That may be the case but that doesn't mean trump staying in office won't hurt the groups I mentioned more than if he leaves. Pence wouldn't be in shape tiger anything done if trump is kicked out of office.
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George Papadopoulos, foreign policy advisor for Trump campaign, secretly pleaded guilty
- Thread starter Shard Shinjuku
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That may be the case but that doesn't mean trump staying in office won't hurt the groups I mentioned more than if he leaves. Pence wouldn't be in shape tiger anything done if trump is kicked out of office.
I honestly expect Pence is caught up in all this. He is the Vice President, heavily involved in the campaign, and lied about his knowledge of Flynn.
Don't expect a Pence presidency
Okay. So a Ryan presidency? Most still stays the same. Most of those points are core Republican points.
Yeah, it will be Ryan or Pelosi depending on the timeline this plays out and how 2018 goes.
Just saw on Fox where they presented the Papadopoulos story and quoted this part of the indictment.
BUT only the bit bolded, and presented it as if the campaign had rebuffed the gesture outright, which is not what the full quote implies.
BUT only the bit bolded, and presented it as if the campaign had rebuffed the gesture outright, which is not what the full quote implies.
yeah this particular bit, as small as it seems, proves intent to deceive.
Did you miss the phone call recording leak that has Paul Ryan on record about Trump taking Russian money?
There will be no Ryan Presidency
Fox News was always biased, but they've got way off the deep end after Trump became the nominee. It's truly astounding the lengths they've gone in the last year.
Okay. So you're expecting a situation where Republicans will impeach a president where no Republican will replace him to help enact their agenda?
With their new Messiah gone, republican voters will be immensely demoralized. Plus they hate Ryan at the same time. Ryan will be terrible policy wise, but even then he's limited in what he'll be able to accomplish and there will be an immense democratic wave afterwords.
Trump is uniquely toxic to the foundations of our democracy in a way that Pence and Ryan just aren't.
Dude tell me about it. Everytime I see more than 5 seconds of Fox news there's just this perpetuating echo chamber that's just deafening. @_@
Look further back.
I can't pinpoint exactly when, but I think someone at FoxNews has a little compromat of their own. Or did...
The network started selling Putins kind of strong man authoritarianism as a good. While judging Obama as peddling effete diplomacy.
It bred an audience receptive to Trump.
Yeah, their worship of Putin did come a bit earlier and it was fucking bizarre when it was happening so I guess the turning point may actually not be the nomination of Trump. That just highlights the turn.
After Ryan it'd be president pro tempore of the Senate, Orrin Hatch,
Honestly, I don't care, I just want people to be held accountable for what was done.
I remember this. They practically laid down the red carpet for a proto-fascist candidate and Trump rolled right in. "Moderate" and far right Republicans should be ashamed of themselves for helping to legitimize Fox News as a news organization. It really should be torn down and removed from Television outright.
yup, both confirming what was meant by George being a proactive cooperator.
Makes me wonder what he got people to say.
Damn... the movie about Stupid Watergate is going to be amazing. Part political thriller part Dumb and Dumber.
Damn... the movie about Stupid Watergate is going to be amazing. Part political thriller part Dumb and Dumber.
If Trump goes down because of this there is no way there will not be a new election. If Russia's involvement in the election is proven that's it.
I feel like the entire movie will have to have block letters at the bottom constantly flashing "YES, THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED" over and over.
At least they aren't using email for this stuff Hollywood.
Even comic book writers know that's a dumb idea.
Even comic book writers know that's a dumb idea.
If he goes down, there is absolutely nothing in our Constitution to make a new election take place. It will go down the line of succession and nothing more.
There's no real constitutional basis for that, though. They'll go through the line of succession and we'll be in a holding pattern until 2020.
And we're stuck with Gorsuch for the long haul, too...
Which showcases another problem with our Constitution. Right now, Democrats have no reason to push for impeachment, as the line of succession is just Republican after Republican forever. If the Democrats can get big wins in 2018 on the backs of "the President is a traitor" and they manage to retake the House or Senate, suddenly they're next in line behind Pence (and Ryan if they don't win the House), who might well be caught up in the investigation. If they blow their load now, you get a Republican in office through 2020 guaranteed (not to mention they don't have the votes, but if the evidence becomes so overwhelming that Congressional Republicans look to lose a bunch of seats, Republicans might be the ones to trigger impeachment proceedings just to come out ahead).
CNN confirmed that two of the campaign officials Papadopolous was updating with his Russian contact efforts were Manafort and Gates.
So, hmm.
Gates and Manafort facing decades in prison, I wonder if they might be inclined to tell the FBI who else in the campaign knew about these communications with Russia, and these "thousands" of emails damaging to Hillary that were offered? Two things that every single person connected to Trump has spent the last year swearing up and down (sometimes literally, under oath), were "fake news".
The fact that these are the three charged individuals announced today now makes a lot more sense.
So, hmm.
Gates and Manafort facing decades in prison, I wonder if they might be inclined to tell the FBI who else in the campaign knew about these communications with Russia, and these "thousands" of emails damaging to Hillary that were offered? Two things that every single person connected to Trump has spent the last year swearing up and down (sometimes literally, under oath), were "fake news".
The fact that these are the three charged individuals announced today now makes a lot more sense.
I was thinking...do we really want Trump gone? Wouldn't it be better to get rid of the support team and leave him there, considering his inability to get things done. What if the next person is more effective?
We want justice served. Actions need to have consequences or we will descend in to total chaos.
Was this thread from Seth Abramson posted yet? Good read and revealing as to how influential Papadapoulos will likely end up being in the indictments of others going forward.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/925115577190010880
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/925115577190010880
It's actually insane so much of the GOP was "never trump" and now they refuse to throw him under the bus.
If this was Hillary she would have been impeached months ago just for the shit trump is guilty of under the emoluments clause.
If this was Hillary she would have been impeached months ago just for the shit trump is guilty of under the emoluments clause.
Pence may or may not be the next person, depending upon if he gets taken down by Mueller, which at this point isn't as unlikely as it used to be. But even so, just taking Trump down depresses turnout and literally tears the GOP apart. Even if Mueller doesn't get Pence, the after-effects of all this happening ruins the GOP for the next 4 years, minimum. Pence could (maybe) get get more done, but every step of the way, Trump will hang over them like a cloud. Every single Republican has backed Trump, and even if some are backing away from him now (Corker, Flake), they still stood next to him as a show of unity to get his base, against the Evil Democrats.
I've always said a dark comedy film and a completely serious miniseries.
