• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

DrArchon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,485
I see. Well hopefully they realize it's a non issue in the west and can release the game as is there.
I'm imagining a scenario where Sega would think it would reflect badly on them to make any money off of this dude's likeness, and it wouldn't matter if that money came from Japan or elsewhere.
 

Deleted member 16657

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
10,198
Holy fuck so if you are caught using drugs in Japan you get unpersoned? They straight up eradicate traces of you from media?
 

ValKiryuSonicEX

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,257
But why should Sega suffer any of those repercussions? He's an actor. He's been a part of hundreds of projects and he's the one that commited the crime. Why should his mistake affect the livelihoods of all of the people that worked on the game?

It's a cultural/social issue over in Japan, scandals such as this cause a major problem and this is an unfortunate standard operating procedure. Think most everyone here can agree that this is extreme, but it's a deep-rooted culture issue.
 

Deleted member 34949

Account closed at user request
Banned
Nov 30, 2017
19,101
I wonder how long the delay for the western release would be if they do end up removing/replacing his likeness from the game.
 

Namikaze

Member
Oct 27, 2017
325
I'm guessing Japan doesn't mess around with drugs?

Last month, Shannon Dancy (a model) got arrested for having a single synthetic ecstasy pill.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,685
Japan morality chart:

War crime denial - A-okay
Child porn - Slap on the wrist
Idol has a boyfriend - Public apology now!
Took drugs - You are dead to the world

The mental health system in Japan is lagging behind with the treatments and stigma afaik. Being an addict of any sort might be extra tough to come forward about.
 

Maso

Member
Sep 6, 2018
912
You know what is part of human rights? The right to live. Guess what erodes that? Drug.
And true, no law can eliminate drug, but that doesn't mean it's not worth trying. It's funny that whenever someone brings up gun control, there're always people saying "but that country prohibits gun, they still have mass shooting!"
I feel like the big problem with it is that those archaic laws are much more damaging to the user than the drug itself. This man's life is basically over now and it's not from drugs deteriorating his body.
 

werezompire

Zeboyd Games
Verified
Oct 26, 2017
11,354
But why should Sega suffer any of those repercussions? He's an actor. He's been a part of hundreds of projects and he's the one that commited the crime. Why should his mistake affect the livelihoods of all of the people that worked on the game?

Because Sega doesn't want their product associated with him now. There's a major character in the game voiced by him that also looks like him and the game is coming out right when this guy is in the news for a major crime. We've seen similar stuff with companies wanting to distance their media from Michael Jackson after the latest documentary.
 

Deleted member 9317

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
9,451
New York
Eh, a little too serious, don't you think? Not defending him but way too many people consume drugs, including a lot of developers within Sega.
 

duckroll

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,191
Singapore
Because Sega doesn't want their product associated with him now. There's a major character in the game voiced by him that also looks like him and the game is coming out right when this guy is in the news for a major crime. We've seen similar stuff with companies wanting to distance their media from Michael Jackson after the latest documentary.
Reminder that people are fine with the MJ stuff in DMCV, and that the Kenshin author was arrested for child porn. Apparently not a major crime to Japan I guess.
 

Brunire

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 25, 2017
933
Ok, it might be a good idea for the RGG team to stop using actors' likenesses in their games.
 

RyougaSaotome

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,673
It bears repeating that within Japan, this reaction to his crime is perfectly normal and standard.

This isn't some edge case or special instance. This is simply how they deal with drug-related crimes for people in the media.

I know it's hard to fathom for a lot of folks, I totally get it. =/
 
Oct 25, 2017
17,537
It bears repeating that within Japan, this reaction to his crime is perfectly normal and standard.

This isn't some edge case or special instance. This is simply how they deal with drug-related crimes for people in the media.

I know it's hard to fathom for a lot of folks, I totally get it. =/
Even if the reaction is business as usual, that does not make it not totally fucking stupid.

The Kenshin writer was arrested for some far more insidious and he got a slap on the wrist and his character in the Shonen Jump game.
 

Deleted member 721

User-requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,416
i dont think they should edit the game, the west doesnt care about cocaine use like japan, especialy from an actor
 

foxuzamaki

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,556
Honestly, if this game eas American this wouldnt be more than a interesting fact. Now if he got caught with a illegal sex ring or something...
 

Aters

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
7,948
I feel like the big problem with it is that those archaic laws are much more damaging to the user than the drug itself. This man's life is basically over now and it's not from drugs deteriorating his body.

Years of jail time for drug consumption is indeed too harsh, even in Asia. Historically drug users are often also drug dealers, maybe now the law should make the distinction more clear.

For everyone who is wondering why Japan and other Asian countries are so harsh on drugs, try reading this short article

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/why-are-japanese-drug-laws-so-strict-1715179416

TLDR: Asia watched as China, the preeminent Asian power, get completely fucked and humiliated by the West through opium.
And ironically now the west ask the question: why is Asia so strict about drug? When they literally poisoned a country with drug.

Just today Japan had the biggest drug smuggling case in history: A Canadian was caught in airport with 30kg of drug.
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
Member
Oct 25, 2017
115,625
This is some fucking shit right here

This was supposed to be their big break

Fucking hell

Yup. The worst part is that the release window was PERFECT for the game in the West. Even if they manage to slap together a replacement actor for the character for the English release, they're gonna have to delay the game into next year if they want it to even have a shred of a chance of doing well now.
 

duckroll

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,191
Singapore
And ironically now the west ask the question: why is Asia so strict about drug?
I'm Singaporean, we hang drug traffickers here. I know all bout the history of opium and the drug issue in Asia here. My stand on tough drug laws is that they are good, but there should be empathy applied when dealing with any human being.

The problem in Japan isn't strict drug laws but the social reaction to it. It's nonsensical and not proportional. Nowhere else in Asia does this.
 

HK-47

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,592
You know what is part of human rights? The right to live. Guess what erodes that? Drug.
And true, no law can eliminate drug, but that doesn't mean it's not worth trying. It's funny that whenever someone brings up gun control, there're always people saying "but that country prohibits gun, they still have mass shooting!"
Might I suggest that guns and drugs are actually quite different
 

ValKiryuSonicEX

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,257

shounenka

Member
Nov 22, 2017
532
Yokohama
The drubbing of drug users by the media here is overdone ("How did he/she fall from such lofty heights (by puffing on a J...)!?!" and so forth), but as for the legal ramifications, it is what it is. Hard to have sympathy for those who still elect to do drugs here when they know what will happen if they are caught, even if the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Japanese or foreigner, you want to do drugs, do so in another country.
 

Wanderer5

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
10,983
Somewhere.
Japan morality chart:

War crime denial - A-okay
Child porn - Slap on the wrist
Idol has a boyfriend - Public apology now!
Took drugs - You are dead to the world

Oh yeah, I am reminded of Nobuhiro Watsuki..... I guessing that his previous work wasn't pulled off the shelves (though the current series got affected for a bit)?
 

Mark H

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,679
It's not just Sega that's getting affected btw.
Every TV program, radio, drama, movie, music, basically anything that had Taki is getting eradicated.
Frozen will likely be following suit, and KH3 will probably be getting a patch for new VA.
 

Chessguy1

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,803
qoWaQKu.png
 

Deleted member 721

User-requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,416
For everyone who is wondering why Japan and other Asian countries are so harsh on drugs, try reading this short article

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/why-are-japanese-drug-laws-so-strict-1715179416

TLDR: Asia watched as China, the preeminent Asian power, get completely fucked and humiliated by the West through opium.
the text is incorrect in the pespective, Japan government invested a lot in Opium in China before the WW2, it was a big source of income to the imperial army
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...s-opium-dealer-in-wartime-china/#.XIiW6hBv_Qo
 

Kaizer

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,094
Japan morality chart:

War crime denial - A-okay
Child porn - Slap on the wrist
Idol has a boyfriend - Public apology now!
Took drugs - You are dead to the world
Let's not talk about drug laws, but rather social impact for offenses. Sega pulling this game isn't a legal thing, just like how the Kenshin author resuming work isn't a legal thing. It's a social thing that shows how companies react differently to social expectations. Same with forcing idols to seem virginal and single, and punishing relationships for causing distress to fans.

The actor being arrested for drugs is separate from him being scrubbed by the industry. When people in a culture feel that being arrested for drugs is worse than having child pornography, something is very wrong.

PREACH
 

Aters

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
7,948
Might I suggest that guns and drugs are actually quite different
Indeed, liberals love drugs, not guns. One thing is the same though: they both kill people, and before you say "car also kills people", no, drug is nowhere as useful as car. Heck it's easy enough to get legal drug from hospital, but people just want something stronger. Oh, and by the way, do you know where the money goes that you pay for drugs? Hint: Mexico. Should I remind you the atrocity drug lords committed to Mexican people? (A drug police's family was massacred last week by drug lord, right after the president attended his funeral). You are the one funding the drug lords.
 

anotherdoof

Member
Oct 27, 2017
739
the text is incorrect in the pespective, Japan government invested a lot in Opium in China before the WW2, it was a big source of income to the imperial army
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...s-opium-dealer-in-wartime-china/#.XIiW6hBv_Qo

Yeah I did notice it left out the part where Japan participated in it (since they wanted to be like a Western power, imperialism and all that), but I figured it was a decent basic overview.

When China was divided up into Spheres of Influence, Japan made sure to get their piece. But they clearly saw what opium did.