, he says he had these issues with things not making sense since season 4. <thinking emoji>
 

KarmaCow

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All of this wouldn't have happened, if the didn't "kill off" the young griff. The last Season would have made a lot more sense. But no, they decided to focus all on Cersei.
Eh, her torching King's Landing after they surrender wouldn't be better if fAegon was on the throne. It would make Varys not as idiotic but in the end the real problem her cartoonish turn due to the compressed timeline of episodes. The only way to save it is to have a different timeline of events that doesn't result in her "snapping" in the penultimate episode and the removal of any kind of nuance over whether or not Dany needs to be taken out.
 

Blader

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That's not really an issue, an actor is required to do their job, just because they have views on the character doesn't mean the screenwriter or director should listen to them. In this case, he's absolutely right as he's literally back by the source material. But, they aren't monsters for not listening to him. Mark Hamill had some stupid ass ideas for Luke in ROTJ and Lucas listened and nodded but then went, "nah, we're no doing that."
Right. Actors clashing or having differences of opinion with their writers/directors happens all the fucking time.

Lmao, absolutely how I feel about how they treated Jamie’s character. I wouldn’t even be mad about how Jamie died, but they needed another arch of Jamie coming to terms with his inability to live a life without Cersai instead of him just suddenly leaving Brienne in the middle of the night.
That only works if they take a season that expands the gap in between defeating the Night King and Dany/Jon marching on King's Landing. The reason he leaves Brienne in the middle of the night is because if he waits any longer Cersei will be dead by the time he gets there anyway.

I really think people are reading too much into these behind the scenes/interview anecdotes. Some of it is just goofy stuff actors say about their roles, especially when they're not allowed to talk about them.

One interesting thing though is in that interview with Nik posted a few posts up, he says he had these issues with things not making sense since season 4. <thinking emoji>
I forget where, but I was reading an article somewhere yesterday that was framing some quotes from how Conleth Hill hated the last few seasons, hated that Varys was killed, etc. And then I go read the original interview and he says repeatedly he likes where it all ends up and how Varys goes out, but still felt personally bad about being killed off and wished Varys had been a bigger role in the last couple seasons though understands that he's not one of the main characters. Too many people are trying to make mountains out of molehills with their "see! the actors hate it too!!" takes just to validate their own feelings about S8, 7, etc.
 

Budi

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That's not really an issue, an actor is required to do their job, just because they have views on the character doesn't mean the screenwriter or director should listen to them. In this case, he's absolutely right as he's literally back by the source material. But, they aren't monsters for not listening to him. Mark Hamill had some stupid ass ideas for Luke in ROTJ and Lucas listened and nodded but then went, "nah, we're no doing that."
Yeah people really do have rather exaggerated reactions to these things. It's hardly throwing shade or anything to pitch your own ideas and vision to directors, writers or showrunners. Kinski and Herzog regularly had fist fights and literally threatened to kill each other, that's alarming. What Coster-Waldau is describing there is rather ordinary. And I'm interested to hear about it, but people take it to ridiculousness.
 

Maxim726x

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Hey... What are the odds that Dany does indeed 'break the wheel', get taken out, and then the 7 kingdoms are left to rule themselves independently?

What if no one sits on the throne?
 

bremon

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Calling a character stupid is imo the worst, laziest piece of criticism because 9 times out of 10 when people say this character is stupid, they're projecting their own hindsight + third-person omniscience onto a character who would naturally have neither. But having said that, Jon is just that stupid. He's honorable to the point of idiocy. He shouldn't have told Sansa, he shouldn't have told Dany in the first place, he shouldn't have told Cersei he pledged himself to Dany, and so on and so on. Jon is just a bad leader.
What amplifies his stupidity is that he knows what happened to Ned due to being honourable to a fault yet he doubles down on it rather than learning that it’s easier to change things when your head is still on your shoulders.

He has Ned’s “muh ‘onour” issues cranked to 11 mixed with Stannis’ “muh dootee” stat maxed out as well. It’s insane that he hasn’t died a second time at this point.
 

Mirage

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What amplifies his stupidity is that he knows what happened to Ned due to being honourable to a fault yet he doubles down on it rather than learning that it’s easier to change things when your head is still on your shoulders.

He has Ned’s “muh ‘onour” issues cranked to 11 mixed with Stannis’ “muh dootee” stat maxed out as well. It’s insane that he hasn’t died a second time at this point.
I feel like he probably only lived because he was staying in the north.
 

Blader

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The thing about Tyrion is that while his plans for Casterly Rock or anything to do with Cersei were failures, he was useful in getting Dany to trust Jon. Especially when Jon's first reaction to Dany was to basically defy her.
 

GMM

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That only works if they take a season that expands the gap in between defeating the Night King and Dany/Jon marching on King's Landing. The reason he leaves Brienne in the middle of the night is because if he waits any longer Cersei will be dead by the time he gets there anyway.
Absolutely, but the chain of events are so sudden that I didn’t find it believable that Jamie would do it in that manner, if anything the Brienne stuff should have happened sooner and show Jamie being conflicted about where his life was taking him and his inability to escape his true nature.
 

Blader

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Hey... What are the odds that Dany does indeed 'break the wheel', get taken out, and then the 7 kingdoms are left to rule themselves independently?

What if no one sits on the throne?
This was my prediction at the beginning of the year, although I had Dany destroying the throne and letting the seven kingdoms to rule themselves. Think it's safe to say that won't be happening now lol, but I could see Jon now fulfilling that role instead.
 

Budi

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Right. Actors clashing or having differences of opinion with their writers/directors happens all the fucking time.


That only works if they take a season that expands the gap in between defeating the Night King and Dany/Jon marching on King's Landing. The reason he leaves Brienne in the middle of the night is because if he waits any longer Cersei will be dead by the time he gets there anyway.


I forget where, but I was reading an article somewhere yesterday that was framing some quotes from how Conleth Hill hated the last few seasons, hated that Varys was killed, etc. And then I go read the original interview and he says repeatedly he likes where it all ends up and how Varys goes out, but still felt personally bad about being killed off and wished Varys had been a bigger role in the last couple seasons though understands that he's not one of the main characters. Too many people are trying to make mountains out of molehills with their "see! the actors hate it too!!" takes just to validate their own feelings about S8, 7, etc.
It's rather funny how that short clip with Coster-Waldau in the tweet leaves out the last few words of his answer to the question for no apparent reason. Where he is concluding with "I don't how to do this! How do you do it? And they go yeah we hear you, just try it........and then it turns out okay". Hard to understand cutting someone off mid sentence.

To be fair about the Conleth Hill interview, while he doesn't definitely say he hates the show, the final season or his own ending (that he liked). He does mention that his character seemed to lose all his intelligence in the end and just appeared for weather reports because he seemed to know nothing anymore. It seemed to be something that disappointed him that his character didn't have much importance and meaning anymore as you also said. Hill also admits that it's rather personal and selfish thing and the nature of multi-character show. He would have also wanted a final scene with Littlefinger and to be there when he died, because he was his nemesis. But I don't know how that could be taken as throwing shade either.
 
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Neoweee

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Hey... What are the odds that Dany does indeed 'break the wheel', get taken out, and then the 7 kingdoms are left to rule themselves independently?

What if no one sits on the throne?
Speculation:

That's my guess after the last episode. The Seven Kingdoms began after a Targaryen atrocity and show of force, and basically will end after one. Dany wanted to Break the Wheel, and that's it. Somebody here mentioned that the Targaryen dynasty was an improvement for the best, but the last 50 years (out of about 300) have been generally bad leadership. She's a foreign invader, and has only a single dragon to try to rule the entire continent.

I think Sansa being so thoroughly competent and deserving to be queen has pushed me over the edge on it. She has absolutely no claim to the Seven Kingdoms, but she'd be a great queen. So why not Queen in the North?