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KiNolin

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,296
Remember when Nomura still designed normal characters?

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H.I.V.E.

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
281
Fun fact: In the Japanese version of Punch-Out, Doc Louis is referred to as Little Mac's "trainner", a typo that was corrected when the game was released in English speaking countries.

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Might have played it with the typo I think it looks familiar. All games back then are filled with them though. Even English western made games. With the less time quality control testing.
 

Coricus

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,537
There are many, many reasons why the PoC design and even the context of them being present in Jet Set Radio is kinda questionable, but I really have to give them credit on one character:

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Piranha was a PoC woman that was both actually playable and had natural hair that wasn't one of the "stock PoC hairdos." And aside from the boob stars and severity of the cleavage window, I actually kinda like the outfit.
 

ashtaar

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,518
No. Just because they made a black man smart, does not mean is it was a good character. They still gave him all the stereotypical cliches how a black man is portrayed normally.
And if a black person is portrayed in a better way, then he or she has a lighter skin color. And not to speak about the hair in the games you can make your own character.
What cliches did he have? I'd like to to expand on this
Were there bad dark skinned people in this game I forgot? I'm confused by this post.

Some of my Favs:
Marcus, Adewale, and now Bayek (yeah I love Ubisoft games so sue me)

Lincoln clay was also great as well too bad I didn't much like the game.

Unfav: Cole Train, I didn't even realize how bad he was till I was playing with my brother... yeah less than Ideal
 

Elandyll

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,815
All they commented on Nadine was her hair?
She was a great tough as nails antagonist in UC4, and was given a lot of depth and made even more awesome in Legacy imo.
 

Dax

Member
Oct 25, 2017
187
Might have played it with the typo I think it looks familiar. All games back then are filled with them though. Even English western made games. With the less time quality control testing.

I think such errors add a human quality to older titles, it can certainly give an insight into game development during the 80's and early 90's.
 

Hesdry

Member
Oct 28, 2017
417
Brasil
I did not play enough to know the background story, but I loved the design.

Emmett Graves from Starhawk made by LightBox Interactive (and Santa Monica) for PS3:
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Kthulhu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,670
No. Just because they made a black man smart, does not mean is it was a good character. They still gave him all the stereotypical cliches how a black man is portrayed normally.
And if a black person is portrayed in a better way, then he or she has a lighter skin color. And not to speak about the hair in the games you can make your own character.

What about him did you feel was stereotypical? I must have a bad memory of the game.

I did not play enough to know the background story, but I loved the design.

Emmett Graves from Starhawk made by LightBox Interactive (and Santa Monica) for PS3:
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So that's what he's from.

He fights Kat from Gravity Rush in PlayStation All-Stars.
 

TreIII

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,280
Columbia, MD
Also shout outs to Namco and the Raven/Master Raven characters. Giving us black characters that aren't stereotyped into being boxers/kick boxers and actual bad ass ninjas is a breath of fresh air

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Speaking of Namco:

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As much as I actually loved SCV, losing my man Zas was my biggest problem with the game.

If we ever do get another SC, he needs to come back.
 
Oct 25, 2017
21,456
Sweden
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Andoras Gaffryn from Tactics Ogre, which first released in 1995. He is a bit of a minor character, and is not explored in detail.

However, reading between the lines, he has an interesting story.

He is a dark knight of the Lodissian Empire, the main enemy faction in the game. His backstory is that he was a Prince in Nildahme, a country conquered by the Empire before the start of the game. After the country fell, it was enslaved by the Lodissians. Rather than resist Lodis, he joined their ranks as a dark knight. At the end of the game, his motivation finally becomes clear. He joins Barbas and Martym in a splinter faction of the Dark Knights. Lodis invaded Valeria (the main setting of the game) because they wanted access to demonic powers accessible through the Chaos Gate at the Hanging Gardens, where the Dynast King of Valeria (Valeria's Titos equivalent) died. At the end of the game, the Lodis splinter group (Andoras, Barbas and Martym) tries to take this power for themselves. It is never spelled out, but in my mind, Andoras joined the dark knights of Lodis in order to wait for a moment like this, where he could seize power for himself in order to avenge his people. I find him to be an interesting character, even if his role is minor.
 

Hesdry

Member
Oct 28, 2017
417
Brasil
So that's what he's from.

He fights Kat from Gravity Rush in PlayStation All-Stars.

lol
It's weird for me, as a Brazilian, to laugh like that. I'm used to "OUHAUHAUOHAU" or at least "hahaha".
I dont know why Sony put him in PSAll-Stars. Starhwank (and Warhawk) are Sony's undervalued ip.
 

vypek

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,551
Not many people remember this I think but I loved the game as a kid and thinking back it was quite a rarity to have a black female cop as a protagonist in a game.
I bought it recently from Steam and it didn't work. Same with GOG but GOG helped me troubleshoot it into working. Unfortunately the game felt like complete crap to control so I haven't started it up again.
 

Rogote

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,606
I bought it recently from Steam and it didn't work. Same with GOG but GOG helped me troubleshoot it into working. Unfortunately the game felt like complete crap to control so I haven't started it up again.
I have my PSone disc and fired it up one day and damn it does NOT hold up, no matter how good it was in 1999 x'D
 

Omnistalgic

self-requested temp ban
Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,973
NJ
It's getting better, but sheesh with the lack of hair options already lol.

It's like corn rolls and a fro, or dreads...that's it!
 

mrmyth

Member
Oct 27, 2017
64
I liked Marcus from WD2. He left an immediate impression, so much so that I've never been able to do a gun playthrough because Marcus just isn't that kind of guy. He didn't hit any stereotype buttons for me.
 

M.J.

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,059
What about the guy who says "alla 'dat Juice" in Gears of War? Cole Train, was it? Wasn't he just marvelous?
 

Igniz12

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,437
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Big Bo - Binary Domain

Like every other character in the game, Big Bo seems like a cliche at first glance but by the end they manage to surprise you and last in your memory longer than you'd have thought. Underrated game, underrated characters.



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Rodin - Bayonetta

I don't know what this guys deal is but I get the sense that is he ever got serious you better back the fuck up as far away as you can. The brief moments he shows up in the game are welcomed, I love the way the VA plays him. He also has a touch of the RE4 trader about him.


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Killing Floor - Trader

OG Trader. The one they have now in KF2 is terrible. Its not even a real person, its just a voice.
 
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bobbychalkers

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,603
No. Just because they made a black man smart, does not mean is it was a good character. They still gave him all the stereotypical cliches how a black man is portrayed normally.
And if a black person is portrayed in a better way, then he or she has a lighter skin color. And not to speak about the hair in the games you can make your own character.
Off the top of my head, I don't remember any egregious black cliches from Marcus.
 

Legacy

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
15,704
Lee Everett and Alyx Vance set the bar, hope we see less stereotypes. That being said, I think Grace Walker was a also a great character, even if she did play up to certain stereotypes, she was still in a position of power.