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Giant Bomb |OT 15| I'm mad at god. I curse him. I denounce him and all he has created.....and then I saw Shenmue 3.
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I actually really like Hollow Knight, but feel like I'm down on that game because I don't think it is one of the greatest games of all time like some people talk about it. Like I think it is on par with Guacamelee and Ori.
Hollow Knight's better than Guacamelee just by virtue of not having a bunch dated memes in the background.
Is it controversial to like Timespinner more than Ori? Because that's where I'm at.
In retrospect, everything about Ori feels manufactured. Like it's very much designed to be An Award-Winning Video Game, in a way that I find kinda offputting. The story is what gets me the most, being this toothless tale with a really weak, open-ended resolution (because An Award-Winning Video Game gets a sequel). The more it tried to impress me the less interested I got.
Timespinner, meanwhile, just felt very satisfying from beginning to end. I love everything about that game, but what was particularly impressive was how much the gameplay and story intertwined. It's so dang imaginative.
I think I'd like Ori more if it was just those escape sequences. That's like the one situation where everything in Ori comes together.
In retrospect, everything about Ori feels manufactured. Like it's very much designed to be An Award-Winning Video Game, in a way that I find kinda offputting. The story is what gets me the most, being this toothless tale with a really weak, open-ended resolution (because An Award-Winning Video Game gets a sequel). The more it tried to impress me the less interested I got.
Timespinner, meanwhile, just felt very satisfying from beginning to end. I love everything about that game, but what was particularly impressive was how much the gameplay and story intertwined. It's so dang imaginative.
I think I'd like Ori more if it was just those escape sequences. That's like the one situation where everything in Ori comes together.
It must be some kind of life affirming knowledge to have the ability to get your email picked on both podcasts.
Ori had enough stuff going for it to not make me feel like it was "The Artist" of Metroidvanias. The movement felt amazing, especially once you got the bounce powerup, and I thought the "make a checkpoint wherever you want by spending resources" was a great idea and I wish more games straight up stole that idea.
The story was pretty toothless, but I never got the impression that it was done to make it award-bait. It reminded me of all of those not-Disney animated movies that were coming out in the early 90s.
Combat was really lackluster, especially compared to Hollow Knight and Guacamelee, but Ori 2 already looks like it has better fights so fingers crossed.
Hollow Knight is a masterpiece in my mind, but I get why it doesn't land with some people, since it's doing a pretty specific thing with its formula. It always kind of annoyed me how weirdly dismissive Ben and Brad are about it, but GB isn't the place I go to for opinions on slow-burn games.
Er... I forgot you could attack in Ori. Always felt really unnatural to use IMO.
Liked what I played of Hollow Knight, but I'd have to be in a very specific mood to play it and I'm not there yet. It's got a really killer style that makes me just want to love it.
Liked what I played of Hollow Knight, but I'd have to be in a very specific mood to play it and I'm not there yet. It's got a really killer style that makes me just want to love it.
I didn't finish Ori but I never got how that tear-jerking intro connected to the rest of the game. It definitely has that Made for Awards feeling a bit.
Aye.
I just watched the first 5 minutes of BMB and what the fuck, Dan. This is a new level of over-complicated.
They need a Question Bucket so they can never pull the same one for both 'casts.
The Question Bucket solves all problems.
The Question Bucket solves all problems.
Now that it's Sony's Song of the Deep I'm sure it will find a large and lasting appreciation.
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If you wanted a true cleanse, you should have had some Haribo sugar free gummy bears, friend.
I bounced off of Yoku's Island Express super hard.
I caved at the end of Hollow Knight when the difficulty overwhelmed me, and I never went back to it.
I enjoyed Axiom Verge, but I felt cold about it at the end.
Guacamelee was fine, but I didn't love exploring the world.
The true uncrowned king is The Mummy Demastered.
The last Metroidvania I fell hard for was probably SteamWorld Dig 2. Now that's a fucking game.
Let me also recommend Salt and Sanctuary, which Austin and Patrick also brought up when Austin was raving about Remnant: From the Ashes on a recent Waypoint Radio.
They could also, you know, check the other podcast? Takes like three minutes to skip through the email section.
Of the people on the crew, Jeff seems to be the only one who cares and I think it's because he actually listens to the Beastcast.
I doubt the crew much cares, it's more just annoying for listeners. The crew is getting questions from it and most likely have different views and conversations anyways so I doubt they really care that much.
The Question Bucket is literally setting up a shared Google Doc, copying and pasting the question emails into it, and deleting or otherwise marking the question as read once it's been read. It's an easy, low-lift solution to make the listeners' experience better.
It also needs some dry ice or liquid nitrogen as well as dramatic music and camera angles every time they pick one.
I think Jeff and Vinny are equal in terms of rank. Jeff being head of editorial and Vinny of video. It's probably about some higher-up from CBSi.
(Haven't listened yet)
(Haven't listened yet)
The key is to not give even the slightest fuck about any narrative elements in your platform exploration games.
The game looked gorgeous and the platforming felt right.
Outer Wilds is top 5 all time and it is a purely narrative experience. Fuck outta here you don't know me.
I think it's meant to establish a motherly relationship from Naru to Ori, and her death to establish the threat the Spirit Tree's demise has on the forest. This has some relevance with regards to the villain and the ending.
Kuro (the owl) destroyed the Spirit Tree in a rage and aimed to prevent Ori from reviving it, since the light it shone looking for Ori is what inadvertently killed her children. When Naru is revived, she goes looking for Ori and finds them about to be killed by Kuro. When Kuro sees her desperately trying to protect Ori, she realises she can't bring herself to kill someone else's child. She then notices the fire spreading to her nest and revives the tree herself to stop it, dying in the process.
Not all of this is explicitly spelled out of course, but I think there were definitely meant to be parallels drawn between Naru and Kuro.
Not all of this is explicitly spelled out of course, but I think there were definitely meant to be parallels drawn between Naru and Kuro.
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Feel the same when I listen. I just go to here for my gaming news, yet I often find myself knowing more? lol
Airport guy looking at his passport: "Ha you're not in Kansas anymore."
Dan: "Shut the fuck up."
Dan: "Shut the fuck up."
"It's frustrating being a kid; you have so little control of your world. You have to trust that people are working in your best interest. You have such little agency and no personal experience to inform you. It's amazing to watch my kids try to solve problems, only using the toolset we are helping them build each day." -Vinny
It was a serious omission that that article didn't mention Vinny's oldest child, Dan Ryckert.
Listening to Dan talk about Ancestors left me completely confused, listening to Patrick talk about it told me it's a weird kind of art piece and definitely not for me. I guess I could have also got that from Dan, but I just wasn't listening at all.
Speaking of Metroidvanias, let's revisit what the expert, Jeremy "T-Frog" Parish, said are the best:
12. Shantae and the Pirate's Curse
11. Toki Tori 2
10. The Mummy Demastered
9. The Messenger
8. Iconoclasts
7. La-Mulana 2
6. Chasm
5. Yoku's Island Express
4. Guacamelee
3. Hollow Knight
2. SteamWorld Dig 2
1. Axiom Verge
You know what's missing from that list?
12. Shantae and the Pirate's Curse
11. Toki Tori 2
10. The Mummy Demastered
9. The Messenger
8. Iconoclasts
7. La-Mulana 2
6. Chasm
5. Yoku's Island Express
4. Guacamelee
3. Hollow Knight
2. SteamWorld Dig 2
1. Axiom Verge
You know what's missing from that list?
I for some reason never thought of Steamworld Dig as a metroidvania for some reason, but that would probably be my favorite on that list actually.
I don't really consider either of the games Metroidvanias. They have similar concepts but the execution is completely different IMO. I enjoy both games but what I get out of them is not the same kind of enjoyment I get from playing a metroid game.