'Girls Do Porn' Goes to Trial Over Allegations Women Were Tricked Into Videos [Up: Witness Testimonies in Threadmarks]

[hrœrekr]

They sign contracts.

But from what I've read, what they are told (vids will be sold to foreign markets and not uploaded online) and what they sign are different. In some cases they aren't given enough time to read the contract because the producers are hurrying it along and get annoyed if the girl wants to read every page.

It's a high pressure environment. Full grown Adults get talked into buying timeshares and cars they don't want and fall prey to scams every day from fast talkers that use effective high pressure tactics. Now imagine you're 18 with no money, nowhere to stay, no way home, in a room with a bunch of annoyed men telling you to sign a contract or else.

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The difference between what they are told and what they sign is entirely their fault, as unfortunate as it is. Seriously, at 18 you know what is a contract.
However, being pressured to sign a contract without reading and understanding all the terms is criminal. Wouldn't that be enough to invalidate the contract?

 

[Tobor]

I don't think it's that difficult of a concept: porn that's ethically produced, aka not abusing, coercing, threatening or anything to the actors, everything is consensual and there's no pressure to do something they aren't comfortable with.

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Dude, I get all that. It was just the phrasing and where my brain went. I thought I was being clear.

 

[Apath]

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[hodayathink]

i imagine blackambush and other sites will be seeing lawsuits their way soon considering some scenes on blackambush especially have had girls walk out/ told on film it wont be published online, they also have film scenes they haven't distributed on their site but distributed them under a different name because the models didnt agree to things.

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From what I know, BlackAmbush is actually one of the sites where the whole "it's just for private use" is just part of the performance.

What I've found generally works when trying to determine whether these sites are shady or not is that the more "one and done" performers a site has, the worse they are ethically. Women that have an enjoyable first shoot generally go on to shoot more scenes.

 

[hey it's that dog]

I want to give these gals the best possible tools to handle the coercive situation, social pressure and the implication of possibly making strange men angry. A 21 year old is far better able to handle this compared to an 18 year old. A 25 year old would be even more preferable based on the prefrontal cortex growth, but you know as well as I do that there's far too much resistance upgrading the legal age to 21, let alone 25.

I'd like to prevent things from happening in the first place, as well as punish the offenders if they do end up coercing the victims.

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You're right that 21 is better than 18, and it would hopefully significantly reduce the number of situations like this. And yeah, changing the age of majority would be no simple task.

 

[Casa]

For reference, here are a couple of pics of some of the women signing the contracts prior to filming:

As you can see, these aren't some thick stacks of dense paper. They had to have read over this thing, so I'm going to guess the producers falsified these contracts to get them to agree to it.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

This is way more common than people want to believe. Porn industry has huge problems and tons of unethical practices, it needs to be more heavily regulated. Everyone who watches porn should listen to a podcast called The Last Days of Autumn, it investigates the suicide of an up and coming young porn star and becomes much more about the level of manipulation and abuse rampant in the industry even for it's big stars. This includes things like filming testimonials from performers after a scene is shot to have evidence that everything is consensual, but they withhold the paycheck for the shoot until AFTER the performers say everything is OK. The obvious implied threat there is that you wont get paid unless you say everything was fine on tape. And that's happening to the big, well-known, award-winning performers. Now imagine what it's like if you are a no-name or new to the industry. It's fucked up.

 

[JesseEwiak]

There's so many real performers out there, why the hell would you lie to people? That's super scummy

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The fact these are 'normal' girls that you won't be able to see on half a dozen other site is part of the draw.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Wait, "Privately traded Porn" is a thing?

I'm confused. So they are down to do porn only if no one sees it or only of the private circle sees it? But if it goes public is bad?

 

[Deleted member 48897]

As you can see, these aren't some thick stacks of dense paper. They had to have read over this thing, so I'm going to guess the producers falsified these contracts to get them to agree to it.

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Yeah these contracts strike me as not particularly legit given everything else we're hearing.

 

[uzipukki]

Wait, "Privately traded Porn" is a thing?

I'm confused. So they are down to do porn only if no one sees it or only of the private circle sees it? But if it goes public is bad?

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Which would you agree to, if those were the only options presented to you?

 

[Deleted member 48897]

Wait, "Privately traded Porn" is a thing?

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Considering the sheer number of things like celebrity tapes or just couples filming themselves out there, this is probably the least shocking thing about the entire matter I'd say.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

Which would you agree to, if those were the only options presented to you?

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I would have left. I've showed up for job interviews and they offered something completely out of left field and im like yeah bro, no.


Was leaving not an option? Am I missing that? I feel like im missing something.

 

[HylianSeven]

I would have left. I've showed up for job interviews and they offered something completely out of left field and im like yeah bro, no.

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"Just leave" wasn't exactly an option for these women, as they said they would make them pay for their flight and hotel, and then they'd have no way to get back home from California.

 

[Deleted member 4367]

I would have left. I've showed up for job interviews and they offered something completely out of left field and im like yeah bro, no.

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Some are claiming they were stuck in LA with no way home if they said no. Coercion.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

"Just leave" wasn't exactly an option for these women, as they said they would make them pay for their flight and hotel, and then they'd have no way to get back home from California.

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Some are claiming they were stuck in LA with no way home if they said no. Coercion.

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Oh shit, i completely missed that part. That is fucked up. That's why edited my post. ( you guys are quick)

 

[Musubi]

So....its obviously not cool at all to exploit people like that but...really unsure of how these girls didnt realize the tapes would be all over the internet.

 

[HylianSeven]

So....its obviously not cool at all to exploit people like that but...really unsure of how these girls didnt realize the tapes would be all over the internet.

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I think some of them were still afraid of that before they actually did show up on the internet.

 

[Deleted member 16876]

So, they were okay with prostitution, but not porn? Maybe they shouldn't have showed up to a porn SHOOT and had sex ON CAMERA and signed the release forms.

I'm not hating on sex workers, I think it should be legalized if a person is willing, but their claim is absurd. You sign the contract, you willingly had sex on film, you took the payment, case closed.

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What the hell am I even reading?

Prostitution and Porn are very different things. Pornstars are acting, doesn't matter how they do it, at the end of the day it is acting on video under strict contracts.

Prostitutes are people who do service. Just like a massage but in this case it is sex.
Neither of these jobs are anything to ashamed off and they are not the same thing.

Kindly get the fuck out and learn to have empathy. They were tricked by some disgusting sons of bitches into doing porn.

 

[uzipukki]

I would have left. I've showed up for job interviews and they offered something completely out of left field and im like yeah bro, no.


Was leaving not an option? Am I missing that? I feel like im missing something.

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But if you wanted to do a porn and those two were your option? You're acting like these women shouldn't want to do a porn movie to be quite honest. Like lets forget the coercion for a moment. From your post it kinda read like "they got what they deserved, stupid women thinking it would only be for a select few to see".

 

[Deleted member 4346]

Oh wow. I thought Girls Do Porn was staged? It's suspicious that a lot of these girls never do a second scene in the industry, and many of them are visibly uncomfortable during scenes, but I guess I never thought about that. Oof. These allegations are pretty awful.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

So....its obviously not cool at all to exploit people like that but...really unsure of how these girls didnt realize the tapes would be all over the internet.

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They were told they wouldn't be. Naive? Yes, but they were still lied to. Sorry, but it's not OK to excuse a predatory porn company for lying to young women. They picked women between 18-22 because they are more likely to be naive and easily misled.

 

[skipgo]

Were people in the other thread bringing suits against their dates? Otherwise this comparison is less intelligent than you clearly think it is.

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The point is the double standard, women got judged and labeled mentally unstable and criminals over a very minor misdemeanor.
And when an actual crime is committed against them, people always want to see more proof and explanations even with 22 different people with the same allegation of being lied to.
People are even trying to find pictures of the alleged contracts as if that magically means there was no foul play in this case.

 

[Kalamoj]

For reference, here are a couple of pics of some of the women signing the contracts prior to filming:

As you can see, these aren't some thick stacks of dense paper. They had to have read over this thing, so I'm going to guess the producers falsified these contracts to get them to agree to it.

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Tbh, I don't think so. They probably never had to.
Just imagine, money on the table (a lot more than they usually got for any other work), while a nice guy constantly talking and putting pressure on them. I would be suprised if any of the girls even read the full document.

 

[Musubi]

They were told they wouldn't be. Naive? Yes, but they were still lied to. Sorry, but it's not OK to excuse a predatory porn company for lying to young women. They picked women between 18-22 because they are more likely to be naive and easily misled.

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I'm not remotely excusing what happened. Maybe it's a perspective that I cant relate with but If someone wanted to film me doing sex stuff that wasn't my S/O that my instant assumption would be that it would be everywhere on the internet

 

[Soapbox Killer]

But if you wanted to do a porn and those two were your option? You're acting like these women shouldn't want to do a porn movie to be quite honest. Like lets forget the coercion for a moment. From your post it kinda read like "they got what they deserved, stupid women thinking it would only be for a select few to see".

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Huh? I didnt think they showed up to do porn at all. I read the story like they showed up for a modeling gig and they changed it on them to do porn. They can do what they want its not up to me. It has nothing to do with them being stupid or women and there is nothing like that coming from my post. Fall back.


I did (admittedly) miss the part about them being stuck and put into that choice but I owned that already.

 

[Any Questions]

I've read half a dozen unconfirmed stories about them in the past, basically they set it up as a modeling shoot/nude modeling, fly the girl out to Los Angeles, and then tell them that it's actually porn.

If the girl refuses, they don't pay her and refuse to give her the return plane ticket/pay for a hotel. Most girls would be to embarrassed to call their family and tell them why they are stranded in LA. So they then coerce them by telling the girl it's for a private collector, no one will see it, ECT.

Here is an ama one of the supposed models did. There is no proof, but it lines up with what had come out about the company in the following years.

https://archive.fo/fV3Fv

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That poor girl. My heart goes out to her.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

I'm not remotely excusing what happened. Maybe it's a perspective that I cant relate with but If someone wanted to film me doing sex stuff that wasn't my S/O that my instant assumption would be that it would be everywhere on the internet

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Yeah that would be a safe assumption. Which is why I said that it was naive for them to believe it. Doesn't change the fact that they were taken advantage of. That's why they were targeting women this young, the likelihood of naivety is high (for both men and women of this age, obviously).

 

[subpar spatula]

Crush them, women. The signs were there shit was going sideways. I remember there being one where a woman started crying afterward after they followed her to the bathroom. I always thought it was part of the whole act but now it makes sense. Fuck these dudes. Take all their money and toss em in jail.

 

[thecouncil]

The point is the double standard, women got judged and labeled mentally unstable and criminals over a very minor misdemeanor.
And when an actual crime is committed against them, people always want to see more proof and explanations even with 22 different people with the same allegation of being lied to.
People are even trying to find pictures of the alleged contracts as if that magically means there was no foul play in this case.

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People just want to continue jacking off to these vids without the guilt. That's really what it comes down to, I'm betting. It's similar to why Trump can't be a racist because "I wouldn't vote for a racist."

 

[Uno Venova]

This doesn't really sound like a case they can win.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

So they actually made the concept of the thing real instead of set dressing? If so that's incredibly dumb and exploitative.

Edit: Just read some of the stories. Scratch that, this is straight up rape.

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Right? I always assumed these kinds of setups for porn were just for show, and everything was on the up and up otherwise. It's fucked up that they're legitimately doing this to people, and I hope they get taken down for it.

 

[Nos]

Here is an ama one of the supposed models did. There is no proof, but it lines up with what had come out about the company in the following years.

https://archive.fo/fV3Fv

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About that, I'm pretty sure reddit found proof she did porn before (was a cam girl), her story kinda fell apart after that.

 

[Spock]

I hope they take every penny from these shady fucks. They also totally need to raise that age limit as others mentioned. 18-22, while I get they're not kids the ground is still quite soft psychologically for most.

 

[pizoxuat]

Yo, just to spell it out, if you read this and continue to watch their videos you are literally getting off to real world exploitation and non-consensual porn. As opposed to the fake, fetishized exploitation and non-consensual porn that several other of you are admitting you like, which makes me feel gross personally, but ok.

 

[Tovarisc]

About that, I'm pretty sure reddit found proof she did porn before (was a cam girl), her story kinda fell apart after that.

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If you read that IAMA you would have seen her getting asked about that and her answering to it.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Some of you in this thread need to learn how to fucking act. And read.

 

[Deleted member 31817]

I've read half a dozen unconfirmed stories about them in the past, basically they set it up as a modeling shoot/nude modeling, fly the girl out to Los Angeles, and then tell them that it's actually porn.

If the girl refuses, they don't pay her and refuse to give her the return plane ticket/pay for a hotel. Most girls would be to embarrassed to call their family and tell them why they are stranded in LA. So they then coerce them by telling the girl it's for a private collector, no one will see it, ECT.

Here is an ama one of the supposed models did. There is no proof, but it lines up with what had come out about the company in the following years.

https://archive.fo/fV3Fv

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And people will still victim blame

 

[Deleted member 48897]

If you read that IAMA you would have seen her getting asked about that and her answering to it.

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I didn't see the response in question in the page archive but I guess I'm confused what makes it particularly relevant to that poster anyway

 

[SugarNoodles]

If your goal is to model and someone is trying to bait-and-switch porn on you, can't you just... you know, not do the porn?

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Can you not victim blame? Thanks.

 

[Puroresu_kid]

The girls I would say were niave but I have no doubt there would be coercion here and lies to convince them to do what they wanted.

 

[Nos]

If you read that IAMA you would have seen her getting asked about that and her answering to it.

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I cant seem to find the IAMA, what did she say?

 

[HylianSeven]

I didn't see the response in question in the page archive but I guess I'm confused what makes it particularly relevant to that poster anyway

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That was my thought too. It's like the thing about Projared's ex-wife when it came out that they tried a polyamorous relationship, lots of people suddenly jumped to Jared's defense saying "Well it was an open relationship, therefore it wasn't cheating! Her story is bullshit!" Conveniently ignoring the fact that it's possible to cheat in a polyamorous relationship...and the even bigger fact that Jared exchanged nudes with underage girls.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Legal or not, scummy if they are being told one thing and signing another thing.

 

[Deleted member 2226]

The point is the double standard, women got judged and labeled mentally unstable and criminals over a very minor misdemeanor.
And when an actual crime is committed against them, people always want to see more proof and explanations even with 22 different people with the same allegation of being lied to.
People are even trying to find pictures of the alleged contracts as if that magically means there was no foul play in this case.

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You want to bring up a double standard, go ahead and highlight the posters who were actually saying they were unstable criminals and are in here demanding high burdens of proof. Otherwise you're just combining two different opinions to feed your own self regard.

 

[Avitus]

Don't the same people run the exploited college girls website? Like it's right in the name.

 

[Nappuccino]

About that, I'm pretty sure reddit found proof she did porn before (was a cam girl), her story kinda fell apart after that.

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Who cares? Whether she did or not has no relation to their scummy behavior.

 

[Bigwombat]

I mean there is that weird one with Mia Malkova and her actual mom.

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What?!? That can't be real! Seriously there's no way cause that's really messed up. Plus illegal I'm sure

 

[Tapiozona]

I don't see how the defense of "but it was ripped on the interwebs not our fault" works when the defendants are uploading and hosting the videos on their official channel on the US' largest streaming site.

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I'm guessing the contracts, which they probably didn't read, and signed are pretty clear on the actual distribution.

 

[ascagnel]

The difference between what they are told and what they sign is entirely their fault, as unfortunate as it is. Seriously, at 18 you know what is a contract.

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If you're given terms for a contract in one manner (eg verbally), and then made to sign a contract that includes different terms, it's still coercion. It only becomes a matter of proving the verbal statements.