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Google Stadia Pro (4K/60, 5.1 surround) $9.99 a month. Stadia Base (1080/60) requires no subscription.
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wow so expectations have to be greatly reduced in terms of competing with the upcoming consoles given the RDR2 performance
competing with xcloud + game pass will be difficult if they dont use the same subscription model
competing with xcloud + game pass will be difficult if they dont use the same subscription model
Dark1x and Dictator are both often active here, but Richard is not to my knowledge. They both live in a different country to Richard so I'm not sure that they can shine any light on this.More from DF:
MAN I was hoping at least Digital Foundry would run gcp ping or whatever.
How can they talk about latency and just not tell us about what latency their connection has to Google's servers?
Do any of the DF guys post here?
Several do, but not that author as far as I am aware.More from DF:
MAN I was hoping at least Digital Foundry would run gcp ping or whatever.
How can they talk about latency and just not tell us about what latency their connection has to Google's servers?
Do any of the DF guys post here?
They didn't promise that, and they told us how many TF's the graphics card has and what roughly the CPU was.
Anyone could look at that and guess we were getting close to a Vega 56's performance with probably a mid-range CPU.
The results are... as expected, if you paid any attention to that and looked up RDR2 perf analysis on Vega 56.
There was a lot of dreaming of multiple GPU setups etc but there's not a lot of business sense in that so I can't say I'm too surprised. But somewhere there was still that lingering doubt that, somehow, they pulled off something amazing, even if they were just moneyhatting the whole thing
But this is honestly kind of surprising:
Destiny 2 at 1080p medium settings?
WTF?
This plus RDR2 @ 1440p lead me to believe Vega 56 is an over-guess.. maybe a severely underclocked Vega 56? Or is the CPU causing a bottleneck?
Destiny 2 at 1080p medium settings?
WTF?
This plus RDR2 @ 1440p lead me to believe Vega 56 is an over-guess.. maybe a severely underclocked Vega 56? Or is the CPU causing a bottleneck?
We were also told that we could expect more from the hardware than on a Windows 10 PC due to it being a fixed spec.
And that 'mid range' CPU compares very favorably against the jaguar cores. There's a reason it's doubling framerate in Destiny and Shadow of the Tomb raider compared to base consoles.
Obviously this Stadia version of RDR2 hasn't had much optimization specifically targeted at the platform and I wasn't expecting it would, but for a game that's already infamous for not being the responsive, yes, I thought they would do what they could to hit 60 fps. I'm surprised Google didn't send in a bunch of engineers to help make it happen, given how high profile that launch is.
That's almost kicking them when they're down... why?! Is Destiny 2 that difficult to run? I've never really had any interest in the game
xcloud game pass puts an end to that. google have to make a service that can compete financially.
As someone who got this for Destiny, this is pretty shitty news lol.
I've said this from the beginning. A full cloud service has benefits over a non-cloud service, but they need GAMES. Not already existing games, *new* games that couldn't even exist without that cloud structure. That's the major edge they have, and they should've started on that years ago.
Given all that I've said about latency in RDR2, I should admit, that even at 60 fps on PC the control lag is way too high for me to ever want to play. So that title was never going to be for me anyway.
And people have been overstating this advantage too.. had an argument a few pages ago about this.
Game devs have had Stadia level hardware available to them for a couple of years. The 11+ TF 1080TI came out in March of 2017. They have not completely ignored that level of hardware, any PC gamer can tell you that.
Yeah I'm just talking about looking up the performance of games on roughly what GPU Stadia is running. You'll have to look to PC Game reviews for that, and they tend to use top of the line PC CPUs FAR beyond Jaguar cores, and probably beyond what is in Stadia logically (they aren't dedicating $1000+ CPUs to each instance.)
Well don't know what to think. Shockingly the real issues do not seem to be with streaming but instead the hardware on googles end
Properly optimized, (and that's key here because I don't think any of these multiplat games have been optimized much beyond their PC ports) you should only need a CPU ballpark twice as capable as what's in the PS4 to hit 60 fps in a game that's 30 fps on consoles. For something like Stadia, a high end CPU would be a bit of a waste on multiplatform games.
And i5 6600K can handle RDR2's CPU code at 60+ fps for most of the game (dropping below 60 in the kind of situations where a PS4 drops below 30).
Yeah, I figured they were going to run RD2 at 30, but not maxing out Destiny? SMH.
Stadia Launch Games Pricing
Assassin's Creed Odyssey - $59.99 $30.00 Stadia Pro Deal
Gylt - $29.99
Just Dance 2020 - $49.99
Kine - $19.99
Mortal Kombat 11 - $59.99 $41.99 Stadia Pro Deal
Red Dead Redemption 2 - Launch Edition - $59.99
Samurai Showdown - $59.99
Thumper - $19.99
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - $59.99
Rise of the Tomb Raider - $29.99
Tomb Raider 2013 - $19.99 $10.00 Stadia Pro Deal
Final Fantasy XV - $39.99 $29.99 Stadia Pro Deal
Special Editions:
Assassin's Creed Odyssey Stadia Ultimate Edition - $119.99 - $60.00 Stadia Pro Deal
Mortal Kombat 11 Premium Edition - $89.99 $62.99 Stadia Pro Deal
Red Dead Redemption 2 Special Edition - $79.99
Red Dead Redemption 2 Ultimate Edition - $99.99
Ugh. I mean, I get it, it's normal when publishers release on a new platform to just pretend it's not a game that hasn't been out for a while but it's still annoying to see full price like that for RDR2, even for Pro's. The Odyssey (sale) pricing is much better, pretty much what the game goes on sale for regularly.
According to Google's Speedtest I got 87Mbps (supposed to be 200, but I am not wired right now) and got a 'Great'. I live about 300km from their Data Center but the service isn't available in my country yet, I guess the ping was what kept me in the Great but not Excellent connection status.
And the reviews are showing what I was expecting, specially with the 'free' game Destiny 2: they will keep the res and details down to save money. There is no way that they will give true 4k with everything maxed out for 'free' games.
And the reviews are showing what I was expecting, specially with the 'free' game Destiny 2: they will keep the res and details down to save money. There is no way that they will give true 4k with everything maxed out for 'free' games.
This, I expected the reviews as Google has been so quiet they are obviously scrambling.. But to have employees at Bungie for 6 months and the final product is 1080p at mid settings is not acceptable
But there almost has to be something going on besides lack of "optimizations" (everyone's favorite word to throw around that honestly, IMO, is way exagerated.)
Maybe Vulkan just isn't ready for prime time? (in that case, sure, maybe optimizations at that level can be made)
Because these results aren't matching what we are seeing with anything near Vega-56 on PC.
Maybe they have to target a locked framerate to keep the latency consistent? I'm not sure. On paper at least it should be totally doable given the hardware, so I'm not sure what else to pin it down on.
Wow so much deception with the 10.7 TFlop GPU against the Xbox X 6 in the presentation when the reality is this:
For those that care, the gamespot impressions video said that the phone grip that comes with the special founders edition controller scratches it.
Pcgamer gave it a good one, basically it just works but needs more features which will happen with updates overtime
Don't worry. They are playing on a MAC. It doesn't have native support for 4K yet. You'll only get native 4k using the Chromecast ultra at launch.
1080p upscaled to 4k, big difference. I already get it in 4k on my Ps4Pro
Seriously debating whether to cancel.
For me, the main draw was improvements over X1X quality, and that doesn't seem to be happening right now. Maybe later ports will run better, but it's surprising to me that that couldn't even match X1X performance with that hardware.
For me, the main draw was improvements over X1X quality, and that doesn't seem to be happening right now. Maybe later ports will run better, but it's surprising to me that that couldn't even match X1X performance with that hardware.
They literally have a quote from Bungie stating the 4k stream is actually 1080p upscaled.
It doesnt look like that will happen. They had plenty of time to work with Bungie for example and as I quoted above the X is far superior, rendering at 4K native vs 1080 stadia upscaled
In that case they are getting 1080p upscaled to 4K downscale to 1080p stream.
Yeah. Very disappointing.
Edit: Cancelled order. More than happy to revisit if they start to show more promise with future ports, but I'm not rich enough to throw money at Google on the off-chance.
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