I mean I accept he could be a zombie. We had a whole army of them. But it just seems beyond Cerseis evil doctors ability. It just always sat weird with me even if he was cool looking.
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Game of Thrones S8 |OT3| Best season evar. (FULL SPOILERS) (See Staff Post)
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I mean I accept he could be a zombie. We had a whole army of them. But it just seems beyond Cerseis evil doctors ability. It just always sat weird with me even if he was cool looking.
I mean, that picture is depicting the destruction of King's Landing by Cersei using wildfire, but the visual is certainly striking.
I quite enjoyed the episode. Very cinematic and well down. The only gripes I have are about Jaime... I feel like went from sleeping with Brienne to, I need to rescue Cersei right now real quick. Wish there was more to it than him just finding Cersei and dying together. The Dany thing is something they've been foreshadowing for a while now, I really didn't have a problem with her snapping.
Someone summed it up nicely but GRRM writes really believable characters and let's his characters find their way through the story. It ends with great characters, but he clearly struggled with getting it characters in the right spot at times (he cites Dany in Mareen as an example). With an end date you have D&D trying to really funnel everything back in, in a short amount of time. The strength of GRMM characters is probably what's taking him so long to write it all. Wish they went with more episodes but, clearly, can't dwell on that anymore lol.
It definitely felt more like they caught the other damaged dragon by surprise. Once aware, Drogon evaded all the other arrows last week too. This week she used the sun's glare and came down on them at a steep angle.
In a show about magic and dragons... that makes enough sense to go with it.
Someone summed it up nicely but GRRM writes really believable characters and let's his characters find their way through the story. It ends with great characters, but he clearly struggled with getting it characters in the right spot at times (he cites Dany in Mareen as an example). With an end date you have D&D trying to really funnel everything back in, in a short amount of time. The strength of GRMM characters is probably what's taking him so long to write it all. Wish they went with more episodes but, clearly, can't dwell on that anymore lol.
It definitely felt more like they caught the other damaged dragon by surprise. Once aware, Drogon evaded all the other arrows last week too. This week she used the sun's glare and came down on them at a steep angle.
In a show about magic and dragons... that makes enough sense to go with it.
I might not have liked it, but this is a really good watch. They went all in on this episode. I can't believe they actually burned people alive.
I think we started to see signs of her change in season 7, and what happened in the last episode wasn't out of step with that. She became obsessed with her identity and what she felt was her right to the throne of the seven kingdoms, and she placed its importance above all else.
This was apparent when she:
*Demanded that Jon bend the knee even after she knew he was a genuinely good person and would be a reliable ally (and after falling in love with him!), despite the position that'd put him in in the North.
*When Sansa was understandably angry with the situation in S8E1, Daenerys, instead of allowing Sansa her anger, said "you should respect your queen"
*When Jon revealed to Daenerys his true identity, her sole concern was keeping her claim to the throne, regardless of who had the better birthright. Not even ruling together (as lovers!) seemed to have crossed her mind.
Her becoming Queen of *all* seven kingdoms became paramount, regardless the cost. I disliked this change of character, because it seemed very at odds with her identity in earlier seasons, but it foreshadowed her decision to destroy King's Landing out of anger.
She became wrapped up in her own desires, and had began to feel that even her own allies were attempting to keep her from her throne, while the only adviser she fully trusted had just been executed before her. As she said in the last episode, she will now rule through fear.
I was #TeamDaenerys prior to her landing in Westeros.
Yeeeeeeep. It is absolutely wild that they made the mad king look tame by comparison.
That's bad writing and characterization.
Right, and then their forces using that as permission to sack the city would make more thematic sense.
Still allowing all the horror and "what have I done" moments for Jon. Dany can double back and attack troops in civilian populations if she wants to ratchet it up.
But of course her flying to the red keep to destroy it denies Sandor's arc, Jaime's ridiculous arc, Arya's ridiculous arc, so they had to have her just mow through civilians for thirty minutes for plot reasons.
Will be the most memorable example of character assassination I've ever seen. Sleeping it over didn't change the fact that I'm still baffled at how dirty they did Dany this episode.
Nah. Dany isn't a character I like very much (book and show), and I believe they just ruined her arc completely. It's not even what happened, it's what lead us there.
I hate S7/S8 of GoT like 90% of the time, but even my jaded ass had to take a little pause at the FANTASY EPIC that was Cleganebowl.
Look at this fuckin scene! It's like a fantasy novel cover come to life, it's got elements of Luke and Vader, it's got a necromancer whose power is immediately rendered useless. This was nothing like I imagined yet so much more than I hoped for.
I said these exact words when this shot came up.
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I do think it's rushed but in the first 7 seasons Dany
-burns innocent people
-burns innocent people
-burns innocent people
Also I was speaking mostly of the "casual" (tv-only, not theorizing) fandom. The books definitely do a better job complicating Dany to the point where I can see disliking her in the books, but I'm not really sure why you'd dislike her in the show when she gets a lot of real hero edits
I like how they made it seem like Cersei had a chance and then the battle ends with just Drogon.
Why did Dany need an army again?
Why did Dany need an army again?
It's not even that, because in broad strokes I think it makes some sense.
It's how we got here that's causing a lot of strife.
I think someone said that this is what she meant by "fear it is, then" when she spoke to jon. This was a message to preempt anyone who would fight her for Jon.
Perhaps, it's better for Jon to see Dany for what she is rather then trying to convince him.
Say what you want about Stark sense of loyalty and honor (something I love about them) but the lines are always clear for them, even if they don't like it.
People fucked Jon, he cut thier heads off, he didn't blame other "influences", he firmly stood with the idea, if influences are going to come at him, then come.
He cut down his own man during the onslaught, that's leadership.
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If Cersei had elephants it would've gone way differently.
I mean yeah, he pretty much said the same with Jamie and Theon. Also does he even care what the world of man does... he seemed to only care about the long night.
I mean yeah, he pretty much said the same with Jamie and Theon. Also does he even care what the world of man does... he seemed to only care about the long night.
I would be real ready for how we get there to be 90% the same in the books but with lots more Dorne shenangians
The poor elephants would all be burned though. In some ways I'm glad they're not here.
I'm far from a Griffith stan. My point was that at least the people who try to justify his actions have an argument to make. There's no argument that could be made to justify what D&D made Dany do. It didn't make sense in the moment, and it was unsupported by her development over the last seven seasons.
For the most part, I've still enjoyed this season but just like last season, it's feeling rushed. Less episodes was a mistake for sure.
Dany going mad was done far too quick, when it should have been done with more build up, making it more believable. They should have had more hints of her going mad over the last few seasons, not just in 2 episodes this season lol.
Then on the other end of the scale, we got 2 massive build up's, both from the very first episode onward (Night King / WW's and Cersie) and they both ended with disappointing whimper, instead of some grand, satisfying pay off.
I did enjoy the Kings Landing battle or should I say slaughter lol plus Cleganebowl and Jamie vs Euron though.
Dany going mad was done far too quick, when it should have been done with more build up, making it more believable. They should have had more hints of her going mad over the last few seasons, not just in 2 episodes this season lol.
Then on the other end of the scale, we got 2 massive build up's, both from the very first episode onward (Night King / WW's and Cersie) and they both ended with disappointing whimper, instead of some grand, satisfying pay off.
I did enjoy the Kings Landing battle or should I say slaughter lol plus Cleganebowl and Jamie vs Euron though.
I'm hoping the final battle is actually against Aegon in the books, with Cersei having died well before. That seems to be what they're setting up anyway.
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Imagine still trying to handwave criticism as the "Era bubble", especially after these last two (well, three really) episodes.
Would it be enough to counter dragon fire? Drogon's flames are busted af.
Yeah, this is everywhere.
LOL this is gold, the comments you posted too.Reddit is a goldmine.
But that's kind of their point to Cersei not surrendering prior. Drogon's been hit once, Rhaegal got done dirty...huh maybe I can wait this shit out if the dragons are effectively neutralized. It makes her overconfident. Makes her think she can get away with murdering Missandei and flipping Dany the bird. There's really no conflict if the ballistas don't exist to buoy up Cersei's confidence.
But, when you're defending a fixed position with these hulking weapons and Dany already knows where they are? And she's shown she can dodge ice lances and ballistas quiet effectively when she knows they're there? Byeeee.
That would be awesome but I think it's unlikely given that GRRM shared the denoument with D&D. I think the first 4 episodes' material will be super different but I think this episode and the next one will be more or less the same.
Exactly, this was handled so so poorly, there was absolutely no reason for her to turn on the people lol, her anger was squarely with Cersei and Euron and to a lesser extent their armies. That moment ruined this whole episode. Make it believable.
They were ungrateful cunts to be fairRemember when this was Tyrion:
Now he's all about the Geneva Conventions and getting his own allies killed.
Remember when this was Tyrion:
Now he's all about the Geneva Conventions and getting his own allies killed.
I don't really mind him not wanting a city turned into ashes. It's just that literally he does works out, so he's come off as insanely annoying.
I hate S7/S8 of GoT like 90% of the time, but even my jaded ass had to take a little pause at the FANTASY EPIC that was Cleganebowl.
Look at this fuckin scene! It's like a fantasy novel cover come to life, it's got elements of Luke and Vader, it's got a necromancer whose power is immediately rendered useless. This was nothing like I imagined yet so much more than I hoped for.
Yeah this shot was fucking beautiful. Definitely felt like concept art come to life.
Dance of Dragons II, would be amazing to read. It'd make her turn even more sad too.
Yep, should have gone STRAIGHT FOR THE WOMAN SHE IS SO ANGRY AT and burned the whole thing to the ground. Then in the chaos innocents get hurt and her allies start going oh dear. Even then if you really want to go further have her then start burning EVERYTHING after that to make her become the complete insane mad queen they apparently wanted?
As it is, she didn't even care about getting to Cersei lol. Wasted all that time, Cersei could have left ages ago. :\
Are we supposed to believe Dany does all that then after her people are like "Cersei got away your grace." and she just shrugs. WTF WAS THE POINT OF ALL THIS? Didn't even get her revenge.
"But she mad tho."
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Eeeeeggh you're probably right. I'd love for the books to be very meaningfully different than the show. Young Griff seems like too important of a character for him to not factor into the ending in some way.
I mean this was all foreshadowed not only in the books, but Bran's visions right?
He saw crumbling Red Keep.
He saw dragon(s) flying over King's Landing.
Overall, I think the story will end well - the problem has been the pacing these last 2 season. We're sued to much more fleshed out characters, and that would have helped a lot in understanding why Dany went fill CrayQueen.
He saw crumbling Red Keep.
He saw dragon(s) flying over King's Landing.
Overall, I think the story will end well - the problem has been the pacing these last 2 season. We're sued to much more fleshed out characters, and that would have helped a lot in understanding why Dany went fill CrayQueen.
I believe we all got the hints. However, that kind of behavior from Dany was still somewhat "acceptable", for someone who is used to rule as an absolute monarch. Like Tyrion said to Varys, kings and queens don't like to have their authority questioned. We all saw her becoming gradually greedy towards power, but that wasn't really enough to justify last episode's slaughtering.
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And angry idiots storming to Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB to show their nerd rage.
He lets bad things happen for the greater good. Only thing is, there's no indication that he cares about the human on human conflict since the NK has been defeated. I feel like if it were up to him he'd go back to that tree in the North.
As an actor, she's got to try to get into her character's headspace somehow. I don't blame her. She can't just go "yep, she's crazy"
This interview also draws attention to how dumb it is when even the person playing the character can't justify what a turn it was to murder the whole city. She's trying to justify it, but it's just bad and unearned
This is just being negative for the sake of being negative. Euron lucked out against a distracted Dany and a wounded dragon. They succeeded in a surprise attack that led them to become overconfident.
Next thing they know, Dany and Drogon actually come prepared and all their bullshit little weapons mean nothing. It's basically the bad guys playing themselves, and Cersei's delusional speech is the proof.
You guys keep asking for nuance but you refuse to hear anything that isn't hammered in your skull.
