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Puroresu_kid

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
9,465
The fact the company was advertising modelling gigs and not porn shoots is enough damage in itself. Why the fuck are you lying straight off the bat and then you expect me to believe these girls were not coerced, lies too and pressured to sign a release form once they turned up?

Not buying it.
 

Deleted member 48897

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 22, 2018
13,623
The fact the company was advertising modelling gigs and not porn shoots is enough damage in itself. Why the fuck are you lying straight off the bat and then you expect me to believe these girls were not coerced, lies too and pressured to sign a release form once they turned up?

Not buying it.

Well, it's a he said vs. she said, and she said, and she said, and she said, and she said... kind of case, y'know? Who can tell who's actually telling the truth here?

(/s obv)
 

jml

Member
Mar 9, 2018
4,783
Don't the same people run the exploited college girls website? Like it's right in the name.

I don't think so. I've talked with someone who shot for both sites and asked her about her experience. She said she preferred her ExploitedCollegeGirls shoot because the GDP guys were immature. (fwiw she also said the GDP guys didn't coerce her into anything, but I'm sure that varies greatly from girl to girl)
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,846
The fact the company was advertising modelling gigs and not porn shoots is enough damage in itself. Why the fuck are you lying straight off the bat and then you expect me to believe these girls were not coerced, lies too and pressured to sign a release form once they turned up?

Not buying it.
Eh, that's not really surprising, even if you're on the up-and-up the current laws and climate around sex work means that euphemisms are pretty common. Doesn't mean they aren't lying their asses off to exploit women, but that they don't explicitly state "this is porn" is just how a lot of this stuff works in the US and is decoupled from the exploitation.
 

HylianSeven

Shin Megami TC - Community Resetter
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,028
Random dumb thing, but every time I keep seeing "GDP" in this thread, my first thought is "Gross Domestic Product", which I guess you could say what Girls Do Porn produce is a Gross Domestic Product in a different sense of the word "Gross"
 

CoolOff

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
3,437
What?!? That can't be real! Seriously there's no way cause that's really messed up. Plus illegal I'm sure

It's not lol, her mom isn't involved. She just shows up with Mia because she "drove her to the shoot", and she's awkwardly present while the shooting starts. Might be fake for all I know.
 

SugarNoodles

Member
Nov 3, 2017
8,625
Portland, OR
I'm not remotely excusing what happened. Maybe it's a perspective that I cant relate with but If someone wanted to film me doing sex stuff that wasn't my S/O that my instant assumption would be that it would be everywhere on the internet
General rule of thumb: don't expect yourself to be able to relate to the sexism that women go through. You don't need to understand it, you just need to respect it.
 

Kreed

The Negro Historian
Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,102
As you can see, these aren't some thick stacks of dense paper. They had to have read over this thing, so I'm going to guess the producers falsified these contracts to get them to agree to it.

According to the AMA Burly posted, the Women are being told the company is called "Begin Modeling"/the contracts are from that company and not "Girls Do Porn":

One day, I answered an ad for "beginmodeling.com" and after that, my life would never the same. From the minute Johnathan contacted me, I was lied to repeatedly, manipulated, and coerced into filming. A fake website, fake references from "past models", the entire premise is a lie.

Dre will offer to smoke with you, Johnathan will offer you a drink, before you know it, they've got cameras out and they're recording you. They read you lines.

"I am not under the influence and I consent to the filming.."

They're pulling out contracts. They don't give you time to read them. "Begin Modeling" is written at the top. Why? This isn't modeling at all! They give you a little script for your pre-interview. They tell you exactly what to say if you won't say what they want you to. It's all fake.

So I wouldn't be surprised if these contracts overall don't stand up well to a little "legal scrutiny".
 

Josh378

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,521
Wait... was one of the girls underage? If so, would that negate any contract they signed with them? I would think at that point you can sue them and it would stick in court for underage pornography.

I hope they win their cases. From what I've heard this has happened throughout the last couple of decades with not just one p*** company, but many others.
 

HotHamBoy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
16,423
The legal age to do porn should absolutely be 21.

You can't drink until your 21. Some states are raising the smoking age to 21.

But sure, 18 year olds have the proper maturity and judgement capabilities to consent to fuck on camera for (inevitably) world-wide distribution.

We all know the real reason why it's 18. This is a terrible toxic industry that preys on naivete and exploits "barely legal" people. It's 18 because old bastards want to beat off to people who look like highschoolers.
 

Kitten Mittens

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Dec 11, 2018
2,368
The legal age to do porn should absolutely be 21.

You can't drink until your 21. Some states are raising the smoking age to 21.

But sure, 18 year olds have the proper maturity and judgement capabilities to consent to fuck on camera for (inevitably) world-wide distribution.

We all know the real reason why it's 18.
Should also change the age that you can get drafted to murder other people abroad to 21.
 

Deleted member 11413

User requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
22,961
The fact the company was advertising modelling gigs and not porn shoots is enough damage in itself. Why the fuck are you lying straight off the bat and then you expect me to believe these girls were not coerced, lies too and pressured to sign a release form once they turned up?

Not buying it.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head. No reason to do any of this unless you are being scummy. Hence why I said porn industry needs more regulation, it should be extremely clear upfront what people are getting into.
 

Maximus

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,586
The legal age to do porn should absolutely be 21.

You can't drink until your 21. Some states are raising the smoking age to 21.

But sure, 18 year olds have the proper maturity and judgement capabilities to consent to fuck on camera for (inevitably) world-wide distribution.

We all know the real reason why it's 18. This is a terrible toxic industry that preys on naivete and exploits "barely legal" people. It's 18 because old bastards want to beat off to people who look like highschoolers.

The rest of the world essentially makes everything legal at 18-19, America is behind in that regard.

Someone can still be naive and exploited just as easily at 21 as 18 depending on their life experiences.

This isn't defending the exploitive measures this company took to post ads for models and changing it to porn.
 

hodayathink

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,051
Don't the same people run the exploited college girls website? Like it's right in the name.

They don't. The GDP people run basically this site and that's it (I think they tried to make a solo offshoot, but it didn't work out). The ECG people are entirely different. Also, Girls Do Porn is based in San Diego, and ECG is based in Arizona.

The legal age to do porn should absolutely be 21.

You can't drink until your 21. Some states are raising the smoking age to 21.

But sure, 18 year olds have the proper maturity and judgement capabilities to consent to fuck on camera for (inevitably) world-wide distribution.

We all know the real reason why it's 18. This is a terrible toxic industry that preys on naivete and exploits "barely legal" people. It's 18 because old bastards want to beat off to people who look like highschoolers.

The reason it's 18 is because people are legal adults at 18, and as an adult you're legally allowed to sign the contracts that allow you to shoot a porn scene. If we're gonna do this, I really think we should just raise the legal adult age to 21, full stop. I really don't like the idea of "You're an adult, but you're not actually allowed to say what you can and can't do with your body".
 

DustyVonErich

Member
Oct 31, 2017
2,862
I always thought "casting couch" pornos were made with actual porn actors or sex workers acting as unassuming models. Fucked up to find out they were actually being taken advantage of
During a YouTube interview, Lisa Ann said the casting couch stuff was real before Craigs list stopped allowing dudes to get women through them.

She said that it's stage now, because the women must go through agents. But they're told to not make themselves up, get manicures, and the like to make the scenario appear more believable.

I hope they removed the stuff that with genuinely duped women.
 

Ars Arcanum

alt account
Banned
Feb 3, 2019
290
Sucks. Once it's on the internet it shall remain there in perpetuity - I wanna say they all should have known better but who knows what went down behind the scenes.
 

Kitten Mittens

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Dec 11, 2018
2,368
I agree. I think the double standards of when you're an adult in the USA are ridiculous and transparent.
Much like these guys were coercing young women to do porn, the US does the same to 18 year olds to get them to kill/die for their country. But then tells them they can't drink until 3 years later. Fucked up.
 
OP
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jack_package_200
Oct 25, 2017
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Just find someone whose content you like on Manyvids or buy their private snap. Fuck this shitty company.

For reference, here are a couple of pics of some of the women signing the contracts prior to filming:
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As you can see, these aren't some thick stacks of dense paper. They had to have read over this thing, so I'm going to guess the producers falsified these contracts to get them to agree to it.
Yeah I am willing to guess those contracts are bullshit/deceptive.
 

hrœrekr

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
May 3, 2019
1,655
The legal age to do porn should absolutely be 21.

You can't drink until your 21. Some states are raising the smoking age to 21.

But sure, 18 year olds have the proper maturity and judgement capabilities to consent to fuck on camera for (inevitably) world-wide distribution.

We all know the real reason why it's 18. This is a terrible toxic industry that preys on naivete and exploits "barely legal" people. It's 18 because old bastards want to beat off to people who look like highschoolers.

State shouldn't be deciding what you can drink at 18 in the first place.
 

LegendofJoe

Member
Oct 28, 2017
12,079
Arkansas, USA
It's going to be an awkward conversation but when my daughter is old enough I will let her know that if she ever considers having sex on camera I will pay her NOT to do it. I'll get a part-time job if I have to, it isn't worth her being potential humiliated.
 

MilesQ

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,490
Mod Edit: Inappropriate joke image removed.

Well shit, I recognise this.

I honestly thought this was part of the act where they say it won't go on the internet. There's a crazy number of these fake taxi videos where the woman says it or a variant of it.
 
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GaimeGuy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,092
You absolutely are. You're blaming the victim which the single most common way to shame sex workers who speak out.

The negotiation was that they would have sex, film it, and it would be sold to private collectors. It was not in the contract that this shoot could and would end up on Tube sites with no course for removal. If it was understood where these videos would have ended up, many of these women likely wouldn't have agreed and GDP knew this.
The negotiation was that they'd be doing a modeling gig.


Once they were flown out to LA and in the buildings, they were told it was porn. GDP would then assure them it was for private collectors or part of the modeling gig. GDP would threaten to cancel their hotel reservations or airplane tickets to return home.

These girls have no idea what they're getting into, and once they're in an unfamiliar city and at the financial mercy of GDP for lodging and transportation expenses, that's when GDP would pull the rug out from under them.
 

Uno Venova

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,858
But if you wanted to do a porn and those two were your option? You're acting like these women shouldn't want to do a porn movie to be quite honest. Like lets forget the coercion for a moment. From your post it kinda read like "they got what they deserved, stupid women thinking it would only be for a select few to see".
I was under the impression they were told it was a modeling gig not porn.
 

EssCee

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,130
The legal age to do porn should absolutely be 21.

You can't drink until your 21. Some states are raising the smoking age to 21.

But sure, 18 year olds have the proper maturity and judgement capabilities to consent to fuck on camera for (inevitably) world-wide distribution.

We all know the real reason why it's 18. This is a terrible toxic industry that preys on naivete and exploits "barely legal" people. It's 18 because old bastards want to beat off to people who look like highschoolers.
I blame the people with anime avys
 

UltraMagnus

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
15,670
Sounds like coercion in this case from what I can tell.

That said I think an equally big problem is the "slut shaming" performers have to put up with. It's just sex, the people who insist on shaming anyone in real life for performing on camera are jerks.
 

mbpm

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,536
Well shit, I recognise this.

I honestly thought this was part of the act where they say it won't go on the internet. There's a crazy number of these fake taxi videos where the woman says it or a variant of it.
As far as I know those are fake. But what a thing to post
 

Deleted member 22750

Oct 28, 2017
13,267
Time to up the age to 21.

I mean when you have cameras pointed at you and you're getting naked you should just assume the worst. Whatever video you made is going to be searchable on the web. It's gonna be everywhere.

I hope they have proof tons and tons of proof that proves their case. That way these creeps can get what they deserve. Because I believe 18 is too young. They need protection because the predators are after them.
 
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Border

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Oct 25, 2017
14,859
I guess the trouble is -- what sort of damages are they really able to claim if they signed those contracts and willingly performed on camera?
 

Deleted member 22750

Oct 28, 2017
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I just read the complaint.

Sounds like these guys are definitely in trouble.
 

killerrin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,237
Toronto
Jesus that's bad. These women better win their case. Such a scummy move this company continuously pulled over on them.

They need to throw the full book at them.

Are there any ethical porn makers out there? I know the industry is rife with heinous shit.
Its very rare.

Usually you are looking at smaller companies or groups of people which employ a small set of models. They're usually found in fetish communities or specialize in a specific kind of video as they care more about erotica as a craft than the porn. Other than that, you're looking at the largest of the largest companies, the publically traded or culturally iconic ones which have something major to lose by having bad practices.

But for everything else. There is not a chance in hell and you can assume something scummy went into its creation.
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
17,070
Any porn sites that go out of their way to record contract signings or testimonials of good treatment are definitely doing abusive shit behind the scenes.
 

Cpt-GargameL

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Oct 27, 2017
7,024
This reminds me of the Miss Delaware Teen USA thing that came to light years ago with this very same company.
 

kalgore

Member
Oct 29, 2017
392
I don't think the age of the victims in this story is even relevant. They isolate the victims away from their support systems and use classic manipulation techniques to get them to agree to things they wouldn't ordinarily do. This exact scheme could easily work on people much older and age isn't really the reason it works. Reading the Reddit AMA made my skin crawl. I don't think the victims are going to win here but hopefully this gets enough national press that it ruins GDP.

I'd like to read stories from girls that were tricked into going to the shoot and bailed out when they released what was happening.
 
Dec 25, 2018
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Not surprising at all. Had a friend in my high school get into porn before I graduated. He bragged about doing it, but the school could not do anything about it because he was 18.

Not surprising it's an extremely corrupt business. It absolutely destroys their reputation.

My dad always told me to thoroughly read employment contracts, and that is exactly what I do. Scary shit like this happens.
 

Westbahnhof

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
10,104
Austria
I hope that company is ruined. Disgusting. But more than that, I hope the identity of the women is kept private, and the internet never finds out. Going to court must be scary as hell.

Any porn sites that go out of their way to record contract signings or testimonials of good treatment are definitely doing abusive shit behind the scenes.
Not unlikely, but I think there are probably some kink areas where you absolutely need one, right? Like, I've not looked into it, but I'd assume it's standard practice for bdsm and such?
 

Dingens

Circumventing ban with an alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,018
I always thought "casting couch" pornos were made with actual porn actors or sex workers acting as unassuming models. Fucked up to find out they were actually being taken advantage of

Wait... are you telling me that the thing everyone and their grandma knows to be fake is actually kinda real?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Wait... are you telling me that the thing everyone and their grandma knows to be fake is actually kinda real?
The actual casting couch thing used to be partially real based on what someone said about Lisa Ann talking about it in an interview. All casting couch type scenes for at least a decade have all been fake because they're actual porn stars.

I wouldn't really call what GDP did a casting couch style, its a faux "I wanted to just try porn once" sort of thing. They pretend they know what they're getting into.