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Giuliani to CNN: Mueller told Trump team he would not indict Trump

Nathan_Drake

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-indict-trump-giuliani-told-cnn-idUSKCN1IH32G

(Reuters) - Special Counsel Robert Mueller has told President Donald Trump's legal team he would follow Justice Department guidance that a president cannot be indicted, CNN reported, citing an interview with Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

"All they get to do is write a report," Giuliani said, according to the network. "They can't indict. At least they acknowledged that to us after some battling, they acknowledged that to us."
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Sorry if old. I had not seen this. Definitely from the Trump side but would be curious to see if confirmed or rejected by Mueller.
 
eclipze

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Mueller was never going to indict a sitting president. After impeachment or end of term? Sure.
 
Replicant

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It's probably true. They can indict a president who gets impeached or resigns though. Neither of which will happen.

Let's forget about anything happening to Trump. It's not going to happen. He's in the clear. The worst thing that will happen is Republicans force him out of 2020.
 
Metanoia Prime

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"Guidance that a President cannot be indicted?" The hell does that even mean. Afaik, there's no legal reason why he can't be indicted... so, indict the bastard.
 
Lo-Volt

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Wasn't President Nixon an unnamed co-conspirator? Because if that's what Mueller does at the end of his investigation, we'll all know who that is anyway.
 
Vas

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This was already known. Impeachment proceedings would always be the first step. Then indictment after being removed from office.
 
eclipze

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To be fair, Kenneth Starr came to his own conclusion that he could indict Clinton if the charges against warranted it. That never happened though, obviously.
 
Steel

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This was already theorized when Mueller had Trump as just a subject rather than a target. If he cannot indict the president, the president cannot be a target. Mueller can still suggest an indictment, though.

SaviourMK2 said:
Giuliani has no credibility. Unless an official from the Mueller team states otherwise. Fake news.
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Even if it is real news, it actually makes it worse for Trump technically because he was hiding behind the fact that he hadn't been made a target yet as proof of innocence.
 
skullmuffins

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Metanoia Prime said:
"Guidance that a President cannot be indicted?" The hell does that even mean. Afaik, there's no legal reason why he can't be indicted... so, indict the bastard.
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he's talking about the DOJ OLC long-standing opinion that a sitting president can't be indicted. It's not settled law by any means (it's never even been tested) but it's probably a safe bet that Mueller will follow it. (Actually I could see this challenged if Mueller finds something absolutely damning but Congress refuses to act, but more likely they'd go the unindicted co-conspirator route)
 
Mathieran

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Even if it's true it does remove trump from being guilty. But I suppose the GOP doesn't care whether or not that's the case as long as he can't be forcibly removed from office.
 
kevin1025

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When they announced it on CNN earlier, two things went through my mind:

Giuliani might be going rogue again.

And

He's basically letting it out that they have Trump on crimes but won't indict him.
 
MisterSnrub

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eclipze said:
Mueller was never going to indict a sitting president. After impeachment or term end? Sure.
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I agree. Dude was brazen enough to take down Enron, starting with the wives of the executives. But I doubt Mueller is going to indict a sitting president. For one, I think it's the wrong time to try - in this environment it's going to look hyper-partisan in the eyes of that key 35-40%, even if we know it's not. Two, there's no need. Write a report, lay it all out and use that to impeach him. Then indict him on the state crimes Pence cannot pardon, assuming he doesn't go down with the ship too (which he likely will).

The republicans are in more trouble than we likely know. Their emails were hacked, but never leaked.
 
LukeOP

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This would set a terrible precedent.

We have an elected King of the United States every 4 years if this is the course of events.
 
Steel

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LukeOP said:
This would set a terrible precedent.

We have an elected King of the United States every 4 years if this is the course of events.
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You're kinda misinterpreting what this means. What this means is that Mueller would only suggest to Congress that the president be indicted when he's finished, like watergate.
 
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NinjaScooter said:
You can't indict a President and his lawyer for the same crimes.
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Hex

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All of the people who keep fighting the good fight in their basements and telling themselves that Trump will be impeached or anything will happen to him after are absolutely adorable.
This is the reality that was created by your neighbors, your peers, even some of you.
You can't step off now the ride has just begun.
Policy by crooks written to protect crooks because they can never say when it will be their turn.
Lines are being drawn and they get more easy to see every day.

Edit: And those that think that it only means that he will not be touched until out of office.... if you knew you had that hanging over your head when you were finished how off the rails would you get?
 
eclipze

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a Master Ninja said:
Why can a sitting president not be indicted?
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It doesn't follow DOJ precedence. It hasn't been tested at the SC level, so constitutionally, we don't know. It's my opinion that unless the crimes are incredibly outrageous, such as there are literaly bodies or pictures of Trump handing Putin cash, then Mueller is going to go by the book and have Rosenstein direct Congress to start impeachment proceedings if that's where the investigation leads.
 
Jesse_and_the_rippers

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"All they get to do is write a report" LOL This is some elementary school "words can never hurt me" logic.

If the report has evidence of crimes committed, there will be further consequences.
 
plagiarize

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This news isn't a surprise right? I mean I thought we'd been hearing noises to this effect for months now... that Mueller wouldn't trigger a constitutional crisis and try to indict a sitting president.
 
plagiarize

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Jesse_and_the_rippers said:
"All they get to do is write a report" LOL This is some elementary school "words can never hurt me" logic.

If the report has evidence of crimes committed, there will be further consequences.
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The theory is, that the executive branch would try to get the report classified so that we don't find out about it. Not sure if that's a good idea.
 
Cochese

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plagiarize said:
The theory is, that the executive branch would try to get the report classified so that we don't find out about it. Not sure if that's a good idea.
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I believe by mandate the final reports get disseminated to all members of Congress. That shit would be in the Post in an hour, particularly if it is as bad as we all fear.
 
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