Ghostwire director Ikumi Nakamura has developed quite the fan art following [see staff posts]

Stryda

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I fail to see the problem with the art and also where sexism or fetishism comes into play with any of this thread's topic. She was an enthusiastic character who clearly had fun presenting their game and loves the fanart of her. Don't even know how an innocent thread topic came to this
 

Nekrono

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She was very charming and brought a breath of fresh air to that god awful conference but I have to say this does seem a bit weird and creepy when you think about it. At least it has the potential or turning south real quick since it's the internet.
 

Sianos

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i assume people have already posted the Shannon Strucci "Parasocial Relationships" video, but i might as well do so just in case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLA-uFKjQ-g

it is possible to both enjoy individual fun creator-fan interactions and also recognize that, woah, there's some wider negative social context that people should be cognizant of
 

Gilver

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I genuinely feel this is Era expecting the worse from a situation that has no major negativity going on. Its like some people feel like they should be upset when nothing bad is actually going on.
 

PK Gaming

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Also i'm shocked people were mostly okay with Crossing Eden's "there's no such thing as nuance, everything surrounding Ikumi's hype is bad" posts when they were infamously known for being an ardent DSP defender who constantly tried to argue in favor of "nuance"

It's this unpleasant mix of hypocrisy and spite.
 

Nuva

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I genuinely feel this is Era expecting the worse from a situation that has no major negativity going on. Its like some people feel like they should be upset when nothing bad is actually going on.
At best its a passing fad. Remember shy dude at EA's conference? He stood out and I believe he got fanart.


 

Grimmjow

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Also i'm shocked people were mostly okay with Crossing Eden's "there's no such thing as nuance, everything surrounding Ikumi's hype is bad" posts when they were infamously known for being an ardent DSP defender who constantly tried to argue in favor of "nuance"

It's this unpleasant mix of hypocrisy and spite.
Y'all should be like me. Just him on ignore and be done with it. Ain't got the time nor patience to give that fool the time of day.
 

DFG

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At best its a passing fad. Remember shy dude at EA's conference? He stood out and I believe he got fanart.


The reason why he stood out was because he felt human and genuinely happy about his game. I thought he was adorable and i saw all the memes and video edits of his. Just like Ikumi felt different and real.
 

PK Gaming

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Y'all should be like me. Just him on ignore and be done with it. Ain't got the time nor patience to give that fool the time of day.
Ignoring him doesn't really fix the issue of him needlessly escalating threads. People constantly use him as a springboard to dump on ResetEra for being "mindlessly woke" as a whole, and it's such a bad look when this thread itself shows that's not the case.

Christ
 

Sianos

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Y'all should be like me. Just him on ignore and be done with it. Ain't got the time nor patience to give that fool the time of day.
so much for the marketplace of ideas!

jk

actually i agree, an important part of participating in the Online space is curating your content - and while it is important to expose yourself to differing views, if you find an individual person particularly inflammatory it is fine to not look at their content :)

glad we're all learning a bunch of valuable lessons that can be applied in other contexts
 

Zimmiwood

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Also i'm shocked people were mostly okay with Crossing Eden's "there's no such thing as nuance, everything surrounding Ikumi's hype is bad" posts when they were infamously known for being an ardent DSP defender who constantly tried to argue in favor of "nuance"

It's this unpleasant mix of hypocrisy and spite.
DSP as in DarkSydePhil???? that goon??
 

NightShift

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I love it. I didn't know much about her before but looking back at the work she did on TEW1, she honestly came up with most of the best stuff in that game. I hope she nails it as the director of Ghostwire because having a great female game director with that much stage presence would do a lot of good.
 

LazyLain

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Another Natalia Poklonskaya situation, eh?

I guess I can see why some might find such fanart weird/creepy, but I personally don't see the harm in it. At least the SFW art, anyway... when it veers into NSFW territory, it starts to become morally questionable.
 
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Kolibri

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Official Staff Communication
Please keep this conversation civil and tasteful. Nakamura herself is fine with the fanarts and enjoys them. This does not give you license to belittle other members expressing their concerns about sexism or the fetishization of Asian women, whether in the industry or in general. Please avoid mocking or sarcastic drive-by posts to this effect.

Moving forwards, any users that continue this behaviour may be subject to moderation. Thank you.
Genuine question: is it only okay because Nakamura herself retweeted them? Not mod-whining, but I am curious if that was the deciding factor.
Because even without her retweets, many (I believe most) of the people here who said she was cute/wholesome did so solely because of the way she happened to be presenting. Obviously I don't want to dismiss concerns about sexism and fetishization by any means, but for so many posters to jump on comments like these and immediately assuming the worst and accusing them of being sexist and/or racist is wrong. Even if she had not retweeted anything.
 

MonadL

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Exactly, if she was a black woman I doubt there would be much fascination. This is the unfortunate reality we live in. I thought Aisha Tyler did a great job when she presented for Ubisoft and she definitely was outgoing and had some adorable moments.
E3 is legitimately a poorer event without Aisha. For a couple of years she was the only thing worth a damn at Ubi's press conferences.
 

Sianos

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i think it's fine for people to point out the intersection between the general issue of parasocial relationships online and the general issue of the infantilization of Asian women

i still enjoy watching streamers despite recognizing that forming parasocial bonds with online performers can lead to uncomfortable situations! and so i can still enjoy this presentation by someone very cool while also recognizing some of the social context behind the more unpleasant reactions

and i have in general noticed that when the topic of Asian fetishization comes up online, people are very defensive and jump to making wild claims about people being against interracial relationships just for pointing out an uncomfortable dynamic in certain circles
 
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foxuzamaki

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I would probably have chosen another thread title since this one is originally associated to Overwatch and NSFW fanart, but there really isn't anything wrong with people appreciating Nakamura's awesomeness.

If you're preemptively calling creepy you're the one that's making things awkward tbh.
This is associated with splatoon, thats what started the meme
 

DeadeyeNull

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Her presentation legit brightened my day. I'm a lot less bummed about no Reggie at e3 after seeing her enthusiasm.
 

wwm0nkey

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Man I just wish I could enjoy a pure genuine moment but for some reason this has caused a shit storm on this site for whatever reason.
 

Sianos

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Man I just wish I could enjoy a pure genuine moment but for some reason this has caused a shit storm on this site for whatever reason.
you still can enjoy it! just like i still enjoy my favorite streamers even after we discuss how certain aspects of online culture encourage stalking
 

Nuva

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I'm kinda curious where people are finding her portfolio. I wanna see cool art.
 

Moist_Owlet

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All it takes is for someone to show some genuine enthusiasm instead of being a boring corporate suit. She was the only human in that conference. People were also excited about keanu for acting like a real person.
 

Sianos

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All it takes is for someone to show some genuine enthusiasm instead of being a boring corporate suit. She was the only human in that conference. People were also excited about keanu for acting like a real person.
devolver digital's conferences always manage to have it's figurative finger on the pulse of game industry trends as they happen

i really hope marketing execs realize that people are responding well to how GENUINE they are being and don't try to force these sort of moments to happen, like the devolver conference parodied
 

TickleMeElbow

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I'm Japanese and people in Japan draw cute little pictures of everyone from themselves to their neighbor's dog like that.

There's really nothing creepy about it, and I find it surprising that people find it creepy.

My avatar is creepier lol.