I mean I'm not gonna stop visiting Youtube, searching with google, or using GMail. Gaming isn't some sacred space.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Google entering the Home Console race is not a good thing for the Consumers, the Developers, or the Industry and Art of Video Games (ethical issues)
- Thread starter Deleted member 135
- Start date
I didn't bring up Apple, I responded to a post that brought up Apple.
They do, they can be installed through the regular Chrome Web Store.
You nonetheless defending them like they were morally superior.
I feel Apple is morally superior to Google. Note: not morally clean. But better than Google.
Hence why you don't stand on the moral ground if you want to express a choice. Because otherwise... well there's a lot of thing you'll need to check in priority.
Best part is that the next game after that actually had dedicated servers, so it worked.
You know that "console war bullshit" you claimed? Yeah, you're not helping.
i really disagree.
they definitely do less data tracking (which i'm generally ambivalent about) but theyre anti consumer, anti competitive, greedy, they also haven't taken down the absher app, and foxconn alone is a bigger issue than everything in the op.
I don't trust Google one bit, and will avoid whatever they are doing. I don't have a Google account, don't use their Search (go DuckDuckGo), don't use Android (I did buy an Android Xperia X phone but removed Android and installed Sailfish OS on it), use HERE Maps and so on. Same with Apple, don't use their stuff either.
Pretty sure people said the same thing when Microsoft was bringing out XBox. None of this moralizing is going to matter if what they put out there is the bees knees; gamers will go to them, and the industry will change.
I really don't care what a company does outside of a business i care about as a customer. Especially when you put 'ethics' to light here. If they provide a better experience and the price is good then sure its a good thing! Also something thats obvious.. it'll provide more 'competition' to its rivals such as Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo..and thats only good for you people right? As for trust issues... i already use quite a few of their services and they haven't let me down as a user of theirs...so i'll definitely give them the benefit of the doubt.
One day you will learn that responding to people ≠ console war bullshit
I didn't bring up Apple. Others did. I've been responding to them. My original posts were all about Google.
This is like a shot for shot remake of people freaking out about Microsoft entering the console market
Google's competition is no joke. They've been here for decades and established.
You are being too naive if you think google is more evil than Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.
At least Google embraces open source software.
At least Google embraces open source software.
I don't know if they're anti-consumer any more than any other company. They have the best customer support of any major electronics company. Their products are expensive in and of themselves, yes, but that's not "anti consumer".
They are absolutely anti competitive, and they need to be taken down a notch. Hopefully Spotify's suit in Europe comes to bite them in the ass.
Greedy, every single company is greedy. No company isn't.
Foxconn is a big fucking issue, and far be it from me to trivialize it. But every company is using Foxconn. I can't use "uses Foxconn" as a point of differentiation.
What's the Absher app?
I don't know, OP. Competition is always a good thing, or so I hear around here a lot. Maybe now Sony, MS and Nintendo will actually use their money to develop new things.
One day you might learn that pointing out inconsistencies is not console war bullshit.
Didn't Cook say Apple is looking into taking it down? And Google said "We won't take it down?"
You know this post literally doesn't make any sense, right?
I'm sorry for missing your post (got caught up in the heated arguments lol).
I have heard a lot about Brave, I will make sure to look into that thank you!
Why ? If anything, they're the only one that seems to have the cash to give the console market a shakeup ? Then again, if we're talking about a moral ground well yes, I agree... but then again, none of the big 3 stands well there.
OP
OP
Welcome aboard Google! I like your stuff (Youtube, Gmail, Chrome, Google search, Google docs, Google Drive etc.) so I'm looking forward to what you guys will bring to the gaming market.
More options and more competition is great imo. If their product sucks then it will fade away but if it's good then it's certain to find some customers. I don't feel the negativity.
More options and more competition is great imo. If their product sucks then it will fade away but if it's good then it's certain to find some customers. I don't feel the negativity.
Sure, but at the same time I wish they'd put more money into making sure the open-source backbone of their services was sustainably maintained. They're hardly the only one that uses it, mind, but they're certainly one of the largest.
Yeah, the thing that gets me is that the mobile play landscape has been so fully ravaged by a race to the bottom that even $5-15 is considered too much to pay for a game on a phone now. Everything is long-term services and microtransactions. The idea that Google trying to take on the "big" console market will work out in the best interests of developers or consumers doesn't really match up with the way the other markets they have a stake in have gone.
Agreed.
I've ditched google completely outside of gmail, and that's only a matter of time. They're not to be trusted, fuck them.
They really didn't and to say otherwise is just trying to rewrite history. I was in my late teens when Microsoft enter the game and there was never this sense from gamers that they were a morally corrupt company.
Peoples issues with Google are not competition, which is what people were upset with Microsoft because they wanted to create an all in one box to take over the living room.
Idk OP you're kinda underselling how evil Google is as an American tech giant by shoehorning in your hatred of the people's republic of China.
Pretty much.
People here acting like the staff working on Search and Policy are the same ones working on gaming. They've probably never even talked to each other before.
I don't really care because no company is "ethical". Google is not ethical for benefitting China in some ways? what is "ethical" in your eyes might not be like that for me and vice versa. I don't think of "USA" as ethical or better than China in any way. they are producing mass destruction weapons, selling weapons for billions of dollar, waging wars and sending troops to other parts of the world, building military bases everywhere, and probably using companies like Google/Facebook to spy on others even more than any Chinese company.
does this mean I should not buy or play any video game made by an American company?
I don't really know, I don't think so. more often than not, those games are creations of people with real passion, I think of them as something with artistic value that has nothing to do with politics, regardless of who are producing them. that is, until they are used as a tool to serve some purpose.
I don't care about the politics side of video games. if a company made a decision I don't like, I will be vocal about it, but I won't take "sides".
I don't like Google especially, but I don't like the way American companies operate in general, not just Google. for example, the console space never knew a company that was as anti-consumer as much as Microsoft with what they tried to pull with the Xbox One some years ago.
and what about Electronic Arts?
Activision?
Take-Two?
do you think those companies, that turned the video games hobby to a digital casino for young/weak people, are "ethical"?
the companies that won't hesitate to kick out hundreds of people when they are having their best financial performance ever? and acting like they are having a hard time by not swimming into enough billions?
those companies, which are working their staff to death all the time?
do you buy their games and support their practices?
you really should think deep before taking a stance and talking about ethics.
we will see what will happen, I guess.
does this mean I should not buy or play any video game made by an American company?
I don't really know, I don't think so. more often than not, those games are creations of people with real passion, I think of them as something with artistic value that has nothing to do with politics, regardless of who are producing them. that is, until they are used as a tool to serve some purpose.
I don't care about the politics side of video games. if a company made a decision I don't like, I will be vocal about it, but I won't take "sides".
I don't like Google especially, but I don't like the way American companies operate in general, not just Google. for example, the console space never knew a company that was as anti-consumer as much as Microsoft with what they tried to pull with the Xbox One some years ago.
and what about Electronic Arts?
Activision?
Take-Two?
do you think those companies, that turned the video games hobby to a digital casino for young/weak people, are "ethical"?
the companies that won't hesitate to kick out hundreds of people when they are having their best financial performance ever? and acting like they are having a hard time by not swimming into enough billions?
those companies, which are working their staff to death all the time?
do you buy their games and support their practices?
you really should think deep before taking a stance and talking about ethics.
we will see what will happen, I guess.
OP
OP
Serious question for those who have stated it, why is "shaking up the console market" more important than ethics?
Because a lot of these ethical issues can be applied to the current 3 manufacturers, from the use of minerals from countries in war, to the use of Foxconn factories... To even contributing to drones for the american army in the case of Microsoft it seems.
Why are Google's ethical issues only being brought up because they might be entering the console market?
No, my answer is that if you want to stand on the moral ground, why have such arbitrary limits ?
There's no answer. Every choice a consumer makes is a bit (or a lot) or a compromise. You choose what you feel is the best, others do the same. I think people are getting on your case for your kind of high-horse stance more than anything.