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Giant Bomb |OT 17| I'd Like To See His Old Man Pecker
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This is funny because I was watching the QL with my partner and she turned to me and said "this is basically just a YA premise" and yeah. It's that but with Kojima Sauce. I think the premise and aesthetic is kinda cool but the leaden dialogue and clumsy metaphors kind of kill my interest.
fourlocko is freaking cancelled
no monkey ball came our on dreamcast
no monkey ball came our on dreamcast
I love Vinny during Bloodstained, he has the vibe of a man being shown video games for the first time and he's simultaneously intrigued/amused and done with it.
my partner is actually writing a book about weird ground ghosts and floating islands so it was weird seeing death stranding be....that
I blame Kojima for trying to hype up his game as a "new genre" and "you'll hate it until halfway through". If he had just said it was a 3rd person survival game with stealth elements and asynchronous multiplayer components I think the backlash would've been tempered.
Then move on we shall. People shouldn't send hate their way, doubly so towards Abby. For me, it's hard to see a game that finally got this stuff right to be criticized for it, but I should try and collect those thoughts and write something more expansive and less reactionary. I suppose I'd encourage others to do the same. By writing about how Disco got so much about tackling race and gender right, we make a much more convincing argument than responding to people who've already passed on the game.
Sure, but you gotta reduce your game to at least some elements that players recognize, or else you risk describing it with a flowery adjectives and non-game language that'll just come off as pretentious. Which is exactly what happened with Death Stranding.
This is making my fucking skin crawl.
Fuck you for showing me this, why would you do that.
This makes me legitimately angry lol
I don't even play those games or watch any Pokemon things, but now I am angry.
The same controversy with every Pokemon game: they removed stuff that people liked from the last game and people aren't sure if what they've added is worth it.
It's just that this time they removed 400+ Pokemon so it's a lot more noticeable.
When you make a post about something, yes, you are 'wading into' it.
And I didn't know that! I thought that Reddit post is all people were referring to. I'm sure there's been much more noxious pushback on Abby's statements than I've seen, so I guess it isn't surprising. Was that directed at people making personal attacks on Abby?
I meant that more in that i sat down to my desk for a second right after he said it on the podcast as I am listening to it and saw your post, and immediately stepping away as I am in the middle of a thing.
It was on the Beastcast today, he said it to "the fans of the game" who are being rude. They have been getting a bunch of personal attacks it sounds like.
It really is. Glad to see some level headed reviews popping up on other big sites like Kotaku and Polygon. When they brought it up last week I couldn't even tell what they were talking about. It was like they tried to play it while doing three other things at the same time. I get people not sharing the same opinions on something, and no one should be harassed for their take, but it just seemed like something they could have passed on bringing up.
Yeah, that stinks.
While I really don't think people should be making personal attacks on Abby for her statements, I think the idea (expressed in this thread, not by Vinny that I've seen) that it should be verboten to express disappointment with DE's reception at sites like GB is pretty silly. Sure, maybe it was a partly-formed opinion. No, it isn't indicate of how all of GB feels. Even so, games journalists and players are constantly bemoaning how little nuance or political engagement can be found in most games—largely justifiably so, I think! In light of that, it's frustrating to see a game that very much gets it right getting accused of bigotry (as at GB) or nihilism and pretension (as at Waypoint).
I think you nail it here. It can't be expected for GB to cover the game perfectly, but its hurtful to accuse a game of being its antithesis and that makes people emotional.
Again though I think the solution is to drop it and just continue writing about how much DE nails it. Seriously if you didn't check it out cause you thought it was a hurtful and problematic game, you should really check it out cause it's not that.
I think that's a great write up. I also don't think the weird ideas have to be explored in an YA beating you over the head with blatant over-explained metaphors kind of way.
After hearing about the premise I couldn't help but think of the 2001 Kiyoshi Kurosawa film Pulse. It deals with the idea that there's no room left in the afterlife so ghosts begin to bleed over into the living world, whilst the human characters fall victim to becoming totally isolated without having any genuine connections in their harrowing time due to the cultural effects of the way Japanese society developed and an increasing reliance on technology in our personal lives. It's an amazing horror film and explored the themes without treating the audience like children 20 years ago.
Then two decades later Kojima references the US/Brexit being big influences for DS whilst it seemingly has nothing to say about immigration, race, and xenophobia. Instead it just throws a bunch a sci-fi concepts together to tell a simple story of us needing to become closer.
This is something Abby and Dan need to work on for QLs imo. They both make snap judgements based on early gameplay and then write the game off and talk about it very dismissively. For Dan, it's tedium or anything he considers boring, and for Abby, it's anything she feels could be problematic.
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I respect it for being ahead of its time, but only the same way early novels like Roxana by Daniel Defoe are ahead of their time despite being basically unreadable these days.
I'm a little ways past and everything with that character is needlessly melodramatic.
Actually on a related note my biggest beef with the game by far is that Norman Reedus isn't very good. Whenever he raises his voice above a gruff mumble he just loses what little weight is carried by his frequent silence. He's not a leading man type. There's a reason they cast him as Vegeta in The Walking Dead.
Oh shit, you're right. I was thinking of the Gamecube game.
I guess the association with Sega made me think it was on the DC.
I might actually use one of these, even if I end up not liking the game.
Ah, Abby enjoys wrestling when shit breaks down and they just have to improv and that improv ends up with the the (evil) CEO of the company tearing both his hamstrings.
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