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Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,547
Just you wait, DOA6 and SNK Heroines will outsell MK11 anytime now.
SNK Heroines feels like the ultimate expression of shitty right wing gamers. It's the bastard child of Smash Bros and traditional fighting games with all the depth and unique mechanics replaced by titties. Oh, and the fucking super mechanic from PlayStation Allstars Battle Royale.

It's a game designed for pervy children with poor attention spans.
 

sph3re

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
8,398
Just far-right projecting, pay it no mind

Far-right idiots think they're "being woke" by not selling Nike products

Then this shit happens

Basically this, except unironically

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brinstar

User requested ban
Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,262
I saw dudes on twitter using it in response to Catherine Fullbody's localization supposedly removing some of the transphobia which was really weird because that's not "woke" that's just like... basic human decency lol.
 

Kinsei

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
20,520
I saw dudes on twitter using it in response to Catherine Fullbody's localization supposedly removing some of the transphobia which was really weird because that's not "woke" that's just like... basic human decency lol.
At this point "Woke" basically means treating anyone other than straight white men with a modicum of respect.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,030
The ironic thing is that it's so selective. There's no mass outrage over Alita, Wonder Woman, Tomb Raider, etc. And I've never seen a single person criticize past films like Alien, Aliens, The Matrix, The Edge of Tomorrow, Underworld, Kill Bill, Atomic Blonde that have powerful women for whatever garbage reason is used for Captain Marvel. Nobody cares in those situations and yet it's a big deal in others.

My guess is that groups of people will take a dislike to one or two people in particular with a film and then try to find a reason to dislike it. For Captain Marvel, it's not about what they think the film is trying to say, some people just really hate Brie Larson and it's a look at that bitch eating crackers type of thing.
 

HStallion

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
62,262
You should ask them. Start a dialog. I know it is scary, but you might get a convo going with some if you aren't a dick out of the gate.

"People are people so why do we get along so awfully."

Is it worth it when we know what they're already going to say and it's by no means constructive or earnest? It's not like we don't know what their talking points are by this point as they're constantly shouting them from the digital roof tops for anyone who'll listen. They aren't exactly original and just parrot the same couple of platforms and regurgitate the same rhetoric so I'm not exactly sure what dialogue achieves at this point except giving anyone who'll listen a headache and make people sitting in the middle feel better about not giving a shit or doing anything in the first place.
 
Oct 26, 2017
7,960
South Carolina
I understand the need to push back against gamergate rhetoric, but bare-minimum milquetoast concessions like "you can play as women in our war fighting game" is not really "woke".

Disingenuous people like Gators or their handlers need the vast middle to be forced to take a side (after they've slandered basic human decency as "feminazi libcuck white genocide" or what have you).

They love the active application of No True Scotsman as it provides more grist for their greivance mill. Just be cautious.

Oh yeahhhh well there's active petitions to replace Brie from the MCU....

Let's see who wins yo.
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They like the consolation prize of "try to make her life miserable".
 

DorkLord54

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,465
Michigan
I also love it that they're doing this shit to Bloodlines 2 and Terminator, since the original VtMB was already deeply political, and, well, I'll let Arnie talk about Terminator:
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The latter is even funnier because chuds liked to use Sarah Connor as an example of 'unforced' diversity. But - as the prophesies foretold - when push came to shove:
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Also, watch this if you want a peek into the thought process of these people.


Jack's good people. Along with this and his more general content, he made a good rebuttal to MauLer, one of the people who profits from this and other mass nerd outrage. People here probably know him best either for his 5+ hr 'critique' of TLJ, or his 9 hr response to Hbomb's Dark Souls II vid (neither of which you should watch regardless of how you feel on the subject since they're boring, pedantic, tedious, rambly, etc):
 

xendless

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Jan 23, 2019
10,613
some people like to believe they have power when they don't, makes em feel better to think that the world stops spinning for them when they say so
some know how to profit from that feeling in others
 

kittens

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,237
the only reason this has any truth is because capitalism doesn't want to nurture or empower awareness or liberatory ideas
 

Reinhard

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,592
When "woke" (annoying jargon once it became widespread to memes) things fail, it isn't because it is progressive, it's always because it is a crap movie, game, etc or has massive flaws that has no relation to the fact there are minorities/women in it front and center. Battlefield V sold quite a bit of copies but overall was still a sales disappointment for EA because it released very incomplete in a competitive environment, missing the Battle Royale mode and more and it had one of the strangest release strategies ever with it being November 9, November 15, and November 20th... People are generally okay with say a 3 day head start for Deluxe editions (Tue vs Friday), but not 11 and 5 days..... Having such a staggered release schedule ruins the community feel and hype.
 

Deleted member 5535

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,656
As far as comics go, that's a bit true. From what I remember, many comics failed in such tentative during the years in changing characters identity and other things. I can't say for today since I don't read and don't look to sales anymore but in 2014 you had it with Marvel titles, for example.
 

demondance

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,808
SNK Heroines feels like the ultimate expression of shitty right wing gamers. It's the bastard child of Smash Bros and traditional fighting games with all the depth and unique mechanics replaced by titties. Oh, and the fucking super mechanic from PlayStation Allstars Battle Royale.

It's a game designed for pervy children with poor attention spans.

And they knew that when they made it. This stuff is basically a hack for guaranteeing a certain relatively small but consistent number of sales.

Open sexuality isn't the core of it, either. It's a particular set of tastes, a particular gaze, that's so ridiculous that very few people can stomach it. There is porn that's more broadly appealing than something like SNK Heroines.
 

Gespenst MKIV

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,116
It's hilarous when the pople that think like this then go and post stuff like Metal Gear, or Wolfenstein as examples of non political games. Wait until they lose their minds about the FFVII Remake having environmental themes
 

HaremKing

Banned
Dec 20, 2018
2,416
Fighting games are incredibly popular outside of america, mortal kombat is one of the biggest, most iconic series in the genre, i dunno how i could ever come as a surprise to anybody that MK11 is big.
MK11 is big. It's just not "second best selling game of the year" big. However OP has now edited the initial post to say that's it's the second best selling game in the US. That's correct per NPD, so no harm no foul.
 
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vestan

#REFANTAZIO SWEEP
Member
Dec 28, 2017
24,611
MK11 is big. It's just not "second best selling game of the year" big. However OP has now edited the initial post to say that's it's the second best selling game in the US. That's correct per NPD, so no harm no foul.
But it is, in the US at least. The point is that it did extremely well, and that stretches beyond the US, too. I don't know why you're so hung up on the fact that I forgot to put US in the OP.
 

Clefargle

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,120
Limburg
The people that make these types of things normally don't know much about the things they prattle on about incessantly
 

leburn98

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,637
Being "woke" doesn't matter if you make a great product. Ghostbusters (2016), the poster child of "Get Woke, Go Broke" failed at the most important thing when making a film - making a good film. When your brilliant new idea for rebooting a cherished franchise is to gender swap your lead characters, you failed.

In the context of video games, EA's Battlefield V inclusion of women was not the issue per se, but rather they included women in a conflict that was predominantly fought on the front lines by men. If the war depicted in the game was a modern conflict, a future conflict or heck even an alternate WWII scenario, nobody would have batted an eye. EA wanted to reap the benefits of being both a WWII game and being inclusive to women. Making a woman the focal point of their marketing, marketing of a WWII game, did not help their cause. Of course, this was just one of many issues with Battlefield V that lead it to fail to meet expectations. In my opinion, the biggest reason for it's failure was how incomplete it was on release.
 

Z-Beat

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
31,838
They threaten the companies' wallets because they know that's the primary thing a lot of places care about. If I had to guess, they think they're being phased out as games branch out to address a wider array of topics, many of which they don't care about because they aren't affected by them. It's stupid.
 

PSqueak

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,464
The latter is even funnier because chuds liked to use Sarah Connor as an example of 'unforced' diversity. But - as the prophesies foretold - when push came to shove:
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Coincidentally, whenever 90's manbabies complain about diversity in cartoons i point out if Hey Arnold! had come out today they would be foaming at the mouth about forced diversity.
 

Sean

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,591
Longview
The far-right dipshits have no real buying power and never did. It's sad that the gaming industry mistakenly kept trying to keep them in the loop instead of having a more forceful push to expand its audience like Disney has.

They're a bunch of loud, meaningless nobodies when it comes to where they can move the needle compared to actually including people.
 

DorkLord54

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,465
Michigan
Being "woke" doesn't matter if you make a great product. Ghostbusters (2016), the poster child of "Get Woke, Go Broke" failed at the most important thing when making a film - making a good film. When your brilliant new idea for rebooting a cherished franchise is to gender swap your lead characters, you failed.

In the context of video games, EA's Battlefield V inclusion of women was not the issue per se, but rather they included women in a conflict that was predominantly fought on the front lines by men. If the war depicted in the game was a modern conflict, a future conflict or heck even an alternate WWII scenario, nobody would have batted an eye. EA wanted to reap the benefits of being both a WWII game and being inclusive to women. Making a woman the focal point of their marketing, marketing of a WWII game, did not help their cause. Of course, this was just one of many issues with Battlefield V that lead it to fail to meet expectations. In my opinion, the biggest reason for it's failure was how incomplete it was on release.
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Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,165
Greater Vancouver
Because the female characters no longer have their breasts and ass hanging out their costumes. That and Jax's ending where he uses time travel to make it so slavery never happened.
I mean MKX is already where they made a drastic shift in their approach to female character design, and where they introduced their first gay character (albeit only alluded to in a line of dialogue).

These dumbfucks are 4 years late for their own outrage.
 

ket

Member
Jul 27, 2018
12,949
Being "woke" doesn't matter if you make a great product. Ghostbusters (2016), the poster child of "Get Woke, Go Broke" failed at the most important thing when making a film - making a good film. When your brilliant new idea for rebooting a cherished franchise is to gender swap your lead characters, you failed.

In the context of video games, EA's Battlefield V inclusion of women was not the issue per se, but rather they included women in a conflict that was predominantly fought on the front lines by men. If the war depicted in the game was a modern conflict, a future conflict or heck even an alternate WWII scenario, nobody would have batted an eye. EA wanted to reap the benefits of being both a WWII game and being inclusive to women. Making a woman the focal point of their marketing, marketing of a WWII game, did not help their cause. Of course, this was just one of many issues with Battlefield V that lead it to fail to meet expectations. In my opinion, the biggest reason for it's failure was how incomplete it was on release.

Why was Call of Duty WW2 a hit then?
 

Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,165
Greater Vancouver
Yes I am well aware of the women that served in WWII, but there is no denying that the majority of the battles of WWII, including many of those depicted in Battlefield V were fought by predominantly men.
Phew... thank goodness there are like 100 WW2 games that all feature exclusively men. Imagine the social and historical damage this game might do by featuring some women... /s
 

leburn98

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,637
Why was Call of Duty WW2 a hit then?
It was all about the marketing. Activision didn't put a woman on the cover of their WWII game. The only marketing material (that I recall) to feature women were a few shots of the customization in the multiplayer and maybe a few brief clips of the French resistance fighter from the campaign. If I'm not mistaken, she appeared in a stealth section of the game.
 

SolidSnakex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,350
I mean MKX is already where they made a drastic shift in their approach to female character design, and where they introduced their first gay character (albeit only alluded to in a line of dialogue).

These dumbfucks are 4 years late for their own outrage.

Yeah, but it got additional attention because an artist did an interview with Polygon where they spoke about it being one of the teams goals to dial it back. Plus the Skarlet change really made the mad. But Skarlet's MK9 design was so bad

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They actually turned her into a rather unique looking character in 11

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Lant_War

Classic Anus Game
The Fallen
Jul 14, 2018
23,543
"I can't watch half-naked underage-looking anime girls on my PS anymore? Sony hates Japan. Go woke, go broke Sony. Then Life is Strange is CP, too. Leave California....NOOOOOW!!!!1 PlayStation has to die."

It's sad, pathetic and hilarious at the same time. Like really, you have to laugh and shake your had at the same time watching those tweets. It's embarrassing. They clearly need to seek help as soon as possible.

Where the hell do this people come from, lmao.
 

Jroc

Banned
Jun 9, 2018
6,145
I think BFV is the only legit example of this. That initial reveal completely killed the hype compared to BF1.

It's kind of funny that no one cared about BF1 having black Germans and unsegregated armies, but women in uniform was a bridge too far.
 

DorkLord54

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,465
Michigan
It was all about the marketing. Activision didn't put a woman on the cover of their WWII game. The only marketing material (that I recall) to feature women were a few shots of the customization in the multiplayer and maybe a few brief clips of the French resistance fighter from the campaign. If I'm not mistaken, she appeared in a stealth section of the game.
Okay, but why does it matter? This isn't an academic paper on the war, it's a fictitious piece of entertainment that already exaggerates aspects of the war.

EDIT: I mean, was this kinda shit happening in WW1?
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Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,300
Yes I am well aware of the women that served in WWII, but there is no denying that the majority of the battles of WWII, including many of those depicted in Battlefield V were fought by predominantly men.
Surely if we're gonna adhere to hard realism we should look towards the series that never advertised itself as being about hard realism and we should also point out the fact that many weapons and equipment we have in BF games are experimental and don't see widespread use on that scale? Right? Hello?

Again not the point of my post. Women fought in WWII, let's tell those stories. Battlefield V certainly did not.
Remind me again which BF game literally is a history lesson?
 

Haze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,776
Detroit, MI
The trend is that consumers, especially young adults, like some kind of socially conscious stance from their brands to humanize them. These people are in a small yet vocal minority.
 

ket

Member
Jul 27, 2018
12,949
It was all about the marketing. Activision didn't put a woman on the cover of their WWII game. The only marketing material (that I recall) to feature women were a few shots of the customization in the multiplayer and maybe a few brief clips of the French resistance fighter from the campaign. If I'm not mistaken, she appeared in a stealth section of the game.

I remember ppl making a big fuss over the fact that women were playable in CoD WW2's multiplayer and yet that game sold very well (like over $1 billion in revenue).
 

leburn98

Member
Nov 1, 2017
1,637
Okay, but why does it matter? This isn't an academic paper on the war, it's a fictitious piece of entertainment that already exaggerates aspects of the war.
It shouldn't matter, but the backlash should be expected and EA didn't handle it well (not saying they were wrong). Activision was smart in how they marketed their game. EA was not.

It's a videogame that isn't aiming to be realistic. Who gives a shit.
Agreed, which is why I own it and continue to play it.
 

Haze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,776
Detroit, MI
It shouldn't matter, but the backlash should be expected and EA didn't handle it well (not saying they were wrong). Activision was smart in how they marketed their game. EA was not.


Agreed, which is why I own it and continue to play it.

So what is the point in being pedantic about which conflicts we should have women playable in?
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
49,983
It's hilarous when the pople that think like this then go and post stuff like Metal Gear, or Wolfenstein as examples of non political games. Wait until they lose their minds about the FFVII Remake having environmental themes
On the other hand, Neo-Nazis reacting to Wolfenstein as if it's a new and offensive thing was fun.
www.resetera.com

Vice: "Wolfenstein II Is The Video Game That's Pissing Off The Alt-Right"

What a bunch whiny little bitches.