He's rightly getting roasted for implying a lot about how trans people identify and how more people have come out as lesbian as society has become more accepting.
Glenn Greenwald seemingly mad at people who identify as trans/bi and not lesbian. He also doesn't get math.
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He's rightly getting roasted for implying a lot about how trans people identify and how more people have come out as lesbian as society has become more accepting.
I'm sadly very aware. Many non bi-people don't accept it as a thing.
I kinda wonder if this is just going to be a thing going forward now that it's culturally accepted you can't be overtly hateful and violent to gay folks, so just make sure you couch it with a thin veneer of plausible deniability and jokes that "you don't mean that way."
You can't openly use slurs towards gay people anymore, but society's starting to twig onto the idea that there's more than just them, so now they've got a new target. Gay people are fine, some of my best friends are gay, but ugh why do they have make up all these labels when they should just say they're gay.
Anyway I don't know who this guy is but he sounds like a clown, and not even a famous enough clown to know him by name for saying stupid bullshit.
You can't openly use slurs towards gay people anymore, but society's starting to twig onto the idea that there's more than just them, so now they've got a new target. Gay people are fine, some of my best friends are gay, but ugh why do they have make up all these labels when they should just say they're gay.
Anyway I don't know who this guy is but he sounds like a clown, and not even a famous enough clown to know him by name for saying stupid bullshit.
Oh, so he's selling out the rest of us to curry favour. Makes sense.
He co-founded the Intercept, which does do some good reporting, and he was the first to report on the Snowden leaks. But yeah, he has been saying dumb shit for a while now and should be ignored.
not really surprising, sadly. Glenn has been on a downward/clownward spiral for years
not sure what you mean, since the target of this is bi people and trans people, not gay people
I don't know how this woman he's referencing became a "famed" lesbian but she's going to have to offer actual evidence to support her claim.
Yeah I know. I'm talking about the idea of the straight majority treating the gay community as model minorities as a way to further attack the rest of the Queer community.
Like, "oh you're not bi, you can't like men and women, just say you're gay." That's something we put up with.
That's Katie Herzog, a literal TERF who keeps moaning about how butch lesbians are supposedly being ''tricked'' into identifying as trans men.
i didnt know who she was either so i googled it
she was "cancelled" for writing some article once (i did not look up what it was but i assume its dumb)
and now hosts a podcast about cancel culture... so you know
also for the record she just said her wife is the rarest or something. bi and in a gay relationship (followed by something about her now making a new flag which... i guess is a joke? i dunno seemed dumb to me)
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Basically every single debate of the past four years has been perfectly calibrated to short circuit all of Greenwald's ideological priors. His anti-imperialism has had him freaking out for years about how skepticism around Trump's Russian connections and fondness for Putin will lead to a new Cold War, and now his free-speech absolutism has him flirting with the gender critical crowd.
Lmao of course Greenwald sites Jesse Singal's best friend and podcast co-host to shit on trans people and imply we're erasing lesbians
I don't loathe him as much as some here do but then I was never under any illusions about who he is.
He was always a libertarian, never a liberal. He represents all the selfishness that entails.
He & his Husband live their life together under constant and serious threat, let there be no doubt about that, but he has always displayed the solipsism that is threaded through the meretricious philosophy that Randbots promote.
He was always a libertarian, never a liberal. He represents all the selfishness that entails.
He & his Husband live their life together under constant and serious threat, let there be no doubt about that, but he has always displayed the solipsism that is threaded through the meretricious philosophy that Randbots promote.
Or he was always a right wing libertarian who always had these views. Its just that it was harder to see when Obama was in office.
"Oh some people got angry at a person for saying that trans people are corrupting lesbians into being men? Guess I got to voice about how trans people are totally corrupting lesbians into being men." That doesnt happen, all that means is that Glenn Greenwald cares about gay rights because his gay himself, while trans acceptance, and bisexuals acceptance can go straight out the window.
Right? I'm pansexual myself and I'm sick of the idea that I "just haven't chosen yet". Like how he completely dodges the fact that we have a culture & society that overvalues heterosexuality & demonizes homosexuality & same sex coupling (there are still places in this country that highly discriminate against anyone LGBTQ either covertly or overtly). Glenn maybe in such an all-encompassing culture bi/pan people who establish long term heterosexual relationships might have been incentivized through lifelong indoctrination to make that choice in the end as the path of least resistance and it's not the gross implication that they only made that choice because they were constantly lying about their identity.
I don't understand what people with this mentality think I gain by saying I'm pansexual. Particularly if you're queer yourself you'd take care not to fall into the bigot trap of saying that people claim to be queer as some sort of fad or because it's "popular" or trans people choose to be so because they're somehow "mentally unsound".
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Eh, it's hard to look at how he behaved in the Bush admin, or how much he actually disdained Obama, or how much he promoted early AOC and think he's a right-winger. He's like medicare for all and climate justice and end racism and whatever else, but also he'd throw anyone of those under the bus in a heartbeat if it closed a US overseas base or bankrupted a Wall Street firm, which leaves him really vulnerable to being co-opted into this left–right "populism" fantasy that has him out sucking up to Josh Hawley and Tucker Carlson and shit.
And then this transphobic stuff, yeah, comes from him being an ultra-libertarian on speech and censorship issues. He's spent the last day or two complaining that Congressional Democrats are trying to intimidate Fox News into silence, too.
So his not a right wingers his just an insanely stupid leftist who constantly feels the need to suck up to people who worship the military in an attempt to close military bases, and feels the constant need to diminish other LGBT because his just really into free speech.
How he promoted Ron Paul when was running for President or how he throw AOC under the bus because she called out Ted Cruz during the Gamestop saga, or how he never defend the Squad when he goes to Tucker Carlson show.
I'm in it for the massive interpersonal benefits it grants. My Christian mother after years of telling me how she'll be sickened if I never became pansexual, you know after reading all the Bible passages & hearing all the sermons about how only pansexual people get to go to heaven, was absolutely thrilled and overjoyed when I came out to her. It's so worth it to lie about being pansexual for the sake of enriching my relationship with my mother & her faith so much.
It's depressing how prominent Bi erasure still is. I saw this attitude way too often in the 90s and even into the 2010s. It's weirdly mainstream, even from other queer creators. Even shit that tried to present itself as queer positive like Glee took shots at Bi people. It has never not been gross.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/12/yelling-racist-as-argument-in.html
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/gop-fights-itself-on-illegal.html
This was Greenwald under the Bush administration.
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He's not really anti-imperialist, just anti-American government (mostly Democrats).
This is the same dude who made his career defending Nazis' rights to free speech and yet constantly complains about cancel culture.
It's weird how it seems to be getting worse. Anecdotal evidence and all that, but I have several gay and trans friends who actively mock/discriminate against anyone who identifies as Bi. I would say 10 or so years ago they were much more accepting of it and now it's all, "Oh? Bi? Watch how hard I can roll my eyes." I honestly don't understand it.
I like to think he's having a breakdown like in Dr. Strangelove.
"We must protect our lesbians, and our precious bodily fluids."
"We must protect our lesbians, and our precious bodily fluids."
The heel turn from Greenwald has been a sight to behold. It seems driven by a myopic interest in foreign policy and desire to make some sort of horseshoe coalition with the white nationalists on the right.
It will never not be disappointing how prevalent this attitude is among gay men (almost always white).
Moron.
My wife is bi (was with and married to a woman for 8 years), she and I are happily married after we both left awful first marriages.
I wonder if that hurts his feelings 🤔.
My wife is bi (was with and married to a woman for 8 years), she and I are happily married after we both left awful first marriages.
I wonder if that hurts his feelings 🤔.
His tantrum when he left the Intercept really was something for pretty understandable editorial concerns
He's unreadable. I've never read him much, so I don't know if he's always been like this. I also don't know what it is about Substack that makes them (not just Greenwald) think every piece has to be so GD long. You add that to the screed quality of Greenwald's adjective laden writing, and it's a completely disaster.
As a bi boi...... We are always attacked it's so frequent i can't even
I just spit my drink out. This is the only way to reply to this kind of nonsense from Greenwald or anyone else. Just let people be whoever the fuck they want to be and stop giving a fuck about who they're attracted to.
I read through his comments in the Twitter thread, but I don't understand the reaction that he's "mad" at bi / trans people. Is there some toxic narrative he generally tries to push, which his Twitter thread ties into? (Note: I don't know much about this guy / his issues, so if my question is easily answerable via googling just let me know.)
One of my friends was recently venting to me that whenever he's dating a guy some people make backhand comments like just commit to being gay but then when he's dating a girl someone would privately ask him if he's really just straight but confused.
It sounds maddening honestly, it's like he can't win either way.