The fact that Ninja is a shoe-in for this says way more about people that play games than it does Geoff, The Game Awards, or the industry. And that's true whether or not you think Ninja is problematic.
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Geoff, we need to have a serious talk about the "Content Creator" award.
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Which is why the biggest blockbuster movies win all the awards, right?
I'm not into the streaming culture, whats the reasoning behind youtubers getting awards?
The content for me is the video game and the development. Like imagine giving an emmy to someone watching Game of Thrones for making jokes about it or analyzing it. Sure it's entertaining and the person behind that is talented, but the real value is still the source material they are using.
My personal opinion is I would love it if they focused more on elements of the development, like art design, sound effects, screen writers etc.. By highlighting those guys they could really push the industry forward.
The content for me is the video game and the development. Like imagine giving an emmy to someone watching Game of Thrones for making jokes about it or analyzing it. Sure it's entertaining and the person behind that is talented, but the real value is still the source material they are using.
My personal opinion is I would love it if they focused more on elements of the development, like art design, sound effects, screen writers etc.. By highlighting those guys they could really push the industry forward.
How about we make it for those that actually create content...fan games, animation, original music, that kind of thing. Nominate Michaela "Otama-mama" Nachtigall, TerminalMontage, or another similar actual creator, many of which are slipping my mind at the moment.
Playing games on a Stream isn't creating content, it's just generating revenue.
Playing games on a Stream isn't creating content, it's just generating revenue.
Apparently it's because he has a wife and gamers can be a toxic, shit-stirring bunch.
Or celebrate those content creators that make something for the direct betterment of others.
If I was picking nominees, I'd go with all of GDQ for raising tons of money for charity.
This.
And this.
Time to move on.
Aren't the nominees selected by a number of games press? Not everything is a conspiracy (or for the views).
I think the Ninja issue is bigger than The Game Awards. He's representing the entire industry for a significant portion of the population, and while he's gotten better at cleaning up his image - there's absolutely past behavior that could potientally indicate another massive collapse - as has been the case with a lot of the winners of this award.
But if Ninja blows up, it's not going to shine poorly on The Game Awards. It's going to shine badly on everyone, because he is the person who has been selected by this industrial machine to represent gaming as a concept. The backlash happens regardless of who gets the award.
But if Ninja blows up, it's not going to shine poorly on The Game Awards. It's going to shine badly on everyone, because he is the person who has been selected by this industrial machine to represent gaming as a concept. The backlash happens regardless of who gets the award.
What's the most efficient way to get viewers? Nominate people with a lot of social media followers.
My beef is that it looks like he just went to Twitch>Browse for the Content Creator award, and nobody like Mark Brown or Matthewmatosis who make content on their youtube channels.,
I mean, I know the answer is just "because toxic videogame community," but christ WHY
He wont stream with women because he said people will assume that they are a couple and start rumours and shit.
He doesn't HAVE to stream with or promote women on his streams, they are his streams after all and he gets to chose who he plays with and all that, but his reasoning behind not playing with women is the issue. He refuses to play with or promote a huge part of the world just because some internet trolls would be spamming hearts or kissy emojis or someshit.
this.
Giving awards to Youtubers is dumb, and even dumber when year after year it keeps going to racists/sexists fucks.
His reason is something along the lines of he doesn't want to have women on stream so that his fans dont think he has a thing with them + spread rumors that would damage/put strain on his marriage IIRC.
It's not that he has to have women on stream. But saying he will not play with women because of those resulting rumors rubs me the wrong way because 1) it lacks acknowledgement of his power over his viewers and his ability to change their perfections 2) feeds back into misogynistic stereotypes about women streamers without questioning it and 3) honestly feels like a bad reason.
Gamers are shit, thus those they cause to trend tend to be the biggest piles of shit. Change the award to something more noteworthy than just some fuck that gets a lot of views. Or get rid of it entirely.
I think epic created that content and twitch engineers created the platform for it. But sure talking in front of a game is content now...or maybe calling it that is what caused the problem in the first place.
Why do they still have this category. When Geoff asked what they can do to improve the Game Awards the number 1 answer was getting rid of trending gamer. Which I guess they technically did but it sounds like it's under a new name.
What is Geoff's take on gamergate btw, the bedrock of alt right recruitment and videogame harassment movements?
Ninja is actually a really nice guy. Sure his reasoning behind not streaming with women is one of the stupidest things I ever heard in my life LOL but at the end of the day he is doing what he thinks is best for his marriage and he isn't causing any harm. Not to mention, Ninja isn't the first athlete to have inoffensive but stupid beliefs. For example look at Russell Wilson or Tim Tebow.
It is a brilliant film at the end of the day and forever belongs to the archive of humanity's great achievements in art. Ninja doesn't make shit.
If I'm reading this correctly, he's not having women on his stream anymore in order to protect them from his toxic fanbase?
If so, there doesn't seem like any malicious intent on his part, but how long does he intend to keep that up?
At some point, you gotta tackle such a toxic community head-on and not shirk away like that.
The bolded are very valid points.
Even if inadvertent, his actions have consequences due to his popularity within the community.
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Well, it is. It's content. He's the content. Which is why if you or I streamed the exact same thing, no one would care. Because he's the content.
Detroit is dogshit piss? Be careful not to cut yourself on all that edge.
Yeah, well like was pointed out he has cleaned up his act on the stream. Outside of the stream sniping thing I can't think of anything he's done that's put a bad light on gaming.
The 'don't play with women' thing highlights a shitty side of gaming that really has nothing to do with him personally, but with the culture of gamers en masse. He plays with or co-hosts women, and they get hatemail and harassment. Why do we address his reaction to that, not that there's a NEED to react to something like that at all?
Im with you OP. It ultimately doesnt matter if hes a good guy off stream if the award is specifically for content creator/streamer which as you mentioned fosters a toxic environment. I also agree with the people who are pointing out this is more problematic that this has an audience but I would interject that awarding someone creating such an environment to those viewers is legitimizing the behavior-both for ninja and his audience.
Holy Shit dead. This is just pure ether.
I'll say it everytime. Its 2018. Grow the fuck up. Excluding women because they receive toxic messages is only reinforcing the ideals that were being thrown at them in the first place. Lets take your logic to the extreme- anytime anyone in any workplace receives public hate similar to what you mentioned above, employers should just fire them because its the best way to not have to deal with said toxicity. Does that sound like a cogent position to take?
Holy Shit dead. This is just pure ether.
Bingo. Equality > video games, always.
I wouldn't be that harsh. I pretty much think that, besides that potential viewership, Geoff doesn't mean any harm with this category, and he also can't control what shitheads say AFTER being awarded and promoted.
That said, I do believe this category needs to go away for good. Let's keep the focus on the people working on games (which is also way I think the Esports awards, while overwhelming, are ok).
Well, that's the fiercest burn I'll read all day. Might as well log off.
I don't delude myself...I already know I'm out of touch with the young'uns these days; but every time a graphic like this pops up my reaction is always:
I'd rather have no game awards if it means not promoting misogyny.
DrDisrespect already won last year after defending the use of the n word as a "heated gaming moment" :)