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SliceSabre

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People in this thread are really downplaying an illegal drugs like cocaine? Are you people fucking kidding me with this shit?

Cocaine and illegal drugs in general fucking ruin lives and not just the lives of those using them. This isn't up to debate.
 

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Such a minor thing to pull a game over, I bet they wouldn't have done shit if he was found with child porn instead.
 

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lol we got people here wanting HARSHER laws for drug use/possession in America, as if the prisons aren't already crowded enough and poor people and minorities aren't already horrendously targeted as-is.
 

Jessie

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People in this thread are really downplaying an illegal drugs like cocaine? Are you people fucking kidding me with this shit?

Cocaine and illegal drugs in general fucking ruin lives and not just the lives of those using them. This isn't up to debate.

Cocaine ruins lives, but it's not like this guy was a drug kingpin. He's a victim of addiction.

And so many people in the west do cocaine that the idea of pulling a game over drug charges against one person is ludicrous.
 

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Such a minor thing to pull a game over, I bet they wouldn't have done shit if he was found with child porn instead.

Pretty sure there is a case as referred to in the thread where someone related to creating content had CP and had little consequences.


Cocaine ruins lives, but it's not like this guy was a drug kingpin. He's a victim of addiction.

And so many people in the west do cocaine that the idea of pulling a game over drug charges against one person is ludicrous.

Cocaine really isn't that bad, unless you're a constant user and are taking hits every single day.
 

Mikebison

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Country is fine with producing child porn en masse but an actor has a bit of nose candy on him and everything is brought into disrepute. Wild.
 

MilkBeard

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Hopefully they will just keep the Western version intact and release on time. Maybe they will just wait until this cools down first and then make the announcement.
 

Delaney

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At this point i'm not sure if they will delay the game or just cancel Western release...

He did Olaf in japaness KH3..... Square seem to be low profile on that one :)

Square-Enix doesn't have a say in the matter. It will be Disney's Japan leg the one in charge of communicating and organizing a recast for every Olaf role.
 

Jessie

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Rurouni Kenshin just had a new volume last month. The author is a convicted pedophile, and he had an entire library of perverse child abuse.

I think that's part of the reason why this reaction over cocaine is making my eyes roll.
 

xrnzaaas

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Japanese laws and etiquette are crazy, it would be horrible if the game wasn't released outside of Japan.
 
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Imagine every western game with an actor who does coke in its cast being removed from shelves.
How many games would we be left with.
 

MilkBeard

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People in this thread are really downplaying an illegal drugs like cocaine? Are you people fucking kidding me with this shit?

Cocaine and illegal drugs in general fucking ruin lives and not just the lives of those using them. This isn't up to debate.
You will find that people in the West, at least those who aren't extremely religious, don't care as much about people doing drugs. See, for example: An actor from Netflix's series Stranger Things was deported for cocaine possession. There were articles about it, and people were like "yeah he's stupid for doing it" but the show didn't get pulled, they didn't even fire him from the show, etc.

Thus there is a conflict in cultures. But since this concerns the Western release, people are not happy with the prospect that something like this would delay the game or put its release in jeopardy. I'm sure there is a good balance somewhere, where they can show concern and we can still get the product without much delay, if any.
 

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Maybe he's innocent. Maybe someone offered him a cake and he misheard "cocaine" as "raisins."

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I don't think they're going to cancel the western release, especially considering these games sell as much, if not more than the Japanese release in addition to the amount of money Sega has put into the localization, but its gonna get pushed to Q4 at the very least. No way around that, I feel.

What a fucking mess.
 

Dinobot

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Ah Japan...

Where child porn possession is treated like a minor drug offence and cocaine possession and use is treated like the possession of child pornography.

What an bass ackwards country.
 

tadaima

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Sorry, but this timing looks like an obvious PR opportunity on SEGA's part.

The game dropped out of the top 50 weekly sales almost a month ago, which means it is selling only hundreds or barely over a thousand units per week.

Many people are now going to seek this game out. It should help the game to easily sell through its shipment/s which may otherwise have taken several months (if at all). I wouldn't be surprised if the game, despite being "unavailable" from now, resurfaces in next week's Famitsu/Media Create sales charts.

Whether or not it is available in retail channels as new, this will give a mainstream boost to brand awareness.
 

brooklynb_jp

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Checked two Book Offs near me. Game was either purged from the shelves, or other players bought all of the copies first. There were a lot... and now I have no game :(
 

Kalor

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Sorry, but this timing looks like an obvious PR opportunity on SEGA's part.

The game dropped out of the top 50 weekly sales almost a month ago, which means it is selling only hundreds or barely over a thousand units per week.

Many people are now going to seek this game out. It should help the game to easily sell through its shipment/s which may otherwise have taken several months (if at all). I wouldn't be surprised if the game, despite being "unavailable" from now, resurfaces in next week's Famitsu/Media Create sales charts.

Whether or not it is available in retail channels as new, this will give a mainstream boost to brand awareness.

Disney are replacing him as well so it's not even remotely a PR opportunity. This is just a huge headache for Sega to figure out.
 

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Japan was always like this when it comes to drugs and public people/shows associated with that person.
I remember this actress from few years ago who was found with marijuana and all reruns of her show were purged from TV in a matter of week.
 

tadaima

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Disney are replacing him as well so it's not even remotely a PR opportunity. This is just a huge headache for Sega to figure out.
That's an obvious move for Disney since the Frozen films are family friendly and still very actively marketed and this event could drag the Frozen brand through the mud.
This however is perfect marketing for a Yakuza game which is almost completely forgotten in the domestic market.
 

Mark H

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Sorry, but this timing looks like an obvious PR opportunity on SEGA's part.

The game dropped out of the top 50 weekly sales almost a month ago, which means it is selling only hundreds or barely over a thousand units per week.

Many people are now going to seek this game out. It should help the game to easily sell through its shipment/s which may otherwise have taken several months (if at all). I wouldn't be surprised if the game, despite being "unavailable" from now, resurfaces in next week's Famitsu/Media Create sales charts.

Whether or not it is available in retail channels as new, this will give a mainstream boost to brand awareness.
Every form of media Taki appeared in is getting pulled.
This isn't isolated to Sega but a normal response for Japanese businesses.
 

Lant_War

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Oh fuck off SEGA. Don't delay the western version for this shit, nobody cares here.
 

tadaima

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Every form of media Taki appeared in is getting pulled.
This isn't isolated to Sega but a normal response for Japanese businesses.
SEGA put out a media release, through the public relations team, about it.
In doing so, they are highlighting the direct relationship between their product and the headline.

Software is quietly removed – unannounced – from domestic retail on a weekly basis.
Not only that, but Taki has countless appearances spanning over 30 years in various forms of media which will also be quietly removed from distribution.

This is no less than a PR move on SEGA's part.

We shall see the impact in approximately one week from now, but I'd put my dollar on the game re-charting after one month of flatlined sales.
 

Melchiah

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It should be noted that drugs are super illegal in Japan. So if a celebrity gets (allegedly) caught with them, all their work gets immediately removed from the public eye, which is why Sega is doing this. This is a pretty standard procedure. I'm sure Judge Eyes will eventually go on sale again, but it's still a pretty bad situation for now. I really, really hope this won't affect the western release.

Given the culture, it makes the actor's drug use all the more selfish. He had to know it would affect several people who put time and effort on making the product that's now canned.
 

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People in this thread are really downplaying an illegal drugs like cocaine? Are you people fucking kidding me with this shit?

Cocaine and illegal drugs in general fucking ruin lives and not just the lives of those using them. This isn't up to debate.
At least to clarify my own stance on this, I'm very aware of the damage they do. That's why I don't support a criminal model. Because how does just throwing these people in jail help fix their lives at all? That doesn't make much sense.

What should be done when it comes to drugs is a model such as Portugal's, where drugs are illegal but decriminalized and the focus is purely on a medical model to get those addicted to them the help they need and doing what we can to like get at the root causes of why they use those drugs to begin with and help them stop their use of such products and actually improve their lives, versus throwing them in jail, which is just ruining their lives in a different way. The focus should be on helping them and stemming use of the drug and just viewing it through such a medical/rehabilitative lens, not a punitive model.

And of course, note, this goes for personal drug use. Drug dealers are naturally an entirely different subject, as that does cause lots of suffering, and that's something that does deserve punishment, especially when it's done in large and extravagant amounts. But simple use of drugs, even ones like cocaine? That in of itself is a nonviolent offense and criminalizing that does nothing to actually improve the lives of those affected by the drugs or the lives of their families and loved ones, and stuff like the war on drugs in the United States and the US's prison population being so high, with this going on for decades at this point with the war on drugs no closer to "success" speaks to the failure of that approach, if nothing else does (and this is without even touching on subjects such as the racial discrepancies in enforcement of the war on drugs and how messed up that is and how many lives that ruins). From the best of my understanding, Portugal has had more success with its model in the time its been active than the US has, and when you put all of that together, I just can't be alright with punishing users in that kind of way and don't get the benefits of that approach, as compared to the many, many downsides.
 

FHIZ

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Removing the Japanese audio doesn't really solve the problem, since the character he plays also bears his likeness.

If they removed the Japanese audio, I could only imagine it being so that they could still release the game in the west as scheduled but deter the Japanese audience from importing until they can recast the role, at which point I'd imagine they'd add Japanese audio back into the western version. So I'd personally be totally fine with that, since the alternative would be to endure a delay. I'd rather just the Japanese audio be delayed than the entire game.
Should have been more specific, I can see hem changing the model which, I'd imagine would be quicker than reduubbing, and removing the Japanese audio from the Western release. Seems like it's be the quickest thing to do, but again, after playing the most recent Yakuza games, I'm totally immersed in the Japanese drama vibe and an English dub is not what I want from games of this studio.

Does anyone know how big a part this dude had in Judgement?
 

Mark H

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SEGA put out a media release, through the public relations team, about it.
In doing so, they are drawing a direct relationship between their product and the headline.

Software is quietly removed – unannounced – from domestic retail on a weekly basis.
Not only that, but Taki has countless appearances spanning over 30 years in various forms of media which will also be quietly removed from distribution.

This is no less than a PR move on SEGA's part.

We shall see the impact in approximately one week from now, but I'd put my dollar on the game re-charting after one month of flatlined sales.
Huh? We already have confirmation from NHK to the press that every episode of various drama series Taki appeared in is getting pulled, Sony Music has made public statement that they're pulling all Denki Groove CDs, and Disney has also made public statement about changing VA.
None of these are quietly removing stuff unannounced, and this is only a start and I'm sure more are to follow.
 
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Lol, oh please... you probably saw something on tv now you think you know "literally" half the country's drinking habits?

I don't know how stiff the penalty is over there, but ppl in here are acting like cocaine isn't illegal in the west either...

I lived in Japan 9 years in total, speak fluently and holds a jlpt1, and worked in various positions both in the industry and the academic research.
Half of country is drink after 8pm. Drinking is literally cited as a hobby by lots people under 35. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.
 

krazen

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My favorite part of this thread is everyone assuming that drug use in Japan is so low because of draconian government techniques as opposed to the gov being the one who gets to say whatever numbers they want:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2014/08/23/lifestyle/dealing-addiction-japans-drug-problem/

Lets not get into that fact that Japan's crazy high prosecution rate is less about policework, more about the lack of protections if you are accused:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20810572

But hey, lets round up all the druggies and stone em to death in the town squade, amright? Assholes.
 

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That's extreme....it's one actor on cocaine. Sorry, that's just not necessary. If you stop buying things because someone involved is on drugs, you'll just never buy anything anymore.
 

Mark H

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I lived in Japan 9 years in total, speak fluently and holds a jlpt1, and worked in various positions both in the industry and the academic research.
Half of country is drink after 8pm. Drinking is literally cited as a hobby by lots people under 35. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.
You're making wild generalization based on your anecdotal evidence.
 

Ferrs

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People in this thread are really downplaying an illegal drugs like cocaine? Are you people fucking kidding me with this shit?

Cocaine and illegal drugs in general fucking ruin lives and not just the lives of those using them. This isn't up to debate.

No one is downplaying that, but it's ridiculous to act like someone doing cocaine is actually ruining lives. You don't even know how much he does cocaine and people already assume dude's like a cartel leader. These drugs are illegal and should stay illegal but the difference in repercusions in Japan between someone doing drugs and pedos is insulting. You aren't going to solve shit going after a guy doing cocaine.
 

Snowybreak

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People in this thread are really downplaying an illegal drugs like cocaine? Are you people fucking kidding me with this shit?

Cocaine and illegal drugs in general fucking ruin lives and not just the lives of those using them. This isn't up to debate.

And using draconian methods to deal with the issue of users doesn't fucking help and only creates more problems. But sure, attempt to get in the saddle of that high-fucking-horse that you think you have.
 

krazen

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And I will repost this for you:

U guys are killing me with your bias. So if that's the case the US has a relatively low alcohol problem too because it comes in at #48 which isn't much higher stats wise than Japan's 71 since we are factoring in 191 countries. And any major US city's downtown you're going to see binge drinking, besides his one hyperbole statement of half the people drinking, i don't see his post about saying that Japan has a visible alcohol problem is suddenly anecdotal where the WHO site has it in the top 1/3rd of alcohol consuming counties
 
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