Because options are just so terrible aren't they?
But no "F you got mine" I guess.
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Gameinformer: Every Pokémon in your party gets equal experience automatically as you progress through the game. (No more Exp. Share)
- Thread starter Xavi
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But no "F you got mine" I guess.
Pokemon Blue was easy and modern Pokemon is great since I don't have to buy double AA batteries to play it :P
Because they don't care about anyone besides themselves.
"I don't think this is an issue so clearly anyone who does is wrong."
It really sucks that the option to turn it off is absent.
Not sure if there is something in-game that justifies this or if this is a typical GF design choice made on a whim.
Feeling indifferent to slightly positive about this - I can understand people wanting the option but the grinding in previous games can get very tedious.
There's also potential for the game to be balanced around all Pokémon receiving experience at once so although it's still likely (as it's Pokémon), it's not a given that it'll be super duper easy because of this change.
There's also potential for the game to be balanced around all Pokémon receiving experience at once so although it's still likely (as it's Pokémon), it's not a given that it'll be super duper easy because of this change.
This has been an option since X and Y, they're just taking away the option to turn it off. People have been able to beat Pokemon games without grinding for 6 years now. People who turn the Exp Share off do not do so just to grind, they do so because they want to be underleveled so the game is at least a little bit more difficult.
Anyone who wants to defend this should pay 60 dollars for me to play this game.
Well as I said, there's still potential for the game to be more balanced and a bit more challenging by default. Not the best track record I admit but worth waiting on reviews to see its implementation now it's a concrete change.
Simple, they never played the games that had the Exp Share with options and assume this is a direct jump from the old Exp Share hold item.
It's the only thing that makes sense.
I think one factor is how much EXP you're given.
I don't mind if all your Pokemon get EXP but if the Pokemon don't give out a bunch of EXP in the first place, then it's fine if it'll help keep your team balanced but you can't easily outlevel the competition.
Probably doing a scaling EXP that allows low level Pokemon to catch up but makes it hard to overgrind is fine in my opinion.
I don't mind if all your Pokemon get EXP but if the Pokemon don't give out a bunch of EXP in the first place, then it's fine if it'll help keep your team balanced but you can't easily outlevel the competition.
Probably doing a scaling EXP that allows low level Pokemon to catch up but makes it hard to overgrind is fine in my opinion.
I'd be wary of reviews as far as these aspects of the games are concerned. These issues are the kind of thing that only becomes obvious like a week or two after launch, as more players reach the end game and a consensus forms. Mainstream reviews just won't take stuff like balance into account, they'll slap an 8-9 to the thing and call it a day.
Doesn't necessarily have to be reviews from mainstream outlets, could be from more specialist outlets/individuals/impressions on forums etc. - it may require a bit of wait and see but what I'm saying is that maybe it's worth holding off on the cast iron idea that the game will now be way too easy
Serious question: why has GameFreak earned the benefit of the doubt?
Fair enough, although I feel the need to say this change doesn't just impact difficulty, but role-playing, breeding, and the direct connection of raising a specific Pokémon as well. Even if the difficulty balance of the single-player is the best it has ever been, the systems in place are needlessly rigid compared to what came before, which might still be detrimental to the whole experience for some.
I wish more posters were more honest like this one here and simply said "Fuck you, got mine" if that's how they really feel, it'd make it very clear they don't really plan to discuss shit.
If its just one option now for how its handled, wouldnt that be better for balancing the overall pokemon experience?
Nothing is stopping them from balancing around this while still giving you the option to turn it off.
Oh my god I'm crying there goes my pre order and me losing €10 in store I put down
I like to train my Pokémon individually
Don't buy this game if this is a dealbreaker. I'm serious. It doesn't matter how little of an impact it makes, don't send the message that this is acceptable. I've played these games for 21 years, bought all the versions and sunk hundreds upon hundreds of hours into them. I'm not going to buy out of blind loyalty anymore.
Or at least wait until the game is out and we see how they handle this, but obviously my hopes are rock fucking bottom.
Or at least wait until the game is out and we see how they handle this, but obviously my hopes are rock fucking bottom.
I canceled my pre-order months ago. Pretty much just going to wait and see since as of right now from what I've seen, I can't see myself spending $65.31 on this game. Maybe used in a few months.
That's the boat I'm in. This *could* be executed well if there's other things in the game to compliment it, but with GF's history I'm not willing to gamble $60 like that.
My faith isn't super high and maybe it makes sense to see it as a foregone conclusion. It was a while ago but they did balance BW2 pretty well in a standard playthrough (even if hard mode was gimped due to the ridiculous effort it took to unlock), so I feel they know how to do it. Will they, I don't know - I just think absolute statements from a few people here like 'this will be the most super easy game ever' and others of that ilk are still a bit too premature.
I feel like the poll is too binary. Do I think there should be a choice? Sure I guess. Does the decision personally bother me? No not really... Turning it off was always a bandaid fix to another problem, a bandaid fix that I've never liked. Like back when pokemon games didn't have the exp share function, all it meant was I just didn't experiment with as many pokemon because it was tedious as hell having to swap a lower level pokemon in and then swap them out to my actual pokemon just to level them up. I mean you can grind them on wild pokemon too but they always gave kind of meh exp in comparison to trainers. Either way it just means you have to inevitably spend more time to be able to mix up your team. The real problem at hand is the fact the games are too easy, and I'd much rather that be solved by the game being more challenging in the first place or failing that difficulty options besides the exp share toggle which just adds tedium.
This really just has to do with regular/first playthroughs but, those of us that don't like to have pokemon that are over-leveled while progressing just have to bite the bullet and accept it?
Say I catch a new pokemon I want to use that's level 15, and the rest of my team is level 30. I don't want the rest of my team to become over-leveled just because I'm leveling a new pokemon. Lower leveled pokemon do get more experience but what if I do this with 2-3 (or more) new pokemon? Boxing the rest of my team is such a tedious "fix" to that. Just let me toggle the damn exp-share off.
The exp-share being baked in is totally fine (it pretty much was anyway since it was obtained early and turned on by default) but the lack of a toggle is a HUGE misstep. I really hope a toggle is included or gets added in because wew lad that's no bueno.
Say I catch a new pokemon I want to use that's level 15, and the rest of my team is level 30. I don't want the rest of my team to become over-leveled just because I'm leveling a new pokemon. Lower leveled pokemon do get more experience but what if I do this with 2-3 (or more) new pokemon? Boxing the rest of my team is such a tedious "fix" to that. Just let me toggle the damn exp-share off.
The exp-share being baked in is totally fine (it pretty much was anyway since it was obtained early and turned on by default) but the lack of a toggle is a HUGE misstep. I really hope a toggle is included or gets added in because wew lad that's no bueno.
Bw2 also had a director that hasn't been part of the series since then, and it's showed.
I mean there's not really any discussion to be had. If you don't care then you don't care. If you do care it's just going to be a series of posts detailing why you care and hate this decision. There's not really any productive discussion to be had here at all, as I doubt many are going to be convinced to care and vice versa. Nobody in this thread can really do anything about it so it's really just going to be a series of opinions more so than any real discussion, beyond why this is a bad thing.
And tbh it's perfectly fine to say 'fuck you got mine'. It's a video game not a humanitarian crisis. Would it be cool if everyone got to enjoy the game the same? Yeah that would be awesome but at the same time I'm not gonna lose any sleep over people not enjoying the game.
Those who are criticizing have every right to do so, and those who think this is a good thing have every right to that opinion too. There's really not a significant 'right' or 'wrong' here.
That was the point. There are people here trying to argue that this is good. It's not good in any justifiable way. Just say you don't care instead of bs'ing.
You're acting as if the wording itself isn't enough of an implication when it clearly is ("automatic").
Also there is a great post here that points to the option being taken away.
Did this needed to be changed? Why not just let people toggle Exp.Share on/off? What beef did they have to remove this choice? Especially when it was already active by default?
Definitely the latter seeing their decisions in recent times.
Only reason id see is to do balancing around exp share if they weren't already doing it. But I'm not so in depth into interviews with them to know if they previously balanced the last few games with exp share in mind because without really grinding id have an overpowered team by the end.
Gosh, it's not that hard to make a feature optional, isn't it, Game Freak? There's absolutely no reason for this to be baked-in. I mean, if the learning curve is too steep, then have us at least choose to turn Exp. Share on and face the challenge as we see fit... nothing justifies forcing it onto everybody.
I hope the game is nothing like X/Y, it felt like a cakewalk without Exp. Share already. I was happy GF seemed to have learned from its mistakes after SM provided somewhat of a challenge but I guess we're back to square one. I don't suppose a fix can be patched in down the line, right?
I hope the game is nothing like X/Y, it felt like a cakewalk without Exp. Share already. I was happy GF seemed to have learned from its mistakes after SM provided somewhat of a challenge but I guess we're back to square one. I don't suppose a fix can be patched in down the line, right?
I like switching my Pokémon in and out and training my team separately it gives each one it's time to shine
we need a concrete answer if it can be turned off.
gamefreak why did you do this to me :(
we need a concrete answer if it can be turned off.
gamefreak why did you do this to me :(
Can it? Sure. Will gamefreak do it? Absolutely not. They could have fixed all the issues with gen 6 and 7 already since the 3DS supports that but just shrugged
I was hoping they could feel inspired enough to modify their MO and change their ways now that Pokémon is releasing on a new system but yeah, they'll probably do nothing to update the game as far as taking player feedback goes.
Hmm, I not convinced as;
- Game Informer asked if the exp share, referring to the item, can be turned off.
- Game Freak responded that the item itself does not exist in the game, which GameInformer followed up with a different question if the player has to train the Pokémon one by one.
-Game Freak then followed up saying that they replaced the exp share with a new system, they however did not confirm if that new system can be turned off or not.
As someone who isn't a fan of being unable to turn off the exp share, I am not going to panic over something that hasn't been confirmed. And even if it does, it's not really the end of the world.
I mean it wasn't that long ago when people were freaking out over the fact that an auto save feature was in the game with worries that it can't be turned off and then it turned out that those fear were all for naught.
I still believe that we will be able to turn it off in the system setting, rather than having to go into the bag and turn it off.
Given that they never patched Let's Go to provide a control option that wasn't ablest, it's unlikely.
It can be bad thing for some cases. If you wants to focus evolve/train 1-2 Pokemon, it will take longer.