Wow, that guy is so edgy and hip. So glad we have people like Gaspar Noe to tell us what is cool and worth watching.
He was asked a question and he answered, is he holding a gun to your head telling you what to watch?Wow, that guy is so edgy and hip. So glad we have people like Gaspar Noe to tell us what is cool and worth watching.
Too Short's "In the Trunk" being used as diegetic sound in an appropriate setting of 1992 Oakland making a person need to escape the theater does sound like some racist shit, yeahNo I refuse to believe him accidentally calling Hip-hop R&B is anything other than a sign of racism.
That was his secret signal.
Not liking songs or a movie doesn't make someone racist.Too Short's "In the Trunk" being used as diegetic sound in an appropriate setting of 1992 Oakland making a person need to escape the theater does sound like some racist shit, yeah
you tried to spin it but landed pointing the exact same direction
depending on your reasons, of course it does. What a ridiculous statement
Almost as ridiculous as calling someone racist without knowing the reasons they dislike it?depending on your reasons, of course it does. What a ridiculous statement
There was no R&B in the first 20 minutes of the movie. It’s racist because what on earth is he even talking about? Who says that?I like how many people are just assuming this dude is racist, for whatever reason, because he doesn't like R&B, hahahahaha.
So stupid.
Fair enough. I actually disagree about one of the few things you praised (the special effects) but at least I can understand your reasoning for the rest even though it seems crazy to me (at least in comparison to the rest of the MCU). The only part where I would side with you is Chadwick Boseman. I thought he was much more charismatic in Civil War than in his own film for some reason.I will hand you that Iron Man 2 vs Black Panther is a really close call, and BP may actually be the better movie out of those two. I like all the other movies that you list significantly more than Black Panther.
Black Panther has fantastic special effects (like every other MCU movie) and Michael B Jordan is a charismatic villain, but it lacks many of the qualities that I expect from a MCU movie. Chadwick Boseman doesn't have the charisma and presence needed to be a conventional lead actor in a superhero movie, and not enough charm or comedic chops to be an atypical one either. The concept of Wakanda, vibranium high technology and the Black Panther superhero may be appealing from a political standpoint, but there are no interesting ideas about super powers, superhero matchups or the interaction between superheroes and the normal world in the movie. The comedic banter between characters was weak or nonexistent, although that kind of made sense because of the uninteresting gallery of characters (except the intentionally non-funny villain). In short, Kevin Feige didn't show up, or showed deference to the director, which resulted in a dud movie without the usual MCU qualities.
He gave a reason, it was non-sense; even if you want to claim he meant hip-hop, there's not a lot of it in the actual film's score.Almost as ridiculous as calling someone racist without knowing the reasons they dislike it?
Maybe dude doesn't know what R&B is and mistook another song for it? Who fucking cares?There was no R&B in the first 20 minutes of the movie. It’s racist because what on earth is he even talking about? Who says that?
Ha, same. When Kenny was throwing down beats during the lower-key scenes it was brilliant.It's funny he mentioned the music, but I had the opposite reaction—the R&B stuff, while not necessarily my jam, was the only time I felt the music worked. When it switched to orchestral music it usually sounded weirdly mixed and felt like it was for an Avengers or Captain America film, not Black Panther.
He compared it to Star Wars. So seems pretty likely he thinks all big budget movies are a bunch of dumb bullshit. And he didn't care for the music so it was extra incentive for him to leave. If you wanna read way too far into it that's on you.He gave a reason, it was non-sense; even if you want to claim he meant hip-hop, there's not a lot of it in the actual film's score.
Because there are people in this thread caping for him, even though that R&B statement is tone deaf. Also, there aren’t even very many songs at the start of the movie...I honestly can’t name any. And I know for damn sure they aren’t R&B.Maybe dude doesn't know what R&B is and mistook another song for it? Who fucking cares?
Or you know, you could be reading way too into something for racism that isn't there.Because there are people in this thread caping for him, even though that R&B statement is tone deaf. Also, there aren’t even very many songs at the start of the movie...I honestly can’t name any. And I know for damn sure they aren’t R&B.
Nah, that's impossibleOr you know, you could be reading way too into something for racism that isn't there.
Had he only compared it to Star Wars and not made the stupid R&B comment, I probably wouldn't have replied to the thread at all. I didn't even know about this fuck or his films so he definitely got pub with his edgy commentsHe compared it to Star Wars. So seems pretty likely he thinks all big budget movies are a bunch of dumb bullshit. And he didn't care for the music so it was extra incentive for him to leave. If you wanna read way too far into it that's on you.
Which describes his and Lars Von Trier's fandoms to a t.I hate Irreversible. I loved Enter the Void. But that interview sounded like a first year cinema edgelord.
I don't like either of them that much. Too many strobe lights assaulting my eyes.I hate Irreversible. I loved Enter the Void. But that interview sounded like a first year cinema edgelord.
How can I be reading into something that isn’t there when there is no R&B music 20 minutes into the film? Who are you to tell me when something is or isn’t racist?Or you know, you could be reading way too into something for racism that isn't there.
I was presented a thread on the subject and the opportunity to respond to it. The guy is expressing himself and I'm doing likewise. (shrugs)He was asked a question and he answered, is he holding a gun to your head telling you what to watch?
As would I.
It's funny he mentioned the music, but I had the opposite reaction—the R&B stuff, while not necessarily my jam, was the only time I felt the music worked. When it switched to orchestral music it usually sounded weirdly mixed and felt like it was for an Avengers or Captain America film, not Black Panther.
Black people = R&B apparently
I don't know about that, even the orchestral stuff had a distinct African sound to it. You wouldn't get drums and vocals like this in something like Captain America.
I'm still trying to figure out what R&B music was in the movie.[/QUOTE]
That's always what it is. Racism is something that people can agree exists as a concept yet whenever an example is brought up, someone is always telling us we're reading into it too much and looking for racism that doesn't exist.Or you know, you could be reading way too into something for racism that isn't there.
It’s the Keaton effect. People criticised Keaton in Batman and Batman Returns for being a mostly stoic lead while everyone else was crazy over the top. But that was the point. Keaton played Batman as a repressed guy who didn’t want to let that side out. Boseman is charismatic in Civil War because he’s got minimal screen time to sell the character. He’s more relaxed and reserved in Black Panther because he has to anchor the film. Dude shares the screen with his co stars brilliantly, because he lets them shine knowing that he’ll look better if everyone on screen is delivering.Fair enough. I actually disagree about one of the few things you praised (the special effects) but at least I can understand your reasoning for the rest even though it seems crazy to me (at least in comparison to the rest of the MCU). The only part where I would side with you is Chadwick Boseman. I thought he was much more charismatic in Civil War than in his own film for some reason.
its like the quantum reality, from the outside you can see cohesive structures forming, so you know something is happening down there, but if you ever try to peer in to get a closer look at any one instance its always "not me boss, go look over there", so then you go over there and that instance tells you the same thing, as will every instanceThat's always what it is. Racism is something that people can agree exists as a concept yet whenever an example is brought up, someone is always telling us we're reading into it too much and looking for racism that doesn't exist.
Yeah, good point and good comparison.It’s the Keaton effect. People criticised Keaton in Batman and Batman Returns for being a mostly stoic lead while everyone else was crazy over the top. But that was the point. Keaton played Batman as a repressed guy who didn’t want to let that side out. Boseman is charismatic in Civil War because he’s got minimal screen time to sell the character. He’s more relaxed and reserved in Black Panther because he has to anchor the film. Dude shares the screen with his co stars brilliantly, because he lets them shine knowing that he’ll look better if everyone on screen is delivering.
I like how if we take his comments at face value, we’re reading into them but no one should question his uninformed opinions according to the edgelord defense forceI have zero patience for someone's opinion about a movie they didn't even bother to watch. Movies are only 2 hours. If I really hate a movie I'll stick it out just so that I can shit all over it from a place of authority.
depending on your reasons, of course it does. What a ridiculous statement
Have you seen other interviews or at the very least, his movies? Or extrapolating the quote was enough for you to label the guy?I like how if we take his comments at face value, we’re reading into them but no one should question his uninformed opinions according to the edgelord defense force
You can read through my posts in this threadHave you seen other interviews or at the very least, his movies? Or extrapolating the quote was enough for you to label the guy?
I did. And it looks like you got a warning. Disliking something, and people's tastes, aren't racism. If there's a nefarious bent to it, sure, but in this instance, without more, it's not.
Godard is a fuckboy too. Making great art doesn’t excuse it.Now imagine what Jean-Luc Godard would have said about Black Panther and Star Wars
I'm trying to be real nice as I post this, since your post is essentially discrediting the experience of minorities (specifically black folk) when we inform others of possible racism occurring. So, I'm going to just assume you're really ignorant and don't understand certain coded language people will use to get across a racist viewpoint or perpetuate stereotypes. But, the idea that all music produced by or featuring black people is "R&B and/or Hip-Hop" IS a racist stereotype. It exists. It's a constant thing racists will say to shut down black musical expression. "I don't listen to..." or "shut off that R&B/Hip-Hop stuff," meanwhile Chuck Berry is playing.Or you know, you could be reading way too into something for racism that isn't there.
If you dislike something for racist reasons, it’s racistI did. And it looks like you got a warning. Disliking something, and people's tastes, aren't racism. If there's a nefarious bent to it, sure, but in this instance, without more, it's not.
Proof that Noe sucks.
Or you know he just doesn't like the music. News flash not every thing has to be likedIf you dislike something for racist reasons, it’s racist
The reason he gave was nonsensical and clearly racial
I’m taking his comments at face value. You’re a fan defending his racially coached uninformed remark and hiding behind “opinions”
Like, he doesn’t even know what he’s talking about because he didn’t watch the film.
You don’t have to defend every idiotic racial comment or tell the people they refer to that it isn’t what it clearly is
So because there are black and brown people in the movie, therefore he is not racist? How do you make that logic?Imagine calling the dude that cast this movie as racist and implying he's some type of bigot.