You don't have to do anything. Just don't dismiss fair criticisms.
It's human nature, that's all. And we're all human, so this problem is everyone's problem, not just a problem of some subcultures.
I agree but I believe that the focus on gaming is not helping anyone identify the correct underlying cause. All the issues being discussed regarding toxicity in gaming do not originate from gaming or gamer culture. They are deeply rooted issues with society and self respect, gaming is merely another outlet just like social media bullying and harassment or sports violence and other similar phenomena.
This is nowhere close to being equivalent to criticizing gaming culture. Gaming isn't a thousand year old religion that has shaped societies and built traditions. It's a hobby people often take way too damn seriously at times.
jesus christ i just vomited all over my screenYou don’t believe there is a stonger undercurrent of super toxic persecution complex in hardcore gamers? Have you ever read the Internet my good sir?
Gamers feel they need to justify and defend their prefered medium, and become wrapped up in a trying to defend sexist ad campaigns because people are attacking them- I mean their past time.
Problem is that it isn't a few bad apples , like a field of trees just producing these bad apples with few good ones (same analogy applies to cops in the USA )
Why though? What I'm saying is you have to deal with this everywhere, in every aspect of your life, not just gaming.
if a group you identified with got called out, wouldn't you be more inclined to be like "HEY STOP DOING THAT, FUCKSHIT"?
Do you play games on a dedicated platform? Do you play more types of games than the yearly Madden or COD?
If a significant portion of that group was making an ass of themselves? Nah.
This really shouldn't be a question outside of those with antisocial tendencies. As a member of a community you should wish for that community to flourish, and grow, and become great.
This is so strange! People are dealing with it in gaming, and you are saying "no -- don't deal with it in gaming, deal with it everywhere." But gaming is part of everywhere. Dealing with it everywhere would inherently mean addressing it within gaming.
I consume as many videogames as I do movies, tv shows, music, books, and other forms of media. There's no reason I should identify myself as someone that enjoys one more than the other.
Eh I don’t know.
If getting banned from a forum is so scarring that it makes change your opinions in such a drastic way, just maybe the problem isn’t with the community you got banned from
The OP says about half a dozen times that isn’t what they are getting at.
Like, I'm sure that I only feel this way because I'm on the spectrum, but the autism shit pisses me off something fierce. It's really not funny, and I see otherwise progressive people use terms like "sperg" and "tism", and it's really disappointing.
if someone called me a gamer to my face, i'd probably slap their shit
But that is THEIR point. It's their way of shifting the conversation from topics they can't openly defend to some other disingenuous bullshit. And repeat until conversation becomes impossible.
We should already be looking for solutions. It's pointless to wait until the "collective" acknowledges there's a problem. That will never happen and if everyone involved just spends their time blowing hot air at each other trying to argue the point, there will never be progress because we've predicated actually doing anything on some vague expectation that at some point we'll reach a consensus first.
yes but gaming fandom is especially terrible, and this is shit we need to deal with
No, this 'theory' was proven inaccurate by the very people who wrote and drew the comic. There is no 'Normal Person' in this equation, it's just an asshole with an audience. Look at Facebook or Twitter for example, loads of awful, awful people empowered by a big following, using their real names and faces and everything, spending their professional lives making other people (typically minority members in orbit of 'their' territorial claims on gamer culture) as miserable as possible.
Still applicable today. But I'd change it a bit:
Fan driven hobby + tools that enable instant global communication + anonymity = X probability of someone being an asshole
I am lucky enough to have coworkers that will get the joke ;)
Really? because you REAAAAAAALLY didn't want to talk about the corporate culture that cultivates that shit the other day.
I already have been. Twice. Once, I was banned for "sexism argumentation" for quoting Amy Henning and saying that my experience in the game industry suggested that the game industry is not as sexist as is being reported, and once for racism for saying that someone had the legal right to use the "n-word".
Is it really applicable? The past several years has made it perfectly clearly that people are more than happy being fuckwads without anonymity hiding them.
Still applicable today. But I'd change it a bit:
Fan driven hobby + tools that enable instant global communication + anonymity = X probability of someone being an asshole
There is a much higher barrier of entry for dedicated gaming than music, movies, and books. If you are playing on a Switch that's $300 minimum plus the price of each game which is an average of $60.
This is all very true.
Oh, no! Whataboutism! For real, though -- I spent hours talking about it with you despite you arguing in bad faith the entire time.
That sounds like a very healthy response.
You mean the time you got banned for cus you just ended up insulting a lot of people? Do you really want to go there again?
