Yes and black men as well. But gamers will whine and be racist like they've shown before when it's s female lead or like BFV. Then you'll get the can't relate people trying to hide their thinly veiled racism.
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Game pubs & devs should put black women as protagonists immediately (READ OP)
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Did I say you had one? No. If you made a thread about wanting more Latina and Native American representation, is this post below going to help with that? "Don't ask for one race, ask for all?" Should I accuse you of erasing other marginalized groups because you asked for Latina representation. Just because you were specific with what you wanted for an unrepresented group?
That's not what happened.
In general we need more diversity in protagonists. Seems like it's hard to stray away from the typical macho revenge clichés in almost any game that isn't extremely story-heavy and relatively light on gameplay (a là Life Is Strange), as if battling this giant evil, trying to save someone or revenge are like the only motivating factors one can start a quest for, and to do so you need to be a skilled male combatant or a masculine girl. There are exceptions, far more than some decades ago, but more diversity is needed, and not just in regards to the colour of skin.
I agree. And please dev put fat people too. I almost never seen any fat guy or lady leading a game recently
What? For anyone who can't be bothered to go through the thread:
"People talking about representation for other races have ulterior motives"
You: "thank you! They think we can't see through that."
Me: "what's my ulterior motive for talking about Latina representation?"
You: "no I never said that."
I've already said I agree that we need more black women, but I'm also not going to add that we need to see more native American and Latin women. If you think I have an ulterior motive, feel free to tell me what it is.
Uncharted Lost Legacy and Dishonored Death of the Outsider are quite big for you to ignore like this
Because no one is more marginalized than the black woman on this planet. PoC is a catch-all phrase meant to blanket talk everyone and it ultimately serves to undermine black people and even in this topic people were too quick to dismiss the notion the TC brought up.
Absolutely black women should be featured more as the main protagonists and even as the antagonist going forward.
It's cause you're not directly championing the issue at hand, any discussion of additional issues detracts the impact from the OPs statement.
Or I presume that's the argument anyway, I agree with you after all.
All of us here agree on diversity all round.
I agree with you op 100%. Danm this thread went to shit on the first post, black people can't have shit around here sometimes.
Considering the title is "black women" but the OP says: "Black and brown women" I'm not sure what I'm allowed to discuss.
How is demanding more Black and African decent people in games racist towards other ethnic groups? What a silly thing to take away from the OP.
Yes, please on yhis subject. I would love a strong black female lead in way more games. 1 every 10 years ain't even remotely acceptable.
Yes, please on yhis subject. I would love a strong black female lead in way more games. 1 every 10 years ain't even remotely acceptable.
Well luckily we are getting Kassandra with Assassin's Creed Odyssey.
Mediterraneans, particularly olive skinned people such as the Greeks, Southern Italians and Sicilians, southern Spaniards, Berbers, the Levantine peoples, etc are not well represented in media and are typically stereotyped as mafia bosses or shifty people and such. Hopefully Kassandra proves to be a well rounded character.
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Or at least as DLC. Was honestly surprised they didn't do that
This^
If game developers went for diversity in general then I bet we'd have more black protagonists compared to the usual white-black.
You don't have to read the rest of my posts if you don't want to but pathetic? lol okay guy
Then what are you going after me for because I still did not say that. Just saying.
This is the kind of post I'm agreeing with.
Imma just leave these two posts together.
Cool, no self awareness at all even after denying your own statements after being shown them. Keep being curt tho, that's nice.
Ulterior motives, give me a break. You're disingenuous at best and glib at worst; not to mention hypocritical earlier in the thread.
Ignored.
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I always make a black woman when I'm given a character creator in a game. I'm a man and I'm half black, but I pass for white so I'm definitely not making characters that look like me. I'll never understand that argument that players need characters to look like them. So weird to me.
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Death of the outsider is already mentioned in my OP.
Nadine is not the protagonist of LL
If you know about death of the outsider why did you say "its been five years since and we never had anything else"? Also why are you disqualifying chloe?
Despite OP's inclusion of wanting more brown femmes in games, the initial point is the call for more BLACK lead femme protagonists.
Absolutely! I'd love more games with black women protagonists. I really enjoy playing games and reading books about people different than myself.
Y'all need to play Dandara.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/612390/Dandara/
Yeah I'm just gonna ignore all the fuckery going on otherwise.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/612390/Dandara/
Yeah I'm just gonna ignore all the fuckery going on otherwise.
When I played through Origins last year I thought for sure they were doing another trilogy and that the next game would be Aya in Rome. I really wanted to play that.
(Shame about the timing, huh?)
But yeah, sure, more wouldn't hurt.
Good fucking luck getting it to happen any time soon though. Publishers know they risk a backlash, either from the anti-SJW crowd for "forced diversity" or from the social justice crowd for not portraying minorities correctly. They also know that games sell just fine with white/male protagonists.
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What is it with redheaded white women in games? Remedy's Control had the same thing, Meryl from MGS had it, Aloy, Joanna Dark, Nariko in Heavenly Sword, Lilith in Borderlands, etc.
I find it disheartening that indigenous people and Indigenous American/ Canadian characters are frequently and completely glossed over in discussions of this nature. The original colonial wound was wrought by the systemic destruction of these people; a wound for which almost no nations or dominant cultures have apologized. In a decade of gaming I can think of maybe one instance of indigenous lead representation—Devlin Roe (spelling?)—from inFamous. A female indigenous character that wasn't a tokenistic shaman or Pocahontas-style love interest could surely never be found in gaming's annals. That any grievances regarding a lack of representation of this sort aren't acknowledged in most racially-charged debates is doubly sad. There's a complete lack of awareness and a focused disregard toward indigenous people, where if we acknowledge their claims, we therefore invalidate or lessen the importance of our own, more current and topical issues.
This isn't to derail the thread, which is important if not messaged in the most constructive way (I understand what the OP was trying to say, though I see why some took umbrage). That said, I think there's a separate discussion that should occur on indigenous representation, and one perhaps on inclusion in general: how much to force, what to force, and where to force it.
This isn't to derail the thread, which is important if not messaged in the most constructive way (I understand what the OP was trying to say, though I see why some took umbrage). That said, I think there's a separate discussion that should occur on indigenous representation, and one perhaps on inclusion in general: how much to force, what to force, and where to force it.
Remedy at least gets the "excuse" of basing all their characters on their models. Speaking of Borderlands, TPS had Aurelia, if a game with multiple possible protagonists counts.
Why anyone would say no to a new Uncharted trilogy starring Nadine is beyond me.
Naughty Dog, pls respond.
Naughty Dog, pls respond.
Oh and re: red headed white women in games and fiction. It's a trope that's grown over the past decade with the statistical rarity and 'uniqueness' of red hair implying magical powers or inheritance. I'm guilty of creating a character of that sort, though she was directly inspired from the Celtic figure The Morrigan (her name is actually Morigan). Otherwise I write a tremendously diverse and coloured cast of characters.
