Is that perhaps because you clearly don't understand what the phrase "character assassination" means? If you want a glib term for it "character suicide" would be more fitting.
People hand waving this as "well that's just the way they do things over there" or calling it casual racism seems a bit silly. If nobody points out or criticizes long held cultural relics that cause suffering on a large scale nothing would ever change.
No one's gonna argue that Japan doesn't have draconian drug laws, and the legal system has lacked awareness on child abuse and sexual assault (although this is changing for the better in recent years.) But "Japan cares more about drugs than sexual assault and pedophilia" could easily mean "Japan (and the people that make it up) is backwards," which is reductive and ethnocentric. Japanese sexual assault survivors certainly care. Japanese caretakers of children certainly care.
One may simply be referring to the Japanese government or those in power when they say such things, but I've also heard these same arguments being used about other countries by people who want to put up a thin veneer of social consciousness, but really just wanna dunk on people different than them.
Is that perhaps because you clearly don't understand what the phrase "character assassination" means? If you want a glib term for it "character suicide" would be more fitting.
Wait so because an actor might have done cocaine Sega and the dev team gets completely fucked? I guess now Microsoft knows how to win next gen, just accuse a janitor working for Sony for drug abuse and the entire company goes in lockdown mode.
This is absurd that one cast member amoung dozens, not to mention the entire dev team, is cause for pulling the game.
An absurd middle finger to potentially hundreds of people. It makes no sense.
He took coke and didn't go on a murderous rampage and all his previous works are being pulled one after another. I can't believe, that I have to argue this. Talking about glib, jesus.
No one's gonna argue that Japan doesn't have draconian drug laws, and the legal system has lacked awareness on child abuse and sexual assault (although this is changing for the better in recent years.) But "Japan cares more about drugs than sexual assault and pedophilia" could easily mean "Japan (and the people that make it up) is backwards," which is reductive and ethnocentric. Japanese sexual assault survivors certainly care. Japanese caretakers of children certainly care.
One may simply be referring to the Japanese government or those in power when they say such things, but I've also heard these same arguments being used about other countries by people who want to put up a thin veneer of social consciousness, but really just wanna dunk on people different than them.
I'm sure if you dug a little deeper you'd find a lot more people in the Japanese entertainment industry who "know the consequences and clearly don't give a fuck"It's not as if this response is out of line with Japanese culture, which means the guy taking the cocaine knew the consequences and clearly didn't give a fuck.
I was not referring to the game delay, a man's life is destroyed and will be going to prison for usage of a recreational drug.The delay of a video game isn't exactly causing "large-scale suffering"
I don't really see this incident as being a usable rallying point.
It's terrible for the re-work RGG Studio will be on the hook for, no doubt.
I was not referring to the game delay, a man's life is destroyed and will be going to prison for usage of a recreational drug.
They seriously do damnatio memoriae on the person works every time for drugs? Dang. Is there any historic reason why drugs are treated THAT harshly in the public eye over there?
A little series of events about the Opium trade and wars over it.
Is not just a Japan thing...
He is an important character with his motion capture. You don't see Square enix pulling Kingsom Hearts III
I wouldn't be so quick to assume. Plenty of people take a look at the power structures and assume it's reflective of the character an entire group of people, and that gets extra problematic when the group is of a different ethnic group. You, obviously, don't believe that (especially with those avatar colors - anarchist?), so be assured I'm not calling you out in particular, or even the guy I was replying to initially.So your argument basically boils down to #notalljapanesepeople. Nobody is saying ALL JAPANESE PEOPLE care more about drugs than child porn. But the systems in place and societal standards sure do punish drug usage more harshly, and while that doesn't reflect every single individual, it does reflect the society and the state.
I'm sure if you dug a little deeper you'd find a lot more people in the Japanese entertainment industry who "know the consequences and clearly don't give a fuck"
The punitive approach to drug abuse is outdated and harmful. It serves to divide and separate
Honestly, yeah, it's crazy how different the reactions were.And yet Watsuki only got a minor fine for child porn possession and continues drawing manga.
This isn't character assassination. Drug use is a massive taboo in Japan. Yes, people can point out the hypocrisy of it compared to social responses of other crimes, but when a celebrity in Japan is caught doing drugs, their careers are effectively over, and it can affect productions that they were involved with in the past.
Agreed. He surely knew the laws and consequences and broke 'em anyway. He's to blame for whatever goes down with his band, coworkers, etc. Does he have children? If so, he's likely hurt them in some way. Cause despite the cries of "drugs harm only the user (if even that)" a good many of them certainly do harm others, including their own children, whether it be directly or indirectly.I'm sure you would and I too find this approach laughably draconian. But it was still the actor in question not SEGA who gambled with the lively hood of the people affected. He's not an innocent victim in this.
God dammit. Though not a 100% confirmation this to me screams that either it is going to be delayed for quite a while or outright cancelled for the west.
There's no way it's going to get cancelled outright. It'll definitely take a little while extra no matter how they opt to fix this, but there's too much money on the line (both in international sales and continued domestic sales) to just completely bin the game so near release.Yup. The question really comes down to whether or not it's worth the cost to delay it and relocalize it or if they'll just cut their losses and cancel the whole project. What a goddamn mess.
There's no way it's going to get cancelled outright. It'll definitely take a little while extra no matter how they opt to fix this, but there's too much money on the line (both in international sales and continued domestic sales) to just completely bin the game so near release.
Yeah, finally getting a completely new non-sequel game out here is a big deal! We'll just have to see how it shakes out but I feel pretty confident that fans are still going to buy in asap.I hope you're right. The Yakuza series has had such terrible luck in the West and it really felt like this was its next chance after 0 to really make a splash over here.
Yeah, finally getting a completely new non-sequel game out here is a big deal! We'll just have to see how it shakes out but I feel pretty confident that fans are still going to buy in asap.
I would I agree with you if it were any company other than Sega.There's no way it's going to get cancelled outright. It'll definitely take a little while extra no matter how they opt to fix this, but there's too much money on the line (both in international sales and continued domestic sales) to just completely bin the game so near release.
Of course Sega will release it. They've done an entire dub and 6 subtitle tracks. That's a lot of work to throw away. It would be cheaper to redub and recast the accused actor.
Part of me feels that a lot of the worry towards a western release is because of the troubled history Yakuza has had when it comes to localization. As others have said, Judgment is the first time Sega of America is going super hard on localization. In addition the international sales of the Yakuza games have been on par with, if not eclipsed, japanese sales.I hope you're right. The Yakuza series has had such terrible luck in the West and it really felt like this was its next chance after 0 to really make a splash over here.
Yes, The United States of America, A country known for their history of lax and forgiving drug policy.
Maybe you should get some perspective on this issue that wasn't hijacked from a 1930s propaganda film.
Opium was a problem, sure, but widespread corruption and massive internal rebellions were what really fucked over China back in the dayI mean, China did get flooded with Opium that helped destroy its country. Obviously, everything is a lot different now, but you could see why asian countries would be wary of drugs.
I really feel like Judgment was the Ryu ga Gotoku brand's best possible chance at becoming properly mainstream in the west, especially considering it is fully dubbed and has a great release date. I very much doubt it would be cancelled, but any sort of delay could take it from a sleeper hit to a Valkyria Chronicles 4 level bomb (that one still seriously hurts). I hope they stick the course here and just avoid using the actor's face in any future marketing.
IMO it has been a pretty big issue with Yakuza games to constantly rely on actor's faces. Tanimura getting a new actor is honestly pretty exciting because now I could see that character showing up in future titles. With Judgment being almost exclusively well known actor faces it makes me think there will not be a sequel or even a followup. Forget anything cool like them showing up as a guest in fighting game too.
Sure, sure, westerner invaders were innocent, China had itself to blame. I mean, Indians love to kill each other and drink, that's why they are gone right?Opium was a problem, sure, but widespread corruption and massive internal rebellions were what really fucked over China back in the day
So can I order a copy to the United states no problem or do I need a debit card from another country? Never heard of this site.Still easily found on Qoo10. I think it's not hard to find it in stores. Still not sure If I want the game, got a feeling it will be re released soon but I guess it will be a collector item?
https://qoo.tn/BAk5iR/Q100007949
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I can easily find it on lazada and shopee too haha.
And more than 88,000 people died of alcohol related deaths in the US as well. Alcohol is, as far as I'm concerned, a drug. Do you think alcohol should be banned as well?"Just realized how serious drug are in Japan"
Over 70 thousand Americans died in 2017 in drug abuse. Seems to me the US needs to get more serious.
Who said they were innocent. You are skilled at putting words in people's mouths. Westerners tend to overestimate how much of an effect they had. The Taiping Rebellion was absolutely devastating. Or are you gonna blame that all on opium too?The game is no longer avaiblable in Hong Kong PSN store, and I suspect in other Asian PSN stores where it was released as well.
Sure, sure, westerner invaders were innocent, China had itself to blame. I mean, Indians love to kill each other and drink, that's why they are gone right?
I can somewhat understand East/Southeast Asian countries being leery of drugs given the effect of opium on China in the past (in spite of the inherent hypocrisy of continuing to allow alcohol, which is just as bad as many types of hard drugs), but it's INSANELY fucked up that it's considered, apparently, worse than violence, murder or sexual abuse. These are objectively worse.
And more than 88,000 people died of alcohol related deaths in the US as well. Alcohol is, as far as I'm concerned, a drug. Do you think alcohol should be banned as well?
But steroids are perfectly legal.It should be noted that drugs are super illegal in Japan. So if a celebrity gets (allegedly) caught with them, all their work gets immediately removed from the public eye, which is why Sega is doing this. This is a pretty standard procedure. I'm sure Judge Eyes will eventually go on sale again, but it's still a pretty bad situation for now. I really, really hope this won't affect the western release.
Are we talking about the fall of Qing dynasty or the fall of Chinese people? Cuz Qing dynasty's fall was inevitable no matter what like every previous dynasty. It was rotten, and it was overthrown. Every few hundred years it happened. But opium was what makes Chinese people miserable.Westerners tend to overestimate how much of an effect they had. The Taiping Rebellion was absolutely devastating. Or are you gonna blame that all on opium too?
And more than 88,000 people died of alcohol related deaths in the US as well. Alcohol is, as far as I'm concerned, a drug. Do you think alcohol should be banned as well?
Ineffective at curbing drug use? Of course, because prohibition does not work.