Gaspar Noé explains his hatred for ‘Black Panther’: ‘I had to escape the cinema after 20 minutes’

deathsaber

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Wow, that guy is so edgy and hip. So glad we have people like Gaspar Noe to tell us what is cool and worth watching.
 
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No I refuse to believe him accidentally calling Hip-hop R&B is anything other than a sign of racism.

That was his secret signal.
Too Short's "In the Trunk" being used as diegetic sound in an appropriate setting of 1992 Oakland making a person need to escape the theater does sound like some racist shit, yeah

you tried to spin it but landed pointing the exact same direction
 
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I know it’s all subjective but this seems childish. Yeah you had to escape before the movie basically started because of R&B music. Fuck outta here.
 

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I can see him mistaking Pray for Me to be an R&B song, especially since The Weeknd is the main artist performing in it. Dumb comment regardless though. Like why you absolutely hate the presence of “R&B” music in a movie?
 
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I like how many people are just assuming this dude is racist, for whatever reason, because he doesn't like R&B, hahahahaha.

So stupid.
 

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I don't really like action super hero movies, so I knew I wouldn't like Black Panther so ... I didn't watch it ... and don't talk about not liking it ... because I know it's not my jam. But, I'm glad that other people who do like action movies liked it, I'm glad we can all like different things.
 

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I will hand you that Iron Man 2 vs Black Panther is a really close call, and BP may actually be the better movie out of those two. I like all the other movies that you list significantly more than Black Panther.

Black Panther has fantastic special effects (like every other MCU movie) and Michael B Jordan is a charismatic villain, but it lacks many of the qualities that I expect from a MCU movie. Chadwick Boseman doesn't have the charisma and presence needed to be a conventional lead actor in a superhero movie, and not enough charm or comedic chops to be an atypical one either. The concept of Wakanda, vibranium high technology and the Black Panther superhero may be appealing from a political standpoint, but there are no interesting ideas about super powers, superhero matchups or the interaction between superheroes and the normal world in the movie. The comedic banter between characters was weak or nonexistent, although that kind of made sense because of the uninteresting gallery of characters (except the intentionally non-funny villain). In short, Kevin Feige didn't show up, or showed deference to the director, which resulted in a dud movie without the usual MCU qualities.
Fair enough. I actually disagree about one of the few things you praised (the special effects) but at least I can understand your reasoning for the rest even though it seems crazy to me (at least in comparison to the rest of the MCU). The only part where I would side with you is Chadwick Boseman. I thought he was much more charismatic in Civil War than in his own film for some reason.
 

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It's funny he mentioned the music, but I had the opposite reaction—the R&B stuff, while not necessarily my jam, was the only time I felt the music worked. When it switched to orchestral music it usually sounded weirdly mixed and felt like it was for an Avengers or Captain America film, not Black Panther.
Ha, same. When Kenny was throwing down beats during the lower-key scenes it was brilliant.
 

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He gave a reason, it was non-sense; even if you want to claim he meant hip-hop, there's not a lot of it in the actual film's score.
He compared it to Star Wars. So seems pretty likely he thinks all big budget movies are a bunch of dumb bullshit. And he didn't care for the music so it was extra incentive for him to leave. If you wanna read way too far into it that's on you.
 

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He sounds like he's pretty out of touch with mainstream culture apart from films.

I don't think mislabeling a genre he obviously doesn't care for can be considered racism without any other evidence.
 
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He compared it to Star Wars. So seems pretty likely he thinks all big budget movies are a bunch of dumb bullshit. And he didn't care for the music so it was extra incentive for him to leave. If you wanna read way too far into it that's on you.
Had he only compared it to Star Wars and not made the stupid R&B comment, I probably wouldn't have replied to the thread at all. I didn't even know about this fuck or his films so he definitely got pub with his edgy comments

But he did make the barely crouched racial comment and people who don't defend that kind of thing are going to call it what it is.
 

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I hate Irreversible. I loved Enter the Void. But that interview sounded like a first year cinema edgelord.
 
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As would I.

It's funny he mentioned the music, but I had the opposite reaction—the R&B stuff, while not necessarily my jam, was the only time I felt the music worked. When it switched to orchestral music it usually sounded weirdly mixed and felt like it was for an Avengers or Captain America film, not Black Panther.


I don't know about that, even the orchestral stuff had a distinct African sound to it. You wouldn't get drums and vocals like this in something like Captain America.

I'm still trying to figure out what R&B music was in the movie.
 

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Fair enough. I actually disagree about one of the few things you praised (the special effects) but at least I can understand your reasoning for the rest even though it seems crazy to me (at least in comparison to the rest of the MCU). The only part where I would side with you is Chadwick Boseman. I thought he was much more charismatic in Civil War than in his own film for some reason.
It’s the Keaton effect. People criticised Keaton in Batman and Batman Returns for being a mostly stoic lead while everyone else was crazy over the top. But that was the point. Keaton played Batman as a repressed guy who didn’t want to let that side out. Boseman is charismatic in Civil War because he’s got minimal screen time to sell the character. He’s more relaxed and reserved in Black Panther because he has to anchor the film. Dude shares the screen with his co stars brilliantly, because he lets them shine knowing that he’ll look better if everyone on screen is delivering.
 

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That's always what it is. Racism is something that people can agree exists as a concept yet whenever an example is brought up, someone is always telling us we're reading into it too much and looking for racism that doesn't exist.
its like the quantum reality, from the outside you can see cohesive structures forming, so you know something is happening down there, but if you ever try to peer in to get a closer look at any one instance its always "not me boss, go look over there", so then you go over there and that instance tells you the same thing, as will every instance

you can see the effects, you hold out your hand and walk towards the mass to try and grab it, and by the time you get close enough to touch it it has become so thin as to dance between and around your fingers
 
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Enter the Void was half decent.

I don't what the fuck Love was about tho. I watched it on xvideos.
 

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Yep, yep and yep.

He should do more interviews!
 

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I have zero patience for someone's opinion about a movie they didn't even bother to watch. Movies are only 2 hours. If I really hate a movie I'll stick it out just so that I can shit all over it from a place of authority.
 

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It’s the Keaton effect. People criticised Keaton in Batman and Batman Returns for being a mostly stoic lead while everyone else was crazy over the top. But that was the point. Keaton played Batman as a repressed guy who didn’t want to let that side out. Boseman is charismatic in Civil War because he’s got minimal screen time to sell the character. He’s more relaxed and reserved in Black Panther because he has to anchor the film. Dude shares the screen with his co stars brilliantly, because he lets them shine knowing that he’ll look better if everyone on screen is delivering.
Yeah, good point and good comparison.
But Keaton still had that crazy and almost sadistic look once in a while that would let you know that there was a little bit more going on with his Bruce Wayne.

It's great that the entire cast was so good in BP but I do hope that Coogler will recenter the sequel around T'Challa a bit more and give him a little bit more space.

Or Marvel should just go ahead and make a World of Wakanda movie or give Shuri the Black Panther mantle, I'd be fine with that too.
 
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I have zero patience for someone's opinion about a movie they didn't even bother to watch. Movies are only 2 hours. If I really hate a movie I'll stick it out just so that I can shit all over it from a place of authority.
I like how if we take his comments at face value, we’re reading into them but no one should question his uninformed opinions according to the edgelord defense force
 

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Imagine calling the dude that cast this movie as racist and implying he's some type of bigot.

 

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Or you know, you could be reading way too into something for racism that isn't there.
I'm trying to be real nice as I post this, since your post is essentially discrediting the experience of minorities (specifically black folk) when we inform others of possible racism occurring. So, I'm going to just assume you're really ignorant and don't understand certain coded language people will use to get across a racist viewpoint or perpetuate stereotypes. But, the idea that all music produced by or featuring black people is "R&B and/or Hip-Hop" IS a racist stereotype. It exists. It's a constant thing racists will say to shut down black musical expression. "I don't listen to..." or "shut off that R&B/Hip-Hop stuff," meanwhile Chuck Berry is playing.

So, when someone says they literally walked out of the theater because they couldn't take the R&B music when there is literally NO R&B music present in the film at that point, well we have to question what the fuck they are talking about and why they said it. Do you think he would've said the same thing about the music had it been an Iron-Man or Thor movie? If not, then why do you think that is?
 
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I did. And it looks like you got a warning. Disliking something, and people's tastes, aren't racism. If there's a nefarious bent to it, sure, but in this instance, without more, it's not.
If you dislike something for racist reasons, it’s racist

The reason he gave was nonsensical and clearly racial

I’m taking his comments at face value. You’re a fan defending his racially coached uninformed remark and hiding behind “opinions”

Like, he doesn’t even know what he’s talking about because he didn’t watch the film.

You don’t have to defend every idiotic racial comment or tell the people they refer to that it isn’t what it clearly is
 

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If you dislike something for racist reasons, it’s racist

The reason he gave was nonsensical and clearly racial

I’m taking his comments at face value. You’re a fan defending his racially coached uninformed remark and hiding behind “opinions”

Like, he doesn’t even know what he’s talking about because he didn’t watch the film.

You don’t have to defend every idiotic racial comment or tell the people they refer to that it isn’t what it clearly is
Or you know he just doesn't like the music. News flash not every thing has to be liked

Anyways, why would a bigot cast a movie with PoC and transgender people?