I either expect that option for devs to cost a penny or a bump up price wise for users. that extra GPU will not come for free
yeaaah maybe, hahahha
You pay the subscription for a virtual high end console you dont need to pay electricity for and some free games from time to time. Its like leasing a high end console that gets upgraded every few yearsSo the worst has come to pass and now people will be paying a subscription to maintain (high quality) access to games they pay full price for. It literally is OnLive again.
You pay the subscription for a virtual high end console you dont need to pay electricity for and some free games from time to time. Its like leasing a high end console that gets upgraded every few years
edit: I am not sure what you expected them to do honestly. give you access to a big library like netflix for only 10 bucks? it would not pay much for devs.
With the new Destiny pricing scheme that will be introduced (only have to buy the latest update) I actually don't see how it would matter.
You pay the subscription for a virtual high end console you dont need to pay electricity for and some free games from time to time. Its like leasing a high end console that gets upgraded every few years
edit: I am not sure what you expected them to do honestly. give you access to a big library like netflix for only 10 bucks? it would not pay much for devs.
"...which Microsoft will likely talk about in just a few hours, at its E3 event." There were all these people on this/other threads promising that MS' XCloud announcement was going to drown Stadia.
Yeah I preordered Stadia day one but with the caveat that depending on what Microsoft showed I might change my mind...After E3 nothing they showed on stage changed my opinion. Xcloud still seems like an add on to their physical console line up and not its own thing. For me going forward buying a console is not something I want to do and stadia is the only service so far that really seems to be pushing that agenda.
Where I live I pay $79.99 CAD for 300 up 15 down and unlimited data. I'm in a mid sized city. Rurally this will not work but in the major centres I could see this working as Canadians seem to be receptive to streaming in general and are heavy users of the internet in general. Just reading that 38% have unlimited data and the average speeds are 20.5 dl and a up. For 1080 basic I think there is a chance for this to catch on.It feels really nice to have options, doesn't it? For someone who is already not looking to buy any consoles, that the Stadia option exists is meaningful in that, unlike MS or Sony, 'that's all they got' so the incentive for Stadia to really push on the streaming agenda is very high, as you say.
Personally, I'll probably still get the next gen Sony console, but it could be the last one. I'm definitely not upgrading to a new PC just for gaming though. I had thought I would a few months ago, but these developments have just completely destroyed that.
And I think it's fine that MS didn't reveal more about XCloud. I read elsewhere that they were planning to reveal more, but that they must have changed plans last minute. Maybe lessons learned after PS4 vs Xbox reveals. They should do it when ready/confident. I really hope there is a piecemeal option for XCloud so I can just sub to Flight Simulator. Or maybe hope that Stadia gets X-Plane.
MrFarenheit : Just curious, what is your outlook for Stadia/streaming-in-general performance where you are in Canada?
That and the "duty" tax that never seems to go down when our currency is doing well.Where I live I pay $79.99 CAD for 300 up 15 down and unlimited data. I'm in a mid sized city. Rurally this will not work but in the major centres I could see this working as Canadians seem to be receptive to streaming in general and are heavy users of the internet in general. Just reading that 38% have unlimited data and the average speeds are 20.5 dl and a up. For 1080 basic I think there is a chance for this to catch on.
Yes. After paying $700 for Project Scorpio I really think I'm done with the console race as prices in Canada are getting to rich for my blood.That and the "duty" tax that never seems to go down when our currency is doing well.
"...which Microsoft will likely talk about in just a few hours, at its E3 event." There were all these people on this/other threads promising that MS' XCloud announcement was going to drown Stadia.
...because that's the way Google themselves have presented it.People keep making the claim that developers can choose to use multi-GPU setups; they aren't qualifying that claim, saying it's at some point in the future, etc. They are just outright saying it as if that's some current aspect of Stadia.
"...which Microsoft will likely talk about in just a few hours, at its E3 event." There were all these people on this/other threads promising that MS' XCloud announcement was going to drown Stadia.
Pocket Lint said:[Microsoft XCloud] is a streaming service, in that all games will be hosted on remote servers and live gameplay video will be sent to a compatible device over the internet. In return, controller codes are sent in the other direction so, for all intents and purposes, it feels like you are playing a game loaded on the device itself, whether it be a smart TV, PC, tablet or smartphone.
The Verge said:"Two months ago we connected all Xbox developers to Project xCloud," says Xbox chief Phil Spencer. Now, the console streaming service will "turn your Xbox One into your own personal and free xCloud server." According to Microsoft, you'll be able to stream your entire Xbox One library — including games from Xbox Game Pass — to a variety of devices.
So, I think Microsoft completely bungled the messaging here. Xcloud is still a thing, it's still streaming games from Microsoft's servers, it's still coming soon. What they announced was their version of Remote Play. Yes, it's something PS4 has had since launch, yes it's basically an extension of the Xbox One's existing ability to stream to a PC within the same network.Yeah, I was very eager to hear about XCloud because if it was a Stadia-like service with the games I already own on xbox (like say if my licenses transferred to the MS streaming service), then I'd be on board.
~72 hours later I don't even know what Xcloud is and everything that I read about it ... it sounds like it turns my Xbox into a server and I'm streaming my games locally, which sucks and is not the same thing at all (and... something I think I Can already do...)
Yeah, I was very eager to hear about XCloud because if it was a Stadia-like service with the games I already own on xbox (like say if my licenses transferred to the MS streaming service), then I'd be on board.
~72 hours later I don't even know what Xcloud is and everything that I read about it ... it sounds like it turns my Xbox into a server and I'm streaming my games locally, which sucks and is not the same thing at all (and... something I think I Can already do...)
In the same boat, I've been buying consoles for decades now and have no interest in investing in a gaming PC. If the initial playability of Stadia is good, I think I will stay with just that and probably xcloud when it is not console dependantI
I don't want to buy another console again. With Stadia I potentially have next gen hardware this November a year before both Sony and Microsoft all for under $200 CAD. While the streaming is exciting the above is what I'm most excited for.
So, I think Microsoft completely bungled the messaging here. Xcloud is still a thing, it's still streaming games from Microsoft's servers, it's still coming soon. What they announced was their version of Remote Play. Yes, it's something PS4 has had since launch, yes it's basically an extension of the Xbox One's existing ability to stream to a PC within the same network.
I think the reason that they're conflating the two is that the plan is to use the same app for both Xcloud and Remote Play. I wouldn't be too surprised if the two project share encoding software, as well.
So, "hybrid streaming cloud" is probably a reference to "hybrid clouds", which is basically when you mix local onsite hardware (in this case, your Xbox One) with remote cloud servers (i.e. Xcloud).He kinda muddles it and says "Our hybrid streaming cloud," which is like "Wtf?" And he makes it sound like XCloud is coming in October, but ... it's not really clear, is he talking about console streaming or what...
My ideal service would be one where I can play games on my Xbox locally, and then jump off my Xbox and pick up streaming that game from a cloud instance of it running on any device. Not streamed from my Xbox over my network, but streamed from an actual data center on actual real hardware, not the 5+ year old computer in my xbox pretending to be a server. If Xbox + Xcloud does that, then I'm fucking on-board. Otherwise, I'd probably opt for something like Stadia. My Project Stream experience was really really good, and my Xbox streaming experience (on Surface tablet, as well as PS4 streaming) was really, really bad, so it makes a big difference for me.
I'm sub to it when I get my founders edition to try it out. I'm just curious how many games will have been ported over to Stadia.. I'm doubting it will be near 100 lolSo, what's everyone's thoughts around UPlay+ being available on it? I could definitely see myself trying that out with Stadia Base, connecting an old laptop to my TV, and having access to a Ubisoft's Netflix of games through Stadia... It's pretty limitative, as you only have access to that, but you get a whole lot of games for $15/month without a need for a PC, and you can upgrade to $25/month for 4k/HDR.
I don't feel like the Pro deal is interesting to me right now, particularly because e have no real sense of what's going on in terms of "free" games they're going to give, but that feels like a limited scope 2020 alternative, and if anything could convince them to add a $20/month (total) subscription to get a big cross-publisher library of games included in the service.
Accidental post (this new forum software is super janky on Firefox mobile).
But here's id talking about porting Doom to Stadia and its performance:
Where I live I pay $79.99 CAD for 300 up 15 down and unlimited data. I'm in a mid sized city. Rurally this will not work but in the major centres I could see this working as Canadians seem to be receptive to streaming in general and are heavy users of the internet in general. Just reading that 38% have unlimited data and the average speeds are 20.5 dl and a up. For 1080 basic I think there is a chance for this to catch on.
So, what's everyone's thoughts around UPlay+ being available on it? I could definitely see myself trying that out with Stadia Base, connecting an old laptop to my TV, and having access to a Ubisoft's Netflix of games through Stadia... It's pretty limitative, as you only have access to that, but you get a whole lot of games for $15/month without a need for a PC, and you can upgrade to $25/month for 4k/HDR.
I don't feel like the Pro deal is interesting to me right now, particularly because e have no real sense of what's going on in terms of "free" games they're going to give, but that feels like a limited scope 2020 alternative, and if anything could convince them to add a $20/month (total) subscription to get a big cross-publisher library of games included in the service.
Not too thrilled to be honest. I think it'll lower the perceived value of games further, and make people complain more loudly about having to pay $50 for a non-Ubisoft game on Stadia. It'll lessen the view of Stadia as a full, alternate game console and make people think of it more like a cheap game streaming subscription service, a Netflix rather than an Xbox Two/PS5 competitor.So, what's everyone's thoughts around UPlay+ being available on it?
But Uplay+ is coming to all consoles as well.. don't see how your logic only applies to Stadia.Not too thrilled to be honest. I think it'll lower the perceived value of games further, and make people complain more loudly about having to pay $50 for a non-Ubisoft game on Stadia. It'll lessen the view of Stadia as a full, alternate game console and make people think of it more like a cheap game streaming subscription service, a Netflix rather than an Xbox Two/PS5 competitor.
But Uplay+ is coming to all consoles as well.. don't see how your logic only applies to Stadia.
It's not, only PC and Stadia.But Uplay+ is coming to all consoles as well.. don't see how your logic only applies to Stadia.
So is it true that Stadia and PC games will have 2 separate player bases? Saw some tweets from Scheirer and Bungie devs saying cross play is something they'll look into in the future and it implied Stadia will have its own player base
Also, even though I've preordered and am a proponent of Stadia, man was their rep's segment on GB nite show hard to watch. Nothing but buzzwords with no real answers to questions about bandwidth concerns and when we will be seeing games that really take advantage of the Stadia platform
Sorry; my bad.
Sorry; my bad.
Still same comment applies; does UPlay+ devalue all of PC Gaming?
Does Gamepass?
Thanks. I may go/move to Canada at some point in the future, so good to know. One keeps hearing how bad Canadian Internet is, but this doesn't sound so terrible.
Yeah I understand that, for some reason I just under the impression that Stadia essentially is a pc so they would all share the same playerbase as PC out of the box. Now knowing it isn't may make it so that multiplayer games like destiny 2 at Stadia's launch may have some slim populations until the free version comes out in 2020.It's going to depend on the game. Stadia supports cross play, so there's no reason Stadia players can't connect with PC and consoles. However, Google is promoting the possibilities of players connecting with near-0 latency on the data center side. So those benefits will probably not work with cross-play.
Yeah I understand that, for some reason I just under the impression that Stadia essentially is a pc so they would all share the same playerbase as PC out of the box. Now knowing it isn't may make it so that multiplayer games like destiny 2 at Stadia's launch may have some slim populations until the free version comes out in 2020.
you "win" by being able to play games on a pc, tablet, mobile phone and TV without having to double dipHm, that's quite expensive unless they constantly upgrade the specs which won't happen.
Let's say you buy a Xbox2/PS5 for 400-500$ and play it 4-5 years.
4 years of Stadia are almost 500$ + controller with consoles still offering the better experience and you can sell them for at least 100$.
Nah son, don't see how I'm winning with this.
Fair enough, so ok, I guess I'm just too old-school, and this apparently isn't for me. I have my PC and console hooked to my TV, I'm not a huge traveller and I have no interest or desire in playing an immersive AAA game on a tablet or my phone.you "win" by being able to play games on a pc, tablet, mobile phone and TV without having to double dip
Hm, that's quite expensive unless they constantly upgrade the specs which won't happen.
Let's say you buy a Xbox2/PS5 for 400-500$ and play it 4-5 years.
4 years of Stadia are almost 500$ + controller with consoles still offering the better experience and you can sell them for at least 100$.
Nah son, don't see how I'm winning with this.
Yes sorry, forgot about that...you've never seen me, shhhhSo In your price for PS5/Scarlet are you factoring in multiplayer cost? Also remember you do not have to pay for stadia. For 1080p there is no fee.