I mean I accept he could be a zombie. We had a whole army of them. But it just seems beyond Cerseis evil doctors ability. It just always sat weird with me even if he was cool looking.
I mean, that picture is depicting the destruction of King's Landing by Cersei using wildfire, but the visual is certainly striking.
Yep, and just before this episode Euron's arrows steamrolled Dany's dragons.
No matter what you think of the story/episode you really have to appreciate the production values as seen in this:
I think we started to see signs of her change in season 7, and what happened in the last episode wasn't out of step with that. She became obsessed with her identity and what she felt was her right to the throne of the seven kingdoms, and she placed its importance above all else.The NYT spot-on in its analysis. Money quote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/arts/television/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5-bells.html
From the beginning, Daenerys has been merciless with enemies like the witch Mirri Maz Duur, the Essos slave masters, the Lannister army and the Tarlys. Back in Qarth she promised to "lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground." (Done and done.) As I wrote before this season began, messianic streaks as profound as hers can, like Targaryens, go either way.
The problem is we've seen far more evidence that she has deep sympathy for the downtrodden, seemingly born of she herself being treated like chattel in the early phases of this story. It was the main driver of the viewer sympathy that just got upended on Sunday.
"In that swollen moment as the bells rang and everyone watched to see what the Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains would do, I thought she would fly straight for Cersei, her understandable flaming rage at the woman who has legitimately wronged her in multiple ways leading to the sort of tragic unintended consequences that can result from messianic leaders following impulsive instincts.
But what we got was Dany deciding to methodically mass murder the exact same kinds of people she lifted up to forge her savior reputation. (Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains, Scorcher of Innocents doesn't have the same ring to it.)"
Yeeeeeeep. It is absolutely wild that they made the mad king look tame by comparison.
Right, and then their forces using that as permission to sack the city would make more thematic sense.Agreed completely. I thought she was gonna do that too. Rushing towards the Red Keep and burning it all down as part of her vengeance against the Lannisters/Baratheons/etc., and civilians dying as collateral damage while Tyrion and Jon go "noooo dammit", would have been OK. I'd have accepted it.
But Dany going out of her way to target civilians was just completely unearned.
When the bells started ringing and Dany obviously started feeling very conflicted, I thought it was because she did not want to let Cersei have a chance to escape alive. She got up and started flying to the red keep, and I thought she was just going to decimate it right there, but then she started attacking the lower city in a seemingly random fashion and nothing made sense anymore. That was pure character assassination.
Nah. Dany isn't a character I like very much (book and show), and I believe they just ruined her arc completely. It's not even what happened, it's what lead us there.It's probably inevitable. This would have been a completely outstanding 9th episode in a 10 episode season, but even then people probably are just mad because they like Dany and want her to be a hero (like what happened with Stannis, who everyone bafflingly worshipped even though/because he was a complete fascist). We got it as a slightly-undermotivated 5th episode which probably exacerbates the reaction, but I think it would've happened anyway. Fandoms always seem to want neat bows and weddings.
I hate S7/S8 of GoT like 90% of the time, but even my jaded ass had to take a little pause at the FANTASY EPIC that was Cleganebowl.
Look at this fuckin scene! It's like a fantasy novel cover come to life, it's got elements of Luke and Vader, it's got a necromancer whose power is immediately rendered useless. This was nothing like I imagined yet so much more than I hoped for.
Battle Lighting has been turned up 3000x. Complaints that the Battle of Winterfell was too dark have been heard, so Dany will be flying Drogon systematically up and down every alley of King's Landing and torching every building with dragon fire to ensure maximum lighting is reached.
This is bullshit, I spent $5.99 on the Golden Company lootbox and they were useless
also you guys still haven't added the elephants that were in the concept art and press conferences before this expansion.
Nah. Dany isn't a character I like very much (book and show), and I believe they just ruined her arc completely. It's not even what happened, it's what lead us there.
It's not even that, because in broad strokes I think it makes some sense.Nah. Dany isn't a character I like very much (book and show), and I believe they just ruined her arc completely. It's not even what happened, it's what lead us there.
I think someone said that this is what she meant by "fear it is, then" when she spoke to jon. This was a message to preempt anyone who would fight her for Jon.Agreed completely. I thought she was gonna do that too. Rushing towards the Red Keep and burning it all down as part of her vengeance against the Lannisters/Baratheons/etc., and civilians dying as collateral damage while Tyrion and Jon go "noooo dammit", would have been OK. I'd have accepted it.
But Dany going out of her way to target civilians was just completely unearned.
Perhaps, it's better for Jon to see Dany for what she is rather then trying to convince him.Bran was nowhere to be seen in this episode. I guess his infinite wisdom was not worth much at all? Or does he pull a "Dr. Strange" where he lets bad things happen in order for better things to come?
Bran was nowhere to be seen in this episode. I guess his infinite wisdom was not worth much at all? Or does he pull a "Dr. Strange" where he lets bad things happen in order for better things to come?
Not just Era.Wow, That was an awesome episode. Been loving this season.
As expected Era hates it.
No matter what you think of the story/episode you really have to appreciate the production values as seen in this:
It's not even that, because in broad strokes I think it makes some sense.
It's how we got here that's causing a lot of strife.
The poor elephants would all be burned though. In some ways I'm glad they're not here.
oh man we got a Griffith stan and not even in a Berserk thread
I will admit thatFantasia is dope
The poor elephants would all be burned though. In some ways I'm glad they're not here.
I'm hoping the final battle is actually against Aegon in the books, with Cersei having died well before. That seems to be what they're setting up anyway.I would be real ready for how we get there to be 90% the same in the books but with lots more Dorne shenangians
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Would it be enough to counter dragon fire? Drogon's flames are busted af.
Yeah, this is everywhere.
LOL this is gold, the comments you posted too.
I have no issue with that logic or her being able to defeat them, it's all in how the show has presented these things to us. The crossbows being a legitimate threat was built up for years, we do see one kill a dragon (because they were hiding behind rocks I guess). But then when they are finally used in a large battle at scale they do ABSOLUTELY nothing, and we get the exact same fly by of her destroying them 4 or 5 times. It felt like a youtube parody video more than anything. Even a stupid throwaway line about them being hard to turn or having some sort of blindspot would have been nice, but nah Dany just shows up and goes super warlord.
To your point, every time we've seen the dragons in battle they don't fuck around and typically wreck house. It was just a very eye rolling reveal to me.
I'm hoping the final battle is actually against Aegon in the books, with Cersei having died well before. That seems to be what they're setting up anyway.
Exactly, this was handled so so poorly, there was absolutely no reason for her to turn on the people lol, her anger was squarely with Cersei and Euron and to a lesser extent their armies. That moment ruined this whole episode. Make it believable.That's why I don't buy the idea that it was foreshadowed. She's been vengeful and angry at times but it's always been really targeted at specific wrongs on really terrible people. Warlocks, slavers, and witches were killed but never really at the expense of innocents. When her dragon killed a single innocent they were chained up. The Mad King went mad over time without a triggering event aside from paranoid delusions with no basis. This is not that.
They were ungrateful cunts to be fairRemember when this was Tyrion:
Now he's all about the Geneva Conventions and getting his own allies killed.
Remember when this was Tyrion:
Now he's all about the Geneva Conventions and getting his own allies killed.
I hate S7/S8 of GoT like 90% of the time, but even my jaded ass had to take a little pause at the FANTASY EPIC that was Cleganebowl.
Look at this fuckin scene! It's like a fantasy novel cover come to life, it's got elements of Luke and Vader, it's got a necromancer whose power is immediately rendered useless. This was nothing like I imagined yet so much more than I hoped for.
Dance of Dragons II, would be amazing to read. It'd make her turn even more sad too.I'm hoping the final battle is actually against Aegon in the books, with Cersei having died well before. That seems to be what they're setting up anyway.
Eeeeeggh you're probably right. I'd love for the books to be very meaningfully different than the show. Young Griff seems like too important of a character for him to not factor into the ending in some way.That would be awesome but I think it's unlikely given that GRRM shared the denoument with D&D. I think the first 4 episodes' material will be super different but I think this episode and the next one will be more or less the same.
I believe we all got the hints. However, that kind of behavior from Dany was still somewhat "acceptable", for someone who is used to rule as an absolute monarch. Like Tyrion said to Varys, kings and queens don't like to have their authority questioned. We all saw her becoming gradually greedy towards power, but that wasn't really enough to justify last episode's slaughtering.I think we started to see signs of her change in season 7, and what happened in the last episode wasn't out of step with that. She became obsessed with her identity and what she felt was her right to the throne of the seven kingdoms, and she placed its importance above all else.
This was apparent when she:
*Demanded that Jon bend the knee even after she knew he was a genuinely good person and would be a reliable ally (and after falling in love with him!), despite the position that'd put him in in the North.
*When Sansa was understandably angry with the situation in S8E1, Daenerys, instead of allowing Sansa her anger, said "you should respect your queen"
*When Jon revealed to Daenerys his true identity, her sole concern was keeping her claim to the throne, regardless of who had the better birthright. Not even ruling together (as lovers!) seemed to have crossed her mind.
Her becoming Queen of *all* seven kingdoms became paramount, regardless the cost. I disliked this change of character, because it seemed very at odds with her identity in earlier seasons, but it foreshadowed her decision to destroy King's Landing out of anger.
She became wrapped up in her own desires, and had began to feel that even her own allies were attempting to keep her from her throne, while the only adviser she fully trusted had just been executed before her. As she said in the last episode, she will now rule through fear.
I was #TeamDaenerys prior to her landing in Westeros.
And angry idiots storming to Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB to show their nerd rage.
He lets bad things happen for the greater good. Only thing is, there's no indication that he cares about the human on human conflict since the NK has been defeated. I feel like if it were up to him he'd go back to that tree in the North.Bran was nowhere to be seen in this episode. I guess his infinite wisdom was not worth much at all? Or does he pull a "Dr. Strange" where he lets bad things happen in order for better things to come?
Turns out Emilia only acted so well in that episode because she thinks "grief and hurt" justifies genocide...although maybe she didn't actually know what Dany did when she recorded that scene?
Yep, and just before this episode Euron's arrows steamrolled Dany's dragons.
Those civilians weren't gonna rape themselves.I like how they made it seem like Cersei had a chance and then the battle ends with just Drogon.
Why did Dany need an army again?