Gears 5 confirmed for Steam release

Dinjoralo · May 30, 2019

I don't really care about Gears of War, but Microsoft putting a new-ass game in one of their evergreen franchises on Steam is kind of a bombshell.

eonden said:
MS games are on Steam because all of this is to mend all the bridges they have broken for more than a decade now.
They want to show the PC gamers that MS also cares about them and that they should subscribe to their gaming services. They wouldnt recover their damaged brand value with partnering with EGS but they would by partnering with Steam.

It is that simple.

Basically, yeah. They want the PC crowd to look on them positively for probably the first time in a decade because they have a bunch of stuff they're bringing in the coming years, but this is still good news.

Zojirushi · May 30, 2019

This is good news. I tolerated the MS store for Gears 4 and was kinda already preparing to go through that shit again.

fluffydelusions · May 30, 2019

I guess MS really is serious about pc gaming this time. Great news!

lucebuce · May 30, 2019

Theorry said:
Imagine Halo Infinite on Steam day one. Gamepass day one on PC, Gamepass day one on Xbox.
Players numbers are gonna be big.

Jaded Alyx · May 30, 2019

astro said:
But Macs are PCs too...

That's debatable. Depends on which term you mean.

Theorry · May 30, 2019

fluffydelusions said:
I guess MS really is serious about pc gaming this time. Great news!

I think the writing was always on the wall tho. But i understand alot of people being skeptical about it.
But if you follow Spencer and what he said and what his vision is its all coming out. Also Xbox took over PC gaming from the windows team last year and can now more do what they want as a gaming team.
Expect a MS store change regarding gaming also soon.

ElBoxy · May 30, 2019

SolidSnakeUS said:
More games to go to Steam and not to W10 Store the better. Seriously, fuck the W10 Store.

It's still coming out on that store. That's just more money for MS.

SolidSnakeUS · May 30, 2019

ElBoxyBrown said:
It's still coming out on that store. That's just more money for MS.

Sorry, mistyped that. Yes it's coming out to the store, just happy that with Steam we don't have to do that store anymore.

¡ B 0 0 P ! · May 30, 2019

This is good news. Microsoft is eager to rebrand their previously poor image among PC gamers. Releasing their games on Steam is a great way to do that.

Theorry · May 30, 2019

SolidSnakeUS said:
Sorry, mistyped that. Yes it's coming out to the store, just happy that with Steam we don't have to do that store anymore.

Its gonna get a big overhaul tho. Probably hear about that soon. Wont be like Steam offcourse. But if you want to play the upcoming games with Gamepass that store isnt bad also,

astro · May 30, 2019

Jaded Alyx said:
That's debatable. Depends on which term you mean.

It's not really, they're personal computers. PC is not an exclusive term for windows machines, no matter how some seem to think it is.

Alexandros · May 30, 2019

I will buy almost everything Microsoft puts on Steam, including MCC, Forza and Gears. Microsoft is making a lot of pro-customer moves and I will make sure to reward them for it.

Hogendaz85 · May 30, 2019

No reason for it not to sell well now when compared to 4.

MXT · May 30, 2019

Durante said:
Actually, the fact that decades of Win32 tooling don't work with UWP apps is absolutely Microsoft's fault.

This is simply not true - Microsoft is a platform holder, they get to introduce new things. Adding support for launching UWP apps to Steam is beyond trivial.

Datajoy · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
Cowardly move from Microsoft. This is not how you retake control of your platform.

lol

Jaded Alyx · May 30, 2019

astro said:
It's not really, they're personal computers. PC is not an exclusive term for windows machines, no matter how some seem to think it is.

It stemmed from "IBM personal computers" way back and is still used like that today, though of course "personal computer" can mean anything.
That's why we had that whole Mac vs PC campaign from Apple.

Durante · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
This is simply not true - Microsoft is a platform holder, they get to introduce new things.

Yeah, and everyone else who makes software gets to decide whether they want to help them push their failed cellphone platform on PC.
Given the trajectory of UWP, it seems like most of us have decided.

TubaZef · May 30, 2019

Hope they'll also bring Gears 4, Forza and Sea of Thieves.

Deleted member 35598 · May 30, 2019

That was unexpected, wow !

MXT · May 30, 2019

Durante said:
Yeah, and everyone else who makes software gets to decide whether they want to help them push their failed cellphone platform on PC.
Given the trajectory of UWP, it seems like most of us have decided.

Seeing as you have conceded that your post from earlier is wrong, I think we are done here.

Theorry · May 30, 2019

One thing tho the title is wrong. Its Gears 5. Get used to it. :D

Durante · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
Seeing as you have conceded that your post from earlier is wrong, I think we are done here.

Not at all. I just agreed with you that Microsoft can introduce new things.
But making those things break compatibility was their choice, no one is required to support them.
(And apparently it was the wrong choice, given the state of UWP)

Poison Jam · May 30, 2019

Madjoki said:
Yeah that's definite no. MS will want to keep Xbox gamers at their store.

MXT said:
Cross buy is complicated when you are giving a chunk of the sale away to a third party, but it could be done if Microsoft were willing to do license assignment to the first-used Xbox LIve account with that specific game. Without Valve adding new functionality to Steam, that is the best they can do. I doubt they will do so, they have not done so thus far.

True save sync is coming to the Win32 Xbox Live feature set, but it's not here today. It may arrive in time for it not to be missing from upcoming Steam MGS releases.

SuikerBrood said:
That will probably remain a Microsoft Store feature.

Error 52 said:
I would actually wager that it would have cross-save, since it connects to your live account.

Cross-buy, though, probably not.

Thanks for the reply folks! Yeah, I would assume not, but I could see them work something out. I assume multiplayer games would like to have one integrated playerbase, so perhaps you'd need to log into your Xbox/Microsoft account when playing. Which shouldn't be too difficult considering it's on Windows.

Edit: I meant in regards to cross-save. Cross-buy seems more challenging.

astro · May 30, 2019

Jaded Alyx said:
It stemmed from "IBM personal computers" way back and is still used like that today, though of course "personal computer" can mean anything.
That's why we had that whole Mac vs PC campaign from Apple.

Right, it's all marketing spin obscuring the truth. Apple attempting to make their PCs seem like some greater, separate product. People tend to fall for that more often than not.

Deleted member 10629 · May 30, 2019

Jaded Alyx said:
It stemmed from "IBM personal computers" way back and is still used like that today, though of course "personal computer" can mean anything.
That's why we had that whole Mac vs PC campaign from Apple.

Macs are PCs that run MacOS. Everything else is marketing fluff.

MXT · May 30, 2019

Durante said:
Not at all. I just agreed with you that Microsoft can introduce new things.
But making those things break compatibility was their choice, no one is required to support them.
(And apparently it was the wrong choice, given the state of UWP)

I think you are sufficiently technical to understand how insanely hacky a workaround to launch UWP applications through third party launchers without any modifications to those launchers would be, so you just want to have a discussion over the merits of the differences between Win32 apps and UWP apps, which I am not interested in having.

There was no real choice. The work for Valve is near zero, the work for MS would be immense.

GUNDAM STARDUST · May 30, 2019

astro said:
It's not really, they're personal computers. PC is not an exclusive term for windows machines, no matter how some seem to think it is.

It seemed that way to Apple when they ran those Mac vs. PC ads.

astro · May 30, 2019

GUNDAM STARDUST said:
It seemed that way to Apple when they ran those Mac vs. PC ads.

As above: marketing fluff to position them selves as unique, separate, and superior.

Macs are PCs, no matter how Apple spins it.

Deleted member 10629 · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
I think you are sufficiently technical to understand how insanely hacky a workaround to launch UWP applications through third party launchers without any modifications to those launchers would be, so you just want to have a discussion over the merits of the differences between Win32 apps and UWP apps, which I am not interested in having.

Of course, it wouldnt fit your dumb narrative you've had on this thread. UWP was a mistake on Microsoft's part, that's why it has almost 0 support from other companies.

MXT · May 30, 2019

Poison Jam said:
Thanks for the reply folks! Yeah, I would assume not, but I could see them work something out. I assume multiplayer games would like to have one integrated playerbase, so perhaps you'd need to log into your Xbox/Microsoft account when playing. Which shouldn't be too difficult considering it's on Windows.

Edit: I meant in regards to cross-save. Cross-buy seems more challenging.

Cross save is coming to Win32 Xbox Live.

Rndom Grenadez · May 30, 2019

Theorry said:
Imagine Halo Infinite on Steam day one. Gamepass day one on PC, Gamepass day one on Xbox.
Players numbers are gonna be big.

That would LITERALLY be the rejuvenation of that franchise.

Oh and you forgot Switch day one via Xcloud Gamepass streaming :)
Yeah it's wishful thinking but let a man live.

MXT · May 30, 2019

astro said:
But Macs are PCs too...

Macs are Macs.

z1ggy said:
lmao, no its not.

The Windows PC is a Microsoft platform. They create and control the operating system. The underlying hardware is built to specs that Microsoft sets. Your video card is built to meet Windows Logo requirements, so it works in Windows. Your motherboard is even closer intertwined.

Deleted member 42 · May 30, 2019

I refuse to allow this we can't have games available everywhere

GET THE FREEZE GUN

astro · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
Macs are Macs.

The Windows PC is a Microsoft platform. They create and control the operating system.

You've fallen for the marketing.

chromatic9 · May 30, 2019

That's quite incredible.

With the new gen not far away and some PC advantages looking to be nullified with the new systems, I would not be surprised to see many who got into PC gaming in recent years transition back.

Komo · May 30, 2019

eonden said:
MS games are on Steam because all of this is to mend all the bridges they have broken for more than a decade now.
They want to show the PC gamers that MS also cares about them and that they should subscribe to their gaming services. They wouldnt recover their damaged brand value with partnering with EGS but they would by partnering with Steam.

It is that simple.

They didn't really partner with steam as Gabe already said. They just did the same process anyone else has done on steam to submit a game.

Durante · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
There was no real choice.

There was absolutely a real choice for MS: not designing UWP to be incompatible with the existing ecosystem in the first place.

Of course, back then their primary priority was trying to use their PC position as a wedge to not fail (again) in cell phones, and that goal took that much saner choice away from them.
They failed anyway (thank god, because otherwise we'd probably be stuck with UWP).

MXT said:
The work for Valve is near zero

This is not true at all by the way.
Quite a few things Steam does for games and which gamers expect from it are based on dll interception, such as the ability to rebind and reorder all manner of controllers, or streaming. It would not be trivial by any stretch of the imagination to make that work seamlessly and without per-game issues cropping up for UWP.

It's actually continuosly amazing to me how Valve keeps that (and even just basic overlay functionality) working for over a decades of games, spanning APIs from DirectX 7 to 12, OpenGL, and Vulkan.

z1ggy · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
Macs are Macs.

Macs are PCs.

MXT said:
The Windows PC is a Microsoft platform. They create and control the operating system. The underlying hardware is built to specs that Microsoft sets. Your video card is built to meet Windows Logo requirements, so it works in Windows. Your motherboard is even closer intertwined.

Windows is, not the PC. I dont need windows to play games or to run anything on it.

djshauny1 · May 30, 2019

Great move :)

MXT · May 30, 2019

astro said:
You've fallen for the marketing.

Macs have hardware differences when compared to Windows PCs. Just because I know things does not mean I fell for something. Furthermore, the X86 PC being (relatively) open does not change anything here - even if we falsely say that the non-Mac, non-embedded X86 PC is completely unrelated to Windows, that does not make Windows any less of a Microsoft thing. Control of the operating system is everything. An operating system is a platform.

djshauny1 · May 30, 2019

Hektor said:
First Death Stranding, now this, platform warriors of all kinds r salty today

Is Death Stranding coming to PC? At launch?

astro · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
Macs have hardware differences when compared to Windows PCs. Just because I know things does not mean I fell for something. Furthermore, the X86 PC being (relatively) open does not change anything here - even if we falsely say that the non-Mac, non-embedded X86 PC is completely unrelated to Windows, that does not make Windows any less of a Microsoft thing. Control of the operating system is everything. An operating system is a platform.

I retract my last comment.

You've fallen HARD for the marketing.

MXT · May 30, 2019

z1ggy said:
Macs are PCs.

Macs are X86 computers with hardware and software differences when compared with the PC.

Dazraell · May 30, 2019

Great news! I will buy it day one.

Deleted member 42 · May 30, 2019

If you can play Gears of War 5 on your Mac I will laugh and then steal your Mac so that I can play on it

djshauny1 said:
Is Death Stranding coming to PC? At launch?

Unsure but there's smoke

astro · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
Macs are X86 computers with hardware and software differences when compared with the PC.

No, they are personal computers with a marketing spin.

"PC" outside of mac have endless hardware and software differences. The basis of your argument has 0 weight.

That's it.

z1ggy · May 30, 2019

MXT said:
Macs are X86 computers with hardware and software differences when compared with the PC.

Macs are PCs, just not the ones that you like.

pepe_silvia · May 30, 2019

JD3Nine said:
I like this new MS. Also, lol UWP. We hardly knew you.

Do you really know what UWP is? It's more than just games. UWP APIs continue to grow and if the future of the Surface line has any hope to be serviceable as a tablet going forward, UWP apps will need to work well.

EVA UNIT 01 · May 30, 2019

Fuck the MS store.
Day 1

MXT · May 30, 2019

astro said:
No, they are personal computers with a marketing spin.

That's it.

You simply do not know what you are talking about. Again: there are key hardware and software differences, from the completely different EFI implementation to the SMC to the logic board that doesn't even come close to meeting Windows Logo requirements to custom interconnects used for the custom security processor to countless things that you are erasing to make the meaningless argument that 'anything that has an X86 chip in it and can be used for general computing is the same thing as a Windows PC'.

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