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George Papadopoulos, foreign policy advisor for Trump campaign, secretly pleaded guilty
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The WH PressSec and the bowels of the internet feed off each other.
https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/925059535907237888
I love it. No collusion!
Er... wait... No Trump collusion!
No no, it's "NO COLLUSION!" ... the all caps makes it more true, imo.
The WH PressSec and the bowels of the internet feed off each other.
https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/925059535907237888
yeah a lowly volunteer. lol. Who just happened to be seated in on a national security meeting Trump, Sessions, and a handful of others a couple weeks after trying to set up direct meetings with Russians
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/715725628465680386
Trump will shift from "no collusion", to "so what?" mode. The Republican Congress would probably then prefer to hold the threat of impeachment over his head to force him to agree to all of their demands, than experience the humiliation of removing him. I think the US is stuck with him no matter what. It's not like he would ever resign.
I think people on the right are going to start abandoning ship soon. Not his fans and base of course but other politicians that dont want to go down with him. 2018 elections coming up and who wants to be associated as the politician that backed the guy under investigation.
I suspect that the GOP won't actually do anything until after midterms. They have to have proof that abandoning Trump is a better bet for their re-elections, than facing the ire of Trump fans
Edit: Well, well... FOX is on the case of these dastardly judges who dare to adjudicate these (non)crimes! There's an added bonus that one judge is related by marriage to the rights' favorite Cuck, Paul Ryan.
(Warning FOX link) http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/30/paul-manafort-judge-who-is-deborah-robinson.html
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wait... facebook messenger? couldnt find a more secure line than that?
This fuckers couldn't be more idiots. I mean, i bet you someone has printed screens of all their emails, because reasons.
But it's already amounting to something?
This is year one, and we've already got multiple indictments and the first guilty plea. People need to stop acting as if the fact that Trump wasn't impeached on January 21 means that he's untouchable.
Let me clarify, this will not end the Trump presidency. I'm not saying that as a defender of Trump either. I just don't think this is going to have the impact that folks think it will have. This Mueller investigation hasn't been cheap, and they need something to show for it. It won't be yhe big prize, however.
It's so bizarre to live in a world where Trump's campaign manager gets indicted for Conspiracy against the United States and another campaign staffer literally admits to colluding with a hostile foreign government and people think it might lead to nothing.
I may be wrong about this, but this -is- a plea bargain. You never plead guilty unless you get something out of it; why not force them to beat you at trial?
He flipped.
Am I reading these documents right? He's admitted to speaking with the Russian government about getting dirt on Clinton during the campaign?
Isn't yhat the ballgame? Trump's campaign benefitted from treason, start the impeachment proceedings?
I'll say this, my life won't change one bit if the Trump administration goes down or not. I won't be hanging on every headline praying for the worst.
Praying for the worst means that Trump comes through this unscathed? If so, I'll be praying for the best.
The "worst" in my view would be that Trump conspired with Putin himself to "hack" the election.
I can only account for my own thoughts, but what goes through my head is that regardless of the outcome, we all still lose. There seems to be a lot of excitement at the prospect of some very bad news.
We already lost, sticking our head in the sand isn't better. We get better by acknowledging the problem and removing it.
No one hacked anything. Best case scenario is Trump is removed from the White House as well as possible. He's more than just an embarrassment to the US, he's an embarrassment to human beings.
It's not treason they would be guilty of. It's conspiring to violate election laws by taking a "thing of value" from a foreign national to aide in an electoral campaign.
And from what I read, the "collusion" itself isn't necessarily illegal, it's what you are colluding to do that usually is.
Well as someone whose gonna get deported next year, I hope his entire administration goes to jail for the rest of heir lives soon. I think that's the only thing that's gonna allow me to stay here.
Not everyone agrees with the sentiment. I get it, you're embaressed by Trump, and will cheer on every effort to have him removed. But is that what's best for the US? Maybe it is. But I'm not going to claim I have the definitive answer on that subject. My personal feeling is that guilty of some wrong doing or not, his removal would do irreparable damage.
His presidency is doing real, ongoing irreparable damage. I'll take my chances with any hypothetical damage removing a deranged, bigoted, probable criminal, possible traitor from office might do.
Of course not everyone agrees with that sentiment. That's kind of the point of sitting on a message forum like this discussing things. That's kind of the reality that he's president.
His removal would probably do damage, but if he is guilty of these sorts of things then his non-removal would also do irreparable damage, especially if Russia knows that he's guilty.
I don't think anyone is hoping and praying that he colluded with Russia. I think people are hoping and praying that the truth is found out and if indeed he did then he is rightfully ousted.
What's best for the US should ultimately figuring out what the fuck happened. Whether that means Trump himself did it or not we now know some shit went down. Some real shit within the campaign.
You live a fortunate life compared to other Americans.
It goes beyond whatever feelings of embarrassment. Donald's presidency is a complete shit show. What kind of irreparable damage would his removal cause?
Gonna shoot straight.
This is the exact logic that let's people like Harvey Weinstein and other people who do horrible things get away with it.
"Sure what they did was bad, but think of all the problems it would create if we came forward! Best not to rock the boat."
"You were abused? Sorry, that must suck for you. But what's done is done. Do you really want to drag this out and possibly lose a legal case? Think of your family."
All the while, "Didn't affect me. My personal feelings is that guilty or not it's not worth the hassle."
Honest and hard/damaged > lies and comfort.
At this point there are really only two possibly assumptions of Trump.
Either he's the dumbest person in the world as almost everyone around him met with every possible Russian they could find at nearly any opportunity and he somehow had no clue.
Or he knew.
In either case I think him being removed is probably a good thing.
Either he's the dumbest person in the world as almost everyone around him met with every possible Russian they could find at nearly any opportunity and he somehow had no clue.
Or he knew.
In either case I think him being removed is probably a good thing.
Must be nice to live in a world where trump and his policies are not directly impacting you. Where his staying as President won't do as much damage as him being removed.
I'm sure the LGBT community, minorities, those who depend on Obamacare for healthcare, those who don't want to see us goto war with another country and one who has nukes, where the environment matters, etc. would love to be in your shoes to say they're not going to be worse if he stays on.
This is the only part of your statement I feel compelled to address. I'm hardly fortunate. I'm 29 years old and don't make enough money to pay the bills. I have no family to rely on, and have two children that depend on me. I did a lot of damage to my life in years past struggling with addiction. I blame no one for my hardships but myself. Tell me, who exactly am I more fortunate than? I guess Paul Manofort at the moment.
Edit: the heartburn this thread is causing me. I have to leave this thread. Genuinely sorry if I hurt anyone's sensibilities.
Unfortunately, most of those will stay the same if Pence becomes president.
Wish you the best as you try to improve your life. Well done overcoming addiction. Those are no small things to struggle with.
And, I would encourage you to see how many areas of your life still allow you to not worry about the day to day realities that the presidency is incurring on millions (and it will affect you too).
While it's your call to bow out, I would encourage you to recognize that throwing out your opinions and then bowing out when you get pushback is basically just derailing a conversation.
So when do the military assassi - I mean when will the people conducting this investigation "fall down some stairs"
Well there's the problem. They're using Skype and not Discord.
Well there's the problem. They're using Skype and not Discord.
I'm worried Trump is going to have an early morning temper tantrum and nuke North Korea.
I'm worried his nativist rhetoric becomes Death camps.
The day Donald Trump is ushered out of power is the first day I'll rest easy since this all began.
Whatever legal actions taken to expedite this process are welcome.
I will vote for raised taxes if they go to the Mueller investigation.
He's a guy incapable of consoling the grieving widow of a military member without it turning into LOOK AT ME scenario. If that doesn't embarrass everyone, they're too entrenched in their own partisanship to be of use anyway. And as I'm sure others have said, he's already doing irreparable harm. His removal would only improve things.