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GIBIZ - New study Shows Stadia Pricing Model at Odds with what Cloud Gaming Players Want
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Not gonna happen.
If these big companies have deals in place with Google or even have their own platforms, they aren't going to allow MS to disrupt that by giving a different model that shits all over their own platforms and deals.
Sorry, I'll fix that.
The door is open for Xbox, xCloud and Game Pass....
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PR aside I don't see any of them being successful without compelling content you can't get elsewhere aka exclusives.
I have no idea what the twenty internal teams at Xbox will be doing.
Makes sense to me. Streaming services at the moment are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and offer a convenience untenable by the mass market.
They surveyed Eurogamer readers? That isn't the audience.
The audience are people who wait 3 or 4 years for a games console to drop in price - the people who buy console games but find $399 too steep an entry cost. I'm not convinced that audience would know what Eurogamer is.
The audience are people who wait 3 or 4 years for a games console to drop in price - the people who buy console games but find $399 too steep an entry cost. I'm not convinced that audience would know what Eurogamer is.
Games pass will continue to do well since MS seem intent on including their first party games day 1 as well as older games.
But overall I think streaming platforms and options will be more niche then some people expect.
Just like Game Pass? Why would companies put games on a service when that could disrupt people buying those games traditionally?
I don't think it was an accident that Sony ended up with an all-you-can-eat sub model for PSNow after tinkering with rentals etc.
However, I think paying for games individually might work out better on streaming platforms where you can also get download rights. And individual purchases will probably be the only way to get comprehensive access to catalogs on streaming services.
However, I think paying for games individually might work out better on streaming platforms where you can also get download rights. And individual purchases will probably be the only way to get comprehensive access to catalogs on streaming services.
PS Now already does this and only has 700,000 subscribers so... That said, it's shit. It remains to be seen if Stadia and xCloud actually deliver a tolerable experience.
Also, Xbox Game Pass has truly spoiled people. It's already set the benchmark in terms of content people expect on a gaming subscription service, and they don't even have their first party studios in gear yet. And the catalogue is only going to get stronger when you consider some of the stuff that is coming to the service day one in the next year. Also unlike Stadia, Microsoft won't only be reliant on one platform of subscribers to fund content. They have console and PC in addition to xCloud.
Also, Xbox Game Pass has truly spoiled people. It's already set the benchmark in terms of content people expect on a gaming subscription service, and they don't even have their first party studios in gear yet. And the catalogue is only going to get stronger when you consider some of the stuff that is coming to the service day one in the next year. Also unlike Stadia, Microsoft won't only be reliant on one platform of subscribers to fund content. They have console and PC in addition to xCloud.
Eh, I think people are overhyping Game Pass when it comes to this. It's a good side-offering, but it's a million miles from being able to be the primary way people consume games and that is what Stadia wants to be. Game Pass has improved a good bit, but if you only had Game Pass you'd miss out on every big release every year. No Call of Duty. No FIFA/Madden/NBA2K. No AC. No Destiny. Even if Microsoft do improve their first party immeasurably, it's nowhere near replacing the need to actually buy games.
Ultimately, while I do think Stadia has its work cut out, those wanting a subscription service need to consider that it's either going to have the same flaw as above, or it's going to cost a lot, lot more.
Nice avatar. Anyways the issue with Stadia seems to be the $10 a month just for access. What Microsoft will likely do is have Game Pass and xCloud mixed together so that people don't see a just a fixed cost for entry but rather a bundled subscription. The way Uplay Plus works is you pay $15 a month then an addition Stadia cost for the 4k/60fps access.
You seem to be contradicting yourself trying to promote Stadia as the better option when in reality Microsoft is actually giving you options. Also why would it cost more on xCloud? Makes no sense. Microsoft could easily host new games on xCloud and sell them just like Google is.
Third parties only do older games or games that have stopped their initial release sales window, otherwise its only MS who has day 1 games.
Streaming services like stadia and comparable ones are just gonna be older games with subscription and new games being available for full price purchasing.
This idea some people seem to have that everything will be streamed and they will have access to everything without actually buying games just isn't going to happen.
What exactly is that meant to be, some kind of dig like I'm a MS hating fan boy?
I'm not discrediting gamepass, just this idea that Stadia or any other streaming platform is gonna be the defacto way people purchase and play their games.
People want Netflix, a.k.a Game Pass but with streaming.
If that's realistic or not, it is a matter for another day, but that's what they want.
If that's realistic or not, it is a matter for another day, but that's what they want.
I never said Xbox Game Pass could be the primary way people consume games.
xCloud is a combination of everything you'd find on an Xbox console, so via cloud streaming it allows you to both buy games and enjoy Xbox Game Pass. And enjoy those purchases natively on console too (and PC in some cases). The best of both worlds, meaning that xCloud can be the primary way people (who can tolerate streaming) consume games.
Even Netflix is only a side-offering. Indeed, Netflix was always designed to be a side-offering, a complimentary subscription. It was never designed or intended to replace your premium TV subscription.
Stadia aims at an audience that just barely exists:
Rich gamers with perfect uncapped internet connection that mostly want to play at home (because on the go internet connection is just not good enough, even with a 50$ 5g mobile flat) but don't want to buy a console for strange reasons.
Rich gamers with perfect uncapped internet connection that mostly want to play at home (because on the go internet connection is just not good enough, even with a 50$ 5g mobile flat) but don't want to buy a console for strange reasons.
Agreed. Obviously conventional gamers are only interested in new business models if it means cheaper games, because they're already being served by the current business model. It's more about the people that aren't.
Pretty much. I think a lot of people realize streaming isn't going to be as good as local gaming so there should be a reduction in costs. Charging people $10 a month and then the same price as a hard copy or a digital copy that can be downloaded doesn't really seem like that is what people wanted with streaming.
Netflix is hugely popular and they do not host new movies. I think this is what many wanted with streaming, some bundles. If Stadia can also offer back catalog games for a low bundled price then I think they will get greater success.
It seems a bit at odds yes. They want people with nice TV"s and good internet but don't want to invest in a decent computer. They also want to aim at those who want a convenient way to play, even more convenient than game consoles. No patches to download, just turn it on and ready to go.
Not a dig, just a chuckle. Anyways this is why I think Microsoft's approach iss the better one because they still offer those otions.
Stadia will need better ways to deliver content to players. Buying a 60 dollar game on a new service just isn't very tempting. Especially with Google's trackrecord.
So yes, they do need a subscription service. Maybe with tiers.
So yes, they do need a subscription service. Maybe with tiers.
And it devalues their art.
I wish people would be able to take a step back from the streaming model and recognize the dangers involved. Or even just the part that everyone hates already about how it isn't fun to have to subscribe to 10 different monthly services. Edit: In the world where this model is the dominant model. Having the option is fine, just not my preference.
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First they need to prove it works well and then adjust the price accordingly. So yes, tiers are likely coming.
Who is everybody that hates subscription models? I think it is you who needs to take a step back. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. It's called opening up the marketplace for those who may want it. What, you want to remove Netflix too because it ruins the art?
While not an exact comparison. Digital movies compared to Blu-ray's is a good example. You pay less there considering you're getting less after-all.
Right now project Stadia titles are offering you less, so it doesn't makes sense for them to be the same MSRP in my eyes.
Right now project Stadia titles are offering you less, so it doesn't makes sense for them to be the same MSRP in my eyes.
So they want PlayStation Now? Isn't that Netflix-esque streaming with no other fees?
That service just needs to get better at putting more recent games on it.
To be fair Google thinks they are offering you more. They are advertising it as better than and game console and on par with computers that costs hundreds if not thousands to invest in to get a 4k/60fps experience with instant access to play your games. Now the proof is in the pudding but that is what their marketing looks to be going after.
PS Now does not offer streaming for 4k 60fps games and they do not offer new titles. Does it even offer instant access with no patches? You're also talking about a company who refussed EA Access until rececently, so what are the chances they are as open as Google?
This is by no means a new complaint, read any of the stadia threads in the last year.
No, nobody is forcing me to do anything. Until the model takes over and becomes the dominant revenue source of game publishers. At that point I can only hope that dedicated hardware is a niche product and not totally gone from the market.
I buy games digitally, but I'm not paying full price for a game I can't play offline. This is why I think a sub model would be best for Stadia, and also why I think Xcloud could take off of distributed priority. Giving me the ability to play the games I own locally AND via the cloud would be a big selling point.
I've got a HBO and Netflix subscription, I've subscribed to Amazon Prime for a couple of months too. Currently my only gaming subscription is Game Pass Ultimate. I'm spending more money on gaming than I did before. I'm playing more games and I'm playing a more diverse set of games.
I just spend less money on Steam. I wouldn't mind if Google would add a subscription. I'll probably jump on and off those and keep my Game Pass sub as my primary one like I have Netflix now. I've subscribed to EA Access too for a while.
Console games offer you less in terms of ability to customize the experience when compared to PC games, or accessing online features without a subscription, and cost more.
It makes sense to view Stadia on that trajectory. A lower entry cost and a streamlining of the experience for a less 'hardcore' audience.
What he said is a rising issue that lots of people have be discussing around the internet, including this site. Don't really get whats lost to you, over the last year or two people have been complaining about the amount of streaming services there are.
Crazy. At some point there should be a service that lets you with one button activate and deactivate services.
You can hope for whatever you want but I have a huge issue with anyone telling me that nobody wants subscription models. Game Pass offers great value to me. Netflix offers great value to many. These things exists because people subscribe. OnLive came and gone, now PS Now has 700,000 subscribers. If there is a market they will go after it.
Here's a suggestion, don't use them then. I am not telling you to subscribe and I would appreciate you or anyone else not telling me what the impacts are if I choose to subscribe.
Well your old model sucks to be frank. We used to pay a monthly fee for all of our cable. Why am i paying for channels I don't watch? This way I can choose what I want and low and behold TV shows are so much better now than they used to be.
Unless I'm out of the loop I feel like the pricing model is going to stop Stadia from ever really getting off the ground. You have to pay a subscription to then buy games for the service...
Like, I get services evolve over time, but it seems like there is such a vast gap that needs to be overcome even before you get into literally any of the other potential issues or reservations people have for Stadia.
Like, I get services evolve over time, but it seems like there is such a vast gap that needs to be overcome even before you get into literally any of the other potential issues or reservations people have for Stadia.
As you yourself said, PSNow isn't really the same because they don't put same day/date games.
Until they do that, it won't be able to really compete.
Right now, my sense is that MS is going to use xCloud primarily as a value add for Game Pass Ultimate instead of as a service in and of itself, and that's a much better fit for the market and the inherent limitations of streaming tech than what Google is doing.
People have been complaining? On the internet? Surely not? Slippery slope?
I'm extremely lost at your response all the other poster and I was saying was that there are people who don't want every company having their own sub/ theres lots of services to sub to, that doesn't mean stadia or gamepass are bad. Don't know why you took it personal.
I get it, some don't like subscription models. Some do. My opinion is no more valid than yours but I'm not going to support any argument that tries to discourage anyone from subscribing. I think most of us are mature enough to spend our own money as we wish.
You don't need to pay a subscription for 1080p visuals, and people are already willing to pay half of a Stadia subscription to get access to the online features in games they've already paid for.
Dude I don't know where your head is, no one said your opinion was invalid or was trying to discourage anyone from subscribing.
over the last year or two people have been complaining about the amount of streaming services there are.
All i mean is I am shocked that people are complaining about something online, this is unheard of, lol.