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Geoff, we need to have a serious talk about the "Content Creator" award.
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It is just "a guy ..." that has millions of views, a lot of publicity, reach, money and influence on his audience "... playing videogames". Don't be this thick.
resetera is probably the most progressive place to talk about video games on the entire internet, and people here are still trying so hard to justify excluding women from a stream just because they're women. just think about that. video game fandom is absolutely rotten.
I love the dual implications that A) Ninja is very important because he has a ton of followers and B) a sizeable enough portion of those followers are absolute catty morons who immediately speculate that he's sleeping with any woman who comes within three feet of him, and he's terrified of offending them.
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I personally think they should stick to giving awards to the games and drop all the real person shit. I would rather watch a show where they hand out awards to the actual developers instead of handing them out off camera so they can bring the best e-sports team or some shit up on stage.
My 9 and 6 year old loves Ninja and i take offense to the fact that you think they are self admitted trash.
No matter what you think about Ninja, to paint ALL of his audience with the one brush seems to undo everything your arguing for.
no he played on the soccer team and fucked my friends ex i never really talked to him
What?
Maybe be a proper parent and don't force your kid on the stream, and don't have your wife on the stream if they don't want to be public.
Nobody's saying "broadcast your entire life, out your family!", they're saying "don't be a weirdo, just treat women like people because that's what they are. If morons in chat start shit, tell 'em it's not cool."
I get that artists aren't always able to control who appreciates their work, but streaming is one of the more interactive and immediately-responsive mediums. Maybe use those millions to get a moderator.
Besides, being a huge weirdo about people saying you have chemistry with everyone you meet will only lead to more trouble, whereas just.. interacting with people on a normal, human level normalizes it.
Im just sad that NickEh30 isn't nominated for this category. He is one of the most jolly streamers and a real nice guy. His channel blew up since Fortnite from just a few thousands to now almost million subscribers.
Ninja is just a juggernaut and the face of gaming currently.
Ninja is just a juggernaut and the face of gaming currently.
Count me in the "streamers aren't creators" camp. Some are entertaining to watch, but the attachment to gaming is incidental. They're building a cult of personality.
The award should go away. If that means the show gets cancelled, that's fine. Games don't need an award show to be fun.
Hope you got a hot pad on your hands when handing out those hot takes.
He said that the size of the audience that is self-admitted trash is large. He did not say that everyone who watches Ninja is trash.
The award should go away. If that means the show gets cancelled, that's fine. Games don't need an award show to be fun.
Hope you got a hot pad on your hands when handing out those hot takes.
He said that the size of the audience that is self-admitted trash is large. He did not say that everyone who watches Ninja is trash.
He painted them that way, not me. He's the one who claims not to trust them enough to have a woman on stream with him.
You 100% were. You're just trying to roll it back now that the other guy was banned.
Many of us are well aware of this game you play and your history. Those are your words. You can scream to the high heavens you aren't doing something, but it's right there.
Is he streaming with women now? Then he isn't trying his best.
Mike Pence is the vice president of the United States.
He's a fucking moron for a multitude of reasons, including his stance on social interaction with women.
But hes not practicing discrimination and ultimately hes entitled to make that decision for the sake of his personal relationship.
That's not downplaying discrimination.
I'm on record in this very thread as denouncing discrimination and celebrating the fact that its outlawed in many contexts.
What I'm disputing is that this is an example of it.
Theres a difference and you're arguing in bad faith by pretending I'm saying something I'm not.
That literally was used as a scapegoat after the backlash, not from the original reasoning.
And let me qualify this by saying, even if it wasn't, there is 0 justification for discriminating and empowering sexism against women.
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I wish more people understood this. I know next to fucking nothing about Ninja but, at first glance, his reasoning for doing this obviously isn't coming from the point of maliciousness that people are claiming it is.
You need to understand maliciousness is not a prerequisite for discrimination
You're on record doing both, you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
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As far as Ninja specifically is concerned, it's not hard to find reasons he shouldn't be getting an award:
- past racist behavior (miss me with the Mel Gibson "heated moment" defense, that word doesn't "slip" unless it's used offline regularly)
- past sexist behavior (refusing to stream with women; the "spare my wife" excuse is lame. Morning shows nationwide frequently have mixed gender hosts, welcome to 2018)
- doesn't confront same behavior within his fanbase
- doesn't actually create original content
- past racist behavior (miss me with the Mel Gibson "heated moment" defense, that word doesn't "slip" unless it's used offline regularly)
- past sexist behavior (refusing to stream with women; the "spare my wife" excuse is lame. Morning shows nationwide frequently have mixed gender hosts, welcome to 2018)
- doesn't confront same behavior within his fanbase
- doesn't actually create original content
Miucin will just appear on stage to receive the award and everyone will be very confused for about three seconds.
Well he took streaming to the mainstream so he should still win.
I hope you know none of this is true. He has repeatedly said he's not talking about his subs he's talking about the tens of millions of views that Fortnite clickbait channels get on the daily. Those people aren't all "his community".
No I'm not. You're putting words into it.
It's a shitty situation period. Nobody is denying that.
The disagreement is whether Ninja as an individual in this context is practicing unreasonable prejudicial behaviour and in particular, is he doing it to the extent that he should be excluded from an award show.
But that's ok. We can disagree.
Absolutely spot on.
The worst thing that ever happened to gamers was when they won the "games are art" debate. Then, suddenly. everyone wanted to treat games like art with critique and analysis and questions about the messages that games send.
We had a full on cultural melt down over a woman in a plaid shirt pointing out that games have historically been pretty shitty to women in representation. And four years later it's still going on.
Be careful what you wish for, I guess...
Yup, we're talking about him discriminating against women in this scenario though which benita is arguing isn't discrimination.
"I'm putting words into it"
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You've tried to stake out this position multiple times without actually providing a justification.
In what possible universe is refusing to interact with someone due to their gender not discrimination?
Justification doesn't even enter into it. It doesn't matter what reason a racist has for refusing to hire a black person. It doesn't matter what reason a homophobe has for refusing to serve a gay person.
How the fuck can it not be discriminatory to refuse to interact with women professionally?
If you regularly go for dinners with your subordinate male colleagues and discuss business and network and as a result their careers benefit, but you refuse to do this with a female colleague purely because she's a woman, yes, that is discrimination.
Oh, I see. you're pretending that he's "just not playing games with them" as a work around for professional discrimination.
As if a million dollar business for this dude isn't "professional."
Here's the facts of the matter:
1. By refusing to play with female streamers he perpetuates the stereotype that women aren't "real" gamers and that their inclusion in gaming spaces is somehow illegitimate. For that reason alone his stance is fucking reprehensible.
2. By refusing to play with female streamers as the most popular streamer in the world he denies those women exposure and instead boosts the exposure of other male streamers at the expense of women. He is effectively denying women the chance to get a boost by playing with the most popular streamer in the world cuz he's a fucking hypocrite.
3. Toxic fans don't need a reason to go after his family. Refusing to play with women doesn't make him less likely to get screen sniped, hacked, doxed, or fucking swatted. It just increases the chances that someone will claim he's screwing another streamer. That's such a laughably flimsy excuse I'm actually surprised to see people taking it at face value.
And your "drinks after work" analogy is fucking absurd. Do you get millions of dollars for going out to drinks after work? Is going to drinks after work with someone likely to have an affect on their career? Is going out to drinks a spectator sport? No? Then I guess that's a pretty poor analogy don't you think?
One more reason Ninja's a fucking hypocrite:
He starred in a commercial about a girl dreaming of becoming a pro gamer and playing on the national stage with him. He took a boatload of money to portray a scenario that he would refuse to take part in. Hey kids, buy this phone so you can play Fortnight good enough to play with Ninja, but jk if you're a girl.
Dude's shit.
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Great post. Ninja is indefensible garbage and it's embarrassing that the game awards make the same mistakes year after year
This so hard. Anyone disputing this is honestly a discrimination denier.
Bullshit. This is such a warped viewpoint, ugh.
You can't compare a show in its' fifth year with the fucking Academy Awards. The Oscars gets tax breaks and has the support of a near 100 year-old industry behind it. Not to mention they have the luxury of being broadcast on traditional TV where the Oscars is sold to a network who then makes profit on ad breaks. The reason TGA needs to have ads and game reveals is because it simply wouldn't be funded otherwise. It has nothing to do with some dark agenda to maintain the status quo.
brutal
there is no "dark agenda". it's pretty clear to anyone with a working brain that game developers are trying their best to pander to angry men as their core demographic. they're not exactly trying to hide it.