Who ARE these people? I know just one of them and its the douche bag that wont stop shosing up in my YT feed no matter what I do
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Geoff, we need to have a serious talk about the "Content Creator" award.
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I'm always blown away when Era doesn't know an incredibly popular and well-known person but I guess I shouldn't be at this point.
Most of the gaming audience doesn't follow twitch culture. Thankfully.
These people aren't just on Twitch they're massive on literally every platform. YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, etc.
And yet they aren't known. That should tell you something.
I and many others find gamer personalities incredibly lame.
So is the physical award the "Content Creator" will get the same award that the game developer nominees will get? It doesn't seem like someone who makes what can only be described as "content" related to video games should stand on the same stage and win the same metal prize as the people who make the games.
This seems like a reading comprehension issue.
Saying "x is not discrimination" is not downplaying discrimination.
If you're contention is that I'm downplaying what this guy is doing, then that might be a bit different. Even then, I've said its shitty all around but i dont agree that its discrimination in the context it's being presented.
Ah ok cool. I Misunderstood my apologies.
Just i have watched a few videos to make sure they are suitable, and they seem child safe. The alternatives are very much not so.
I wont play games with you on stream because you're a woman is discrimination. You're wrong if you believe otherwise. And you have some questionable morals to boot if you dont see the obvious issue with this.
Fuck outta here with this bullshit. It's not complicated or deep.
Fuck outta here with this bullshit. It's not complicated or deep.
Social media is a joke imo
It is so reactionary and.often i find it just highlights flaws or divisions so much more frequently than it does genuine positive social change
Don't get me wrong I've heard amazing positive stories as a result of the medium through Facebook or other social media
But so often it is massively regressive and that is frustrating
It is so reactionary and.often i find it just highlights flaws or divisions so much more frequently than it does genuine positive social change
Don't get me wrong I've heard amazing positive stories as a result of the medium through Facebook or other social media
But so often it is massively regressive and that is frustrating
To play devil's advocate here, whilst I'm not condoning the trashy behaviour in that video, this is a guy who has probably streamed several thousand hours worth of gameplay. If that example is the worst you can find, then sensationalism aside, he likely isn't that bad. In thousands of hours worth of gameplay, I'd imagine most gamers will have had a handful of stupid or ragey off days, especially with online gaming.
One of the posts on the first page of the thread states he doesn't curse on streams anymore, so presumably the video in the OP isn't a standard or common occurance from him.
One of the posts on the first page of the thread states he doesn't curse on streams anymore, so presumably the video in the OP isn't a standard or common occurance from him.
The discussion has been more centrally about his not wanting to stream with women.
Yeah I've read more of the thread and realized that.
Honestly, it's his choice. I've read through the article on Polygon and Verge and can understand why he made that decision. It's definitely the "easy" route for him, but if it means he can lessen the amount of harassment his wife receives, then I really don't see the problem.
Is he expected to be constantly making the hard decisions to push the industry forward just because of how popular he is?
He's expected to not discriminate against women because that is the base level of behavior we expect from people. It doesn't matter how popular he is.
He refuses to stream with women. He got another streamer banned for "stream sniping" when they didn't do it and he lied about it.
Apparently that's valuable discussion.
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Even then, the behavior in the video was happening up until less than a year ago, and even without the cursing he has been acting overly hostile and childish to other players as little as a couple weeks ago.
Removing the "no no words" has not changed his personality.
Okay, cool. And are we just completely ignoring his reason for doing so? Is this a case where someone is doing something, and no matter why they're doing it, it's still wrong and shouldn't be done?
From what he's said, he avoids playing with female streams to lessen the harassment his wife receives. I'm with him on this one, it's not his job to push the industry forward and while he could definitely help, it's not worth putting your SO in an even riskier position. I'm sure with as popular as Ninja is, she already receives quite the bit of harassment from "gamers" out there.
Honestly, yes. If you're going to be in that spotlight no matter if you like it or not the responsibility is on you. Fame doesn't come without a price.
Perhaps they are. Maybe I'm just too old-fashioned to believe it right now.
If you're saying there's a good reason for discrimination, yes, I am ignoring that. I offered multiple solutions already that do not involve discrimination. He is not being forced to discriminate, and him being a victim of something does not give him any right to perpetuate discrimination.
Also:
Sexist discrimination is wrong, and people who support and perpetrate sexist discrimination are arseholes who deserve to be shat on for it. It's really as simple as that.
I don't really agree with this, not when it comes to friends and family.
I agree that him being as popular and influential as he is means he should be as good of a person as he can be, but I think there is a line, and family is past it. There are very few people I would expect to cross that line even if it meant putting family at risk.
Honestly I think the real problem here is the toxic gaming/internet culture itself. Why is this even an issue in the first place, for example, and what the industry can do to prevent it in the future.
The issue with this is family can be used to justify any decisions then no matter how regressive
Can't we just agree on this on Era? Why is this even a fight? It's really disappointing. It's such a basic damn concept, especially given the reason the whole impetus behind why a lot of people came here in the first place, we should be advocating *for* women, not giving people a platform to justify them being discriminated against. Again, it's just disappointing and disheartening.
I hope we come out of this on the other side better for it after having the discussion, but there's still a lot of miles to go.
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Very few things are that black and white, and I suppose we just disagree here.
It's one thing if he didn't interact/promote female streamers at all (which he does, promote I mean), and it's another thing choosing not to play with them in a public environment.
Family first is something I believe in and I'm not going to fault someone for thinking the same thing.
Hell, I'm not even a fan of the guy, though I do respect all the work he's put into the streaming scene and charity works.
If only there was someone with a lot of clout and a huge fanbase who could, rather than ignoring this problem and making it worse, speak out against it, try and dissuade his impressionable young fans from participating in it, and otherwise set a good example by visibly having normal interactions with women..
If only..
Sure, and if only he could do that without putting his loved ones at risk.
I'd respect him more if he decided to try and help this issue and move the industry forward, but I'm not going to jump on the guy for choosing family over it.
Preventing discrimination requires self-reflection and empathy as a first step, which isn't easy. A lot of people who aren't affected directly don't make the effort to actually care but also can't reconcile the fact that would make them a "bad person", so they put the effort into burying it as a non-issue, ironically doing more damage than if they just straight-up admitted they don't care in the first place.
Nice recap of my feeling.
/Clap
Nah, this is laughable. This is the same exact excuse we get from the other boy's club culture shits, just video game instead of other activities. They always have this "this is to protect the girls from rumors/other men" excuse
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Yup,
Make one of the criteria for winning the award be:
"Fosters a positive community, and actively discourages toxic behaviour"
Or something similar be part of the criteria for winning the award. The award doesn't need ti die, but streamers with toxic attitudes and communities should be disqualified from winning.
https://www.tubefilter.com/2018/06/13/ninja-marshmello-win-fortnite-tournament/
https://www.dexerto.com/news/ninja-raises-incredible-amount-suicide-prevention-charity-stream/44406
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insert...-charity-before-it-even-started/#5328f8194231
https://apptrigger.com/2018/04/22/fortnite-ninja-charity-stream-record/
Ah, the go woke go broke argument
We're at a very special place in this thread
When 9 out of 10 gaming personalities are trash (Ninja included), i'd rather not know them. We should celebrate those who create meaningful content that brings something valuable to the table, not yelling manbabies pouring sponsored racist diarrhea all over their audiences comprised mostly of children and teenagers.
The bubble of removing trash from your life.
This whole "puts his lived ones at risk" argument is super weird to me.
How exactly does being seen interacting with a woman put his loved ones at risk?
I think this choice to not stream with female gamers on his channel is not as bad as people make it out to be. I get being disappointed in that decision. But he has to do right by his marriage and his own life. He shouldn't have to suffer to promote progress. He shouldn't have to make sacrifices just because he is a famous video game player. And his choice to not diminish his own life doesn't make him a bad person either. Should that be a part of whether he gets some symbolic and rather meaningless reward? Sure, why not. But I don't think it is disqualifying. He freaking blew up in a big way. I honestly don't even see the appeal myself, but I've still watched a few of his streams and been entertained.
Is this a joke? People will go (and have gone) to great lengths to harass others only peripherally involved in any situation.
Even a few minutes of showing Ninja with a female streamer would spawn dozens of ridiculous 'drama', meme and even deepfake porn videos and find ways to spam them to Ninja's wife.
There's a reason some celebrities request for their families to be kept out of the spotlight.