This is the kind of shit that leads to the downgrade debacles we've had.
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Geoff Keighley is skipping E3
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This is the kind of shit that leads to the downgrade debacles we've had.
Eh? That wasn't the intention of that at all. (Unless we're talking about E3 itself, which has unequivocally been a downgrade year over year recently.)
E3 is more important, but is not even the biggest by numbers.
E3 2019:
720,000 spuare feet
66,100 Attendance
3 days
13,131,431 population (metropolitan area)
Gamescom 2019:
2,346,532 square feet
373,000 Attendance
3 days
10,000,000 population (metropolitan area)
So i don't see how E3 should downsize to match gamescom.
I mean having the devs create something to hype the game for E3, sometimes the demos arent even part of the full game, its just to showcase what they have so far. Can lead to what happened to Watchdogs. Im agreeing with you that it hurts the devs and can even hurt the game's appeal in the end.
I think, despite all of our listed suggestions, what they need to do is talk with publishers and game devs and figure out what they need for them all to show up and make presentations. It may be that nothing will convince them, but I don't think that's the case. If it's making it more like a trade show, do that. If it's making it more like a crazy fan show, do that
Ok, i got you.
Gamescom is really more like a festival.
Maybe it is right for E3 more to be like a trade show, on a smaller base, because the professionals are even in the "neighborhood".
But i also think the festival route makes sense, it is some kind of advertising for games, i don't think that going to a festival, even for games, is something from yesterdays times.
Sounds great to me! And to play new Nintendo games down the line.
That tweet from Geoff is really ominous. As someone who's presented the customer facing parts of the show (at least in the mainstream, the E3 colosseum is normally front page on YouTube) to turn round and say "I don't feel comfortable with what I know about the show"? Man...
Anyway. I've been privileged enough to go to E3 and Gamescom several times. Gamescom is by far the better event, even though it's fucking enormous. E3 feels like it's been coasting on its name recognition alone for the past couple of years, and with them opening it up to the public and all the surrounding fuck ups, it's not good.
Anyway. I've been privileged enough to go to E3 and Gamescom several times. Gamescom is by far the better event, even though it's fucking enormous. E3 feels like it's been coasting on its name recognition alone for the past couple of years, and with them opening it up to the public and all the surrounding fuck ups, it's not good.
Geoff Keighley will not participate in E3 2020
Media personality Geoff Keighley will not produce the E3 Coliseum this year.The E3 Coliseum is a live stage show that w…
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Geoff Keighley will not participate in E3 2020
Media personality Geoff Keighley will not produce the E3 Coliseum this year.The E3 Coliseum is a live stage show that w…
Oh. Woof.
It barely is though. MS holds their own event in their own theater and, while they will probably have some small Mixer floor presence again, they are really not taking up a huge amount of floor space like they used to.
The ESA needs all of these publishers and manufacturers more than they need the ESA. The ESA has been ineffective in terms of protecting the interests of the video game industry (and by that I mean the shareholders in these companies), against legislation (see stories like this https://kotaku.com/u-s-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-loot-boxes-and-pay-1834612226 ), unionization (https://www.latimes.com/business/te...paign-to-organize-video-game-and-tech-workers ), and other regulations/business practices that might cut into their profits. No one at Sony or Activision is going to speak and up say "We're not happy with how you're letting these unions try to interfere with our businesses", but you know those conversations are happening behind closed doors.
Sony, Activision, MS, and EA have no problem spending millions on advertising and trade shows. It's part of the business. They just don't want to support the ESA because they don't feel like the ESA is pushing hard enough against these things that are going to cut into their bottom line and they are expressing their displeasure by not contributing to, what has been, a cash cow for the ESA.
That's my take anyway. I don't think they're happy with the direction the ESA is going in. I'd love to hear what someone like jschreier, with a bit more industry insight and knowledge, might be able to chime in with about this.
Believe me I'm not saying I'm anti-union, or anti-lootbox legislation, but these companies sure as hell are and if the ESA isn't going to be a strong voice for them on these issues, then I don't see them continuing to support the ESA. What was the last big lobbying effort the ESA did that truly had long lasting benefits for the video game industry? I know they fought hard to not have mature video games regulated by the goverment in favor of setting up the ESRB, but since then, have they really been effective at all in protecting or promoting these companies interests? I know they have some hand in reducing copyright infringement, but is it worth it for companies the size of EA to pay an association like the ESA to do that on their behalf? Wouldn't it make more sense to just hire a lawyer and that's his job?
Also, none of this really explains why Keighley doesn't want to go this year.
I didn't watch Geoff's show in the past 2 E3 but this is certainly a big blow. Is Giant Bomb still going to E3?
Geoff Keighley will not participate in E3 2020
Media personality Geoff Keighley will not produce the E3 Coliseum this year.The E3 Coliseum is a live stage show that w…
Holy shit, how bad could it be if that was one of the reasons?
Geoff Keighley will not participate in E3 2020
Media personality Geoff Keighley will not produce the E3 Coliseum this year.The E3 Coliseum is a live stage show that w…
Maybe he can do a "Final Hours" for E3.
Geoff Keighley will not participate in E3 2020
Media personality Geoff Keighley will not produce the E3 Coliseum this year.The E3 Coliseum is a live stage show that w…
E3 really is dead
I must be the minority here, but this has no effect on my viewing of the event. /shrug Now when Adam Sessler stopped, that got me.
I have no interest in what he does and there is still going to be lots of new shit shown so it's no loss to me at all.
I was just thinking too, there appears to be differing opinions across all developers as to what they want e3 to be.
what's different now (not news) is that people have access to more avenues to disseminate their announcements. What i personally JUST thought about is that those discussions are probably MUCH more heated because publishers have a LOT more leverage. Square Enix can say, yeah dude, make it a consumer event, we will just show final fantasy 7 remake on a random Tuesday with avengers. Sony can be like lol SpiderMan2 will be announced by a robot text to speech woman on a random Monday if you don't make it consumer focused. So basically e3 is sinking and they don't know how to correct it because each publisher wants something different. They can only patch up so many holes before their resources run dry (sea of thieves reference)
what's different now (not news) is that people have access to more avenues to disseminate their announcements. What i personally JUST thought about is that those discussions are probably MUCH more heated because publishers have a LOT more leverage. Square Enix can say, yeah dude, make it a consumer event, we will just show final fantasy 7 remake on a random Tuesday with avengers. Sony can be like lol SpiderMan2 will be announced by a robot text to speech woman on a random Monday if you don't make it consumer focused. So basically e3 is sinking and they don't know how to correct it because each publisher wants something different. They can only patch up so many holes before their resources run dry (sea of thieves reference)
Yeah on 2/12/20 I learned about the E3 Colisieum. Had zero clue
I imagine the majority of casual video game enthusiast (yes we exist) only watch the big 3 and that's it.
I really only associate him with the game awards
This has probably already been brought up, but this feels more impactful than Sony skipping E3 to me.
Like, in some weird way I could see why Sony would skip E3... I guess., but for Mr. Keighley to say " I just don't feel comfortable participating" is a big ol' red flag for me.
Like, in some weird way I could see why Sony would skip E3... I guess., but for Mr. Keighley to say " I just don't feel comfortable participating" is a big ol' red flag for me.
in 4 months? there is no need for it. e3 might implode this year, so 2021 would leave room for something fresh.
but lets face it: e3 is no longer needed.
Geoff Keighley will not participate in E3 2020
Media personality Geoff Keighley will not produce the E3 Coliseum this year.The E3 Coliseum is a live stage show that w…
I would love to know more details behind that comment, that's for sure.
Oh I meant in the future. Sony is probably bringing a war chest of announcements and hype to their own show and Microsoft is gonna be the only worthwhile conference at E3.
Remember before there was E3, there was Summer CES in Chicago? (yes,. two Consumer Electronic Shows every year, WCES in Vegas, SCES in Chicago).
I was at the last Summer CES in 1994.
I feel the same.
I was at the last Summer CES in 1994.
I feel the same.
If Geoff Keighley can handle the uncomfortableness of Joel McHale
What the hell could have possibly caused this one
lmao
What the hell could have possibly caused this one
lmao
Only watch E3 for the trailers so don't really care if he isn't attending.
Curious to know how E3 fucked it all up though?
Must be some juicy behind the scenes stuff.
Curious to know how E3 fucked it all up though?
Must be some juicy behind the scenes stuff.
This is not about how it impacts viewers, this is about how E3 is transforming and the impact it's having on it no longer being the show we've known for years. Geoff claiming he doesn't feel comfortable with what he knows and refusing to attend (not just refraining from hosting) is very telling.
Someone on the first page made the same comment as yours and I simply don't get what the point was/is.
I always end up watching the trailers and they never look like the final product or are years away. I will miss the fun times and hype of e3 fuckery but I won't be too bothered if it died off.