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thebishop

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"...which Microsoft will likely talk about in just a few hours, at its E3 event." There were all these people on this/other threads promising that MS' XCloud announcement was going to drown Stadia.
lol yep. That video aged poorly in a matter of hours. And btw it would be silly to say that Google's main competitor in the gaming space isn't Sony, so if Google is MS' true competition, MS is setting the bar low.

Also, I'm generally on the side that thinks PS Now isn't solid enough to be anyone's primary platform, but it's weird how gaming/tech commentators act like it just doesn't exist. Sony is ahead of the curve in the streaming game, being one of the only actually existing market options. They were unique among the big players in seeing the streaming opportunity early. They need to improve, but right now, they're the only yardstick we have.
 

bdbdbd

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People keep making the claim that developers can choose to use multi-GPU setups; they aren't qualifying that claim, saying it's at some point in the future, etc. They are just outright saying it as if that's some current aspect of Stadia.
...because that's the way Google themselves have presented it.

I don't see anyone here running away with the idea that this means most developers will be clamoring to use multiple GPUs for their games at launch. I doubt many devs would be ready to do more than ensure their games run well on the baseline setup.

The option exists though and they are already beginning to explore it with partners. Given that Stadia is in pre-launch phase, I'd say that's about right as a "current aspect" of Stadia, which will most likely have advanced further by the time of launch.
 

Delusibeta

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Yeah, Xcloud no-showing does mean Stadia has a somewhat open field now. I'd still like to see multiple games announced for Stadia Pro (even if I do recognize Destiny 2 Years 1-3 Edition is a decent get), especially considering Microsoft has gone all-in on Game Pass for a couple years now.
 

The Albatross

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"...which Microsoft will likely talk about in just a few hours, at its E3 event." There were all these people on this/other threads promising that MS' XCloud announcement was going to drown Stadia.
Yeah, I was very eager to hear about XCloud because if it was a Stadia-like service with the games I already own on xbox (like say if my licenses transferred to the MS streaming service), then I'd be on board.

~72 hours later I don't even know what Xcloud is and everything that I read about it ... it sounds like it turns my Xbox into a server and I'm streaming my games locally, which sucks and is not the same thing at all (and... something I think I Can already do...)

There is also so much misinformation about what XCloud actually is. If you google "What Is Xcloud", the top two results completely contradict one another:

Here are the top two result:
https://www.pocket-lint.com/games/news/xbox/147429-what-is-xbox-project-xcloud-cloud-gaming-service-price-release-date-devices
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/9/18656694/microsoft-project-xcloud-game-streaming-price-e3-2019

Result #1, from some site called 'Pocket Lint':

Pocket Lint said:
[Microsoft XCloud] is a streaming service, in that all games will be hosted on remote servers and live gameplay video will be sent to a compatible device over the internet. In return, controller codes are sent in the other direction so, for all intents and purposes, it feels like you are playing a game loaded on the device itself, whether it be a smart TV, PC, tablet or smartphone.
Result #2, from The Verge:

The Verge said:
“Two months ago we connected all Xbox developers to Project xCloud,” says Xbox chief Phil Spencer. Now, the console streaming service will “turn your Xbox One into your own personal and free xCloud server.” According to Microsoft, you’ll be able to stream your entire Xbox One library — including games from Xbox Game Pass — to a variety of devices.
I have never heard of Pocket Lint and I have heard (And trust) the Verge, and they quote Phil Spencer in it, so I guess I trust the Verge... but what the fuck is it? Is it a streaming service ALA Stadia, or is it a service that turn syour Xbox into a dumb server, which I think already exists on Xbox anyway and is free? I streamed Fallout 4 to my old Surface years ago, it sucked and even with a game like Fallout 4 it sucked. PS4 has similar functionality and, yeah, it sucks. Most games are unplayable, the quality sucks.
 
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Delusibeta

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Yeah, I was very eager to hear about XCloud because if it was a Stadia-like service with the games I already own on xbox (like say if my licenses transferred to the MS streaming service), then I'd be on board.

~72 hours later I don't even know what Xcloud is and everything that I read about it ... it sounds like it turns my Xbox into a server and I'm streaming my games locally, which sucks and is not the same thing at all (and... something I think I Can already do...)
So, I think Microsoft completely bungled the messaging here. Xcloud is still a thing, it's still streaming games from Microsoft's servers, it's still coming soon. What they announced was their version of Remote Play. Yes, it's something PS4 has had since launch, yes it's basically an extension of the Xbox One's existing ability to stream to a PC within the same network.

I think the reason that they're conflating the two is that the plan is to use the same app for both Xcloud and Remote Play. I wouldn't be too surprised if the two project share encoding software, as well.
 

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Yeah, I was very eager to hear about XCloud because if it was a Stadia-like service with the games I already own on xbox (like say if my licenses transferred to the MS streaming service), then I'd be on board.

~72 hours later I don't even know what Xcloud is and everything that I read about it ... it sounds like it turns my Xbox into a server and I'm streaming my games locally, which sucks and is not the same thing at all (and... something I think I Can already do...)
I don’t want to buy another console again. With Stadia I potentially have next gen hardware this November a year before both Sony and Microsoft all for under $200 CAD. While the streaming is exciting the above is what I’m most excited for.
 

Dunlop

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I don’t want to buy another console again. With Stadia I potentially have next gen hardware this November a year before both Sony and Microsoft all for under $200 CAD. While the streaming is exciting the above is what I’m most excited for.
In the same boat, I've been buying consoles for decades now and have no interest in investing in a gaming PC. If the initial playability of Stadia is good, I think I will stay with just that and probably xcloud when it is not console dependant
 

The Albatross

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So, I think Microsoft completely bungled the messaging here. Xcloud is still a thing, it's still streaming games from Microsoft's servers, it's still coming soon. What they announced was their version of Remote Play. Yes, it's something PS4 has had since launch, yes it's basically an extension of the Xbox One's existing ability to stream to a PC within the same network.

I think the reason that they're conflating the two is that the plan is to use the same app for both Xcloud and Remote Play. I wouldn't be too surprised if the two project share encoding software, as well.
Got it.

YEah, Phil Spencer does a good job explaining that there's two distinct things here from E3... at first, but then even he muddies it up:


What Phil says starts clear, but then he kinda muddies it. At first, it sounds clear, with two distinct things:

1) Project XCloud: Stadia-like game streaming, but no features, date, price, etc., have been announced. Availability, price, games, etc: TBA.

2) Xbox Console Streaming: Turning your Xbox into a server (what we already kinda have today). Full feature coming in October 2019.

BUT THEN...

He kinda muddles it and says "Our hybrid streaming cloud," which is like "Wtf?" And he makes it sound like XCloud is coming in October, but ... it's not really clear, is he talking about console streaming or what...

My ideal service would be one where I can play games on my Xbox locally, and then jump off my Xbox and pick up streaming that game from a cloud instance of it running on any device. Not streamed from my Xbox over my network, but streamed from an actual data center on actual real hardware, not the 5+ year old computer in my xbox pretending to be a server. If Xbox + Xcloud does that, then I'm fucking on-board. Otherwise, I'd probably opt for something like Stadia. My Project Stream experience was really really good, and my Xbox streaming experience (on Surface tablet, as well as PS4 streaming) was really, really bad, so it makes a big difference for me.
 

Delusibeta

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He kinda muddles it and says "Our hybrid streaming cloud," which is like "Wtf?" And he makes it sound like XCloud is coming in October, but ... it's not really clear, is he talking about console streaming or what...

My ideal service would be one where I can play games on my Xbox locally, and then jump off my Xbox and pick up streaming that game from a cloud instance of it running on any device. Not streamed from my Xbox over my network, but streamed from an actual data center on actual real hardware, not the 5+ year old computer in my xbox pretending to be a server. If Xbox + Xcloud does that, then I'm fucking on-board. Otherwise, I'd probably opt for something like Stadia. My Project Stream experience was really really good, and my Xbox streaming experience (on Surface tablet, as well as PS4 streaming) was really, really bad, so it makes a big difference for me.
So, "hybrid streaming cloud" is probably a reference to "hybrid clouds", which is basically when you mix local onsite hardware (in this case, your Xbox One) with remote cloud servers (i.e. Xcloud).

I do think the plan for Xcloud is for it to be constantly cross-saving with the local Xbox One. So, while it won't be the exact same session as the local version, your progress will definitely be shared between the two. That's one area where Stadia definitely has the advantage, since 100% of the rendering is done on Google's end, sharing game states between devices is far easier.
 

Valtor

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So, what's everyone's thoughts around UPlay+ being available on it? I could definitely see myself trying that out with Stadia Base, connecting an old laptop to my TV, and having access to a Ubisoft's Netflix of games through Stadia... It's pretty limitative, as you only have access to that, but you get a whole lot of games for $15/month without a need for a PC, and you can upgrade to $25/month for 4k/HDR.

I don't feel like the Pro deal is interesting to me right now, particularly because e have no real sense of what's going on in terms of "free" games they're going to give, but that feels like a limited scope 2020 alternative, and if anything could convince them to add a $20/month (total) subscription to get a big cross-publisher library of games included in the service.
 

Dunlop

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So, what's everyone's thoughts around UPlay+ being available on it? I could definitely see myself trying that out with Stadia Base, connecting an old laptop to my TV, and having access to a Ubisoft's Netflix of games through Stadia... It's pretty limitative, as you only have access to that, but you get a whole lot of games for $15/month without a need for a PC, and you can upgrade to $25/month for 4k/HDR.

I don't feel like the Pro deal is interesting to me right now, particularly because e have no real sense of what's going on in terms of "free" games they're going to give, but that feels like a limited scope 2020 alternative, and if anything could convince them to add a $20/month (total) subscription to get a big cross-publisher library of games included in the service.
I'm sub to it when I get my founders edition to try it out. I'm just curious how many games will have been ported over to Stadia.. I'm doubting it will be near 100 lol
 

riverfr0zen

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Accidental post (this new forum software is super janky on Firefox mobile).

But here's id talking about porting Doom to Stadia and its performance:
Nice, that's a pretty informative talk.

Where I live I pay $79.99 CAD for 300 up 15 down and unlimited data. I’m in a mid sized city. Rurally this will not work but in the major centres I could see this working as Canadians seem to be receptive to streaming in general and are heavy users of the internet in general. Just reading that 38% have unlimited data and the average speeds are 20.5 dl and a up. For 1080 basic I think there is a chance for this to catch on.
Thanks. I may go/move to Canada at some point in the future, so good to know. One keeps hearing how bad Canadian Internet is, but this doesn't sound so terrible.

So, what's everyone's thoughts around UPlay+ being available on it? I could definitely see myself trying that out with Stadia Base, connecting an old laptop to my TV, and having access to a Ubisoft's Netflix of games through Stadia... It's pretty limitative, as you only have access to that, but you get a whole lot of games for $15/month without a need for a PC, and you can upgrade to $25/month for 4k/HDR.

I don't feel like the Pro deal is interesting to me right now, particularly because e have no real sense of what's going on in terms of "free" games they're going to give, but that feels like a limited scope 2020 alternative, and if anything could convince them to add a $20/month (total) subscription to get a big cross-publisher library of games included in the service.
Have mixed feelings. It's nice that it's an option, but on the other hand it's pretty steep and I'd prefer more a'la carte style options (similar to how I dislike having to sub to entire cable networks with channels I don't care about). I'd appreciate a couple more plan options on Stadia from companies like Ubi; maybe a cheaper version for 2-3 games at a time, since I don't play all their franchises (AC, Beyond Good and Evil, that Mario/Rabbids game). Still it's not terrible to pay $25 for a couple of months to play the games when they come out, and then just unsub.
 

Dreamwriter

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So, what's everyone's thoughts around UPlay+ being available on it?
Not too thrilled to be honest. I think it'll lower the perceived value of games further, and make people complain more loudly about having to pay $50 for a non-Ubisoft game on Stadia. It'll lessen the view of Stadia as a full, alternate game console and make people think of it more like a cheap game streaming subscription service, a Netflix rather than an Xbox Two/PS5 competitor.
 

riotous

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Not too thrilled to be honest. I think it'll lower the perceived value of games further, and make people complain more loudly about having to pay $50 for a non-Ubisoft game on Stadia. It'll lessen the view of Stadia as a full, alternate game console and make people think of it more like a cheap game streaming subscription service, a Netflix rather than an Xbox Two/PS5 competitor.
But Uplay+ is coming to all consoles as well.. don't see how your logic only applies to Stadia.
 

Razgriz417

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So is it true that Stadia and PC games will have 2 separate player bases? Saw some tweets from Scheirer and Bungie devs saying cross play is something they'll look into in the future and it implied Stadia will have its own player base

Also, even though I've preordered and am a proponent of Stadia, man was their rep's segment on GB nite show hard to watch. Nothing but buzzwords with no real answers to questions about bandwidth concerns and when we will be seeing games that really take advantage of the Stadia platform
 

thebishop

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So is it true that Stadia and PC games will have 2 separate player bases? Saw some tweets from Scheirer and Bungie devs saying cross play is something they'll look into in the future and it implied Stadia will have its own player base

Also, even though I've preordered and am a proponent of Stadia, man was their rep's segment on GB nite show hard to watch. Nothing but buzzwords with no real answers to questions about bandwidth concerns and when we will be seeing games that really take advantage of the Stadia platform
It's going to depend on the game. Stadia supports cross play, so there's no reason Stadia players can't connect with PC and consoles. However, Google is promoting the possibilities of players connecting with near-0 latency on the data center side. So those benefits will probably not work with cross-play.
 

Dunlop

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Thanks. I may go/move to Canada at some point in the future, so good to know. One keeps hearing how bad Canadian Internet is, but this doesn't sound so terrible.
Thankfully datacaps became a political issue years back so pretty much all of the carriers have unlimited tiers. Prices are higher because it is run by 3 incumbents that have almost no oversight. While we have a lot of iisp's (independant) they do not have access to fiber speeds and installations are still run by the incumbents.

So it is good...but there are a lot of things to improve

Personally I have 1gbps unlimited with basic cable for $80 (ironically if I got rid of the cable my overall bill would be higher)
 

thebishop

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Just give it to me now!

If Google keeps this up, Stadia will be my main way to play 3rd party games.

So many people are saying that Stadia is just for casual/nongamers. I definitely think it will be huge for those people. But consider the real possibility that latency is not noticeable, and the data center computing power exceeds next-gen consoles. To all but the highest-rolling PC players, this could be the biggest leap in gaming horsepower since SNES -> N64. And unlike PC development, where high-end graphics reduce your audience, with Stadia everyone will have access to the same performance level.
 

Razgriz417

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It's going to depend on the game. Stadia supports cross play, so there's no reason Stadia players can't connect with PC and consoles. However, Google is promoting the possibilities of players connecting with near-0 latency on the data center side. So those benefits will probably not work with cross-play.
Yeah I understand that, for some reason I just under the impression that Stadia essentially is a pc so they would all share the same playerbase as PC out of the box. Now knowing it isn't may make it so that multiplayer games like destiny 2 at Stadia's launch may have some slim populations until the free version comes out in 2020.
 

thebishop

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Yeah I understand that, for some reason I just under the impression that Stadia essentially is a pc so they would all share the same playerbase as PC out of the box. Now knowing it isn't may make it so that multiplayer games like destiny 2 at Stadia's launch may have some slim populations until the free version comes out in 2020.
Stadia games will be a separate build from the WindowsPC version of a game, so that's not a guarantee. But it should be trivial to have Stadia and PC playing together for most games. I think that will be the most common outcome for the next year or two. As cross-play becomes more the standard, we'll probably see no separation between xbox+ps+pc+stadia. Later there will likely be games designed around Stadia's server architecture that aren't cross play. But those games will probably be Stadia exclusive anyway.
 
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Hm, that's quite expensive unless they constantly upgrade the specs which won't happen.
Let's say you buy a Xbox2/PS5 for 400-500$ and play it 4-5 years.
4 years of Stadia are almost 500$ + controller with consoles still offering the better experience and you can sell them for at least 100$.
Nah son, don't see how I'm winning with this.
 

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Hm, that's quite expensive unless they constantly upgrade the specs which won't happen.
Let's say you buy a Xbox2/PS5 for 400-500$ and play it 4-5 years.
4 years of Stadia are almost 500$ + controller with consoles still offering the better experience and you can sell them for at least 100$.
Nah son, don't see how I'm winning with this.
you "win" by being able to play games on a pc, tablet, mobile phone and TV without having to double dip
 
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you "win" by being able to play games on a pc, tablet, mobile phone and TV without having to double dip
Fair enough, so ok, I guess I'm just too old-school, and this apparently isn't for me. I have my PC and console hooked to my TV, I'm not a huge traveller and I have no interest or desire in playing an immersive AAA game on a tablet or my phone.
 

MrFarenheit

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Hm, that's quite expensive unless they constantly upgrade the specs which won't happen.
Let's say you buy a Xbox2/PS5 for 400-500$ and play it 4-5 years.
4 years of Stadia are almost 500$ + controller with consoles still offering the better experience and you can sell them for at least 100$.
Nah son, don't see how I'm winning with this.
So In your price for PS5/Scarlet are you factoring in multiplayer cost? Also remember you do not have to pay for stadia. For 1080p there is no fee.
 

Cyclonesweep

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My biggest concern is still paying full price for games that I cannot in any way shape or form play without a good internet connection.

Being able to play on your phone is great if you have unlimited data (rare in canada or super expensive) or are connected to good wifi.

Especially single player games.
 

EVIL

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Fair enough, so ok, I guess I'm just too old-school, and this apparently isn't for me. I have my PC and console hooked to my TV, I'm not a huge traveller and I have no interest or desire in playing an immersive AAA game on a tablet or my phone.
yeah, and that is alright! that's the thing, stadia isn't for most of us who already have consoles in their living room and a capable PC.
 

Kinn

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Apologies if this has been answered but I only see the link to the American store to buy the controller. Is there a link to the UK store for the controller only? Thanks.
 

Vagabond

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I love the XOne-like controller but I also have a gaming PC. Even though it's aging (OCd 1070GTX) it still >60fps' a lot of games on High.

If they announced some kind of low latency in-home-streaming then they've sold me three of these.
 

Dunlop

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Hm, that's quite expensive unless they constantly upgrade the specs which won't happen.
Let's say you buy a Xbox2/PS5 for 400-500$ and play it 4-5 years.
4 years of Stadia are almost 500$ + controller with consoles still offering the better experience and you can sell them for at least 100$.
Nah son, don't see how I'm winning with this.
Why when these examples are provided:
- Fact that you can play Stadia for free is not mentioned
- Cost of XBL or PSN is never factored in?
 

harz-marz

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Does the Chromecast Ultra have an ethernet port?

Oh and will I be able to use this on my Nvidia Shield TV from day one or only via the Chromecast provided?
 

Dunlop

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Does the Chromecast Ultra have an ethernet port?

Oh and will I be able to use this on my Nvidia Shield TV from day one or only via the Chromecast provided?
The ultra had an Ethernet port (on the power and adapter)

If you purchase the founder kit it seems you will be able to use other devices. This was on my email

Look out for your bundle in the mail. Unbox Stadia Founder’s Edition and start playing games on your TV and across laptops, desktops, and Pixel 3 and 3a
 
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Stadia controller now available for pre-order.

Previously you were only able to pre-order the controller if you pre-ordered the founders edition.

Keep in mind:

You won’t be able to play Stadia right away just by purchasing the Stadia Controller. Only purchase the Stadia Controller on its own if you already have access to Stadia through Founder’s Edition and are looking for a second controller, or if you have access through a Buddy Pass and want to use the Stadia Controller.
 

Tremorah

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So in terms of how much data youre using is streaming a 1080/60 game the same as watching a 1080 video with good bitrate?
 

johncelery

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Sorry if this has been asked before, but does the current pricing model and performance mean that I can essentially play Cyberpunk 2077 on my TV at high level PC settings for only the price of the game and the controller?

The TVis an oldish 1080 samsung, I already have a chromecast ultra and average around 50gb download speed.

I don't really see a downside to this, assuming the performance is good. I'd rather not play this game on my base ps4, and won't be building a PC anytime soon.
 

Gundato

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Sorry if this has been asked before, but does the current pricing model and performance mean that I can essentially play Cyberpunk 2077 on my TV at high level PC settings for only the price of the game and the controller?

The TVis an oldish 1080 samsung, I already have a chromecast ultra and average around 50gb download speed.

I don't really see a downside to this, assuming the performance is good. I'd rather not play this game on my base ps4, and won't be building a PC anytime soon.
The very nature of this is very much "your mileage may vary".

But during the beta I played AssOdd on my 1440 monitor and it looked like a console game. There were a few hiccups where things looked like when youtube is chugging and switches you to low (I wonder why?) but it was very playable and an okay experience

I don't see CDPR making a twitch shooter that needs fast reflexes so, assuming your connection is stable, it should be fine?
 

johncelery

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The very nature of this is very much "your mileage may vary".

But during the beta I played AssOdd on my 1440 monitor and it looked like a console game. There were a few hiccups where things looked like when youtube is chugging and switches you to low (I wonder why?) but it was very playable and an okay experience

I don't see CDPR making a twitch shooter that needs fast reflexes so, assuming your connection is stable, it should be fine?
Thanks for the response. I guess I'll just wait to see where things stand when it releases in terms of Stadia performance vs base ps4. I'm confident in the quality of my internet, but I suppose it remains to be seen what "version" of the game will be available through Stadia, and how the current gen consoles will compare.
 

ClarkusDarkus

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So In your price for PS5/Scarlet are you factoring in multiplayer cost? Also remember you do not have to pay for stadia. For 1080p there is no fee.
But for us that account shared this gen( saving hundreds ) we only needed 1 sub between 2 accounts, We lose all of that and native 4K to switch, So the money thing is cancelled out when you own the console and games, And kinda don't with Stadia. Even going the free 1080p route you're still paying £50 a game.

All well and good though and like others have said, Streaming to a laptop and all that, Even tho remote play already does that for ps4.